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Cin is on break and it's gonna be like that for ''awhile''
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Potential for "6-B" High tiers of One Piece
- Thread starter CinCameron20
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Well Cin's most updated calc from Ch. 908 has Black Knight solidly at baseline 6-B, meaning the "likely" stuff wouldn't even be needed and everyone that scales to Dressrosa G2 Luffy would be straight 6-B.
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HST is moving on up I see
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Yeah but we need him to discuss the scaling and what not. I can message him but I'm not sure when he'll be able to respond.
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Bump
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I guess since this is kinda relevant https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KinkiestSins/Whitebeards_Quakes#comm-1978482
Whitebeard was recently calced at high 6-B unfortunately the original poster isn't here anymore so should this be put in a new blog or just as the comment in the evaluation thread?
Whitebeard was recently calced at high 6-B unfortunately the original poster isn't here anymore so should this be put in a new blog or just as the comment in the evaluation thread?
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In the long term, there should probably be another thread made since Cin os no longer here.
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IMO the whole scaling is kinda flawed in the assumption that the Black Knight's durability is equal to that of the Birdcage. Using the same strings isn't enough to say the AP/durability of the Birdcage is equal to every other usage of Doflamingo's strings otherwise we'd have cases like Smoker being hit by 6-B strings.
I think the nigh-invulnerability of the Birdcage is a special feature of it alone, and that the Black Knight (who actually has a few durability antifeats) is not comparable. (I'm not saying the Birdcage is invincible, I'm saying it's by far the most durable example of Doflamingo's strings; it took thousands of people including an Admiral to even slow it down).
I think these antifeats have just been brushed aside in favor of bumping base Luffy up to a higher tier than he should be.
I think the nigh-invulnerability of the Birdcage is a special feature of it alone, and that the Black Knight (who actually has a few durability antifeats) is not comparable. (I'm not saying the Birdcage is invincible, I'm saying it's by far the most durable example of Doflamingo's strings; it took thousands of people including an Admiral to even slow it down).
I think these antifeats have just been brushed aside in favor of bumping base Luffy up to a higher tier than he should be.
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Black Knight is nowhere near the durability of Bird Cage.
Here we have Abdullah and Jeet, two bounty hunters who are easily crushed by Bellamy the Hyena (himself easily annihilated by Luffy in base form ) literally casually rip a Black Knight string clone to shreds with non-Haki imbued weapons. So if we want to argue the Black Knight is the cause for Luffy's scaling, we get circular scaling wherein people provably weaker than Luffy now scale to being on Luffy's level regardless of being weaker than a guy whom Luffy OHKO.
Based on factual evidence, the calc in question for Black Knight is untrue and should be dismissed as such.
Here we have Abdullah and Jeet, two bounty hunters who are easily crushed by Bellamy the Hyena (himself easily annihilated by Luffy in base form ) literally casually rip a Black Knight string clone to shreds with non-Haki imbued weapons. So if we want to argue the Black Knight is the cause for Luffy's scaling, we get circular scaling wherein people provably weaker than Luffy now scale to being on Luffy's level regardless of being weaker than a guy whom Luffy OHKO.
Based on factual evidence, the calc in question for Black Knight is untrue and should be dismissed as such.
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You could also argue the black knight is just a coiled mass of strings therefore making it vulnerable to damage since hitting it would uncoil them dispelling black knight there is also no evidence to disprove that when it was cut it was not simply dispelled or separated preemptively to avoid the hit similar to crocodile or aokiji in marineford im not saying its as tough but it is by no stretch much weaker if at all. Whats harder to break a taught string or a a ball of yarn?
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>there is also no evidence to disprove that when it was cut it was not simply dispelled or separated preemptively to avoid the hit
There's no evidence whatsoever to posit such a claim; it is not upon any observer to dispel such a notion since it has no defensible basis and no reason exists to even believe nor engage such grounds of argument, truthfully. To argue this would be as absurd as trying to claim, for example, that there exists no evidence that the ice continent Chinjao split didn't simply move out of the way of his headbutt thereby nullifying his feat.
It's just a preposterous form of argumentation that would require succinct proof to even begin arguing as it is not falsifiable within the constraints given.
> im not saying its as tough but it is by no stretch much weaker if at all
I would very much so enjoy seeing any evidence or proof of this claim.
There's no evidence whatsoever to posit such a claim; it is not upon any observer to dispel such a notion since it has no defensible basis and no reason exists to even believe nor engage such grounds of argument, truthfully. To argue this would be as absurd as trying to claim, for example, that there exists no evidence that the ice continent Chinjao split didn't simply move out of the way of his headbutt thereby nullifying his feat.
It's just a preposterous form of argumentation that would require succinct proof to even begin arguing as it is not falsifiable within the constraints given.
> im not saying its as tough but it is by no stretch much weaker if at all
I would very much so enjoy seeing any evidence or proof of this claim.
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Xulrev, don't forget the head of the Black Knight being easily cut off too.
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only trying to point out that the clone is essentiall a neat coiled pile of strings being held together by doffys concentration and to an extent we are unaware of at that. not trying to refute you Xul nor am I picking a fight here. think of it like a puppet a good enough distraction or surprise attack could render any of doffys strings to weak normal strings after all the birdcage stopps if hes knocked out as well
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If it will help, I'll make a fresh revision thread at a later date with new calcs and feats to explain how the scaling of the series can be looked at differently. Because right now a lot of the high-tier and top-tier characters all recieve their scaling from a couple of feats at most.
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Well, the problem is that when we tried to perform One Piece revisions without CinCameron20 in the past, the profiles ended up completely messed up, so it is likely safest to let them mostly remain as they are.
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Cin was undoubtedly knowledgeable on the series and it would be tougher without him but that doesn't mean he's the only person that understands the series.
I'm not suggesting we make changes right away but if errors in the pages and the scaling are pointed out then eventually we would have to update the profiles to make them more accurate.
I'm not suggesting we make changes right away but if errors in the pages and the scaling are pointed out then eventually we would have to update the profiles to make them more accurate.
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Agreed on that. I'll start gathering a list of valid feats and scaling, and see which bits may be questionable.
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I'm not suggesting revisions any time soon; it's going to take me a long while to sort through all of the profiles and find the chain of scaling, and I will be requesting new feats to be calculated. The issue is I think some of the previous calcs and the scaling off of them may be flawed which is what I'll also be pointing out in a future revision thread.
Don't worry; not going to cause chaos with a dozen profiles any time soon. I'll try and make the revisions as simple as I can later on.
Don't worry; not going to cause chaos with a dozen profiles any time soon. I'll try and make the revisions as simple as I can later on.
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I think it is fallible to want to wait for new feats to scrutinize old feats and calcs performed by a user who quit the platform in solidarity with (and as a long-time member and conspirator of) the Discord group who was, if I recall correctly, attempting to artificially inflate calcs and bump entire verses up multiple tiers to screw with the wiki, wouldn't anyone else agree?
If anything, there's more reason to scrutinize the old calcs and feats because they're blatantly wrong. For instance, the Chinjao 'continental' feat? His headbutt gets obliterated by a man who is, objectively and by his own admission, moutain-busting. Putting a small fissure into a sheet of ice several meters deep and only a hundred or so visible meters long isn't continental and anyone claiming to have calc'd that out based on what is NOT visible on-panel is exagerrating the calc for the sole purpose of inflating it higher than it belongs, honestly.
If anything, there's more reason to scrutinize the old calcs and feats because they're blatantly wrong. For instance, the Chinjao 'continental' feat? His headbutt gets obliterated by a man who is, objectively and by his own admission, moutain-busting. Putting a small fissure into a sheet of ice several meters deep and only a hundred or so visible meters long isn't continental and anyone claiming to have calc'd that out based on what is NOT visible on-panel is exagerrating the calc for the sole purpose of inflating it higher than it belongs, honestly.
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Well, I think that there have also been some feats, such as Shanks and Mihawk causing earthquakes across the Grand Line, that we disregarded due to seeming to be too high for the verse compared to everything else, but we also have to take into account that comics are usually very inconsistent, even when a single author is involved, and our praxis is to use the higher feats, not the lower ones, to scale from.
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That feat was calc'd by recent calc group member Mr. Bambu to also be Island-level on a lower end , which is actually perfectly fitting for the rest of the verse based on Whitebeard's island-splitting feat and Garp's mountain-busting feat and Luffy's Dressrosa-splitting feat. And that's also using a calc based on a pretty faultily-calced premise for the size of the OP world.
In other words, Mr. Bambu's calc of that very feat which you discuss shows that it supports Island level feats for the rest of the verse when we ignore purposeful inflation of feats such as Birdcage, Black Knight, and the Chinjao 'continental' headbutt.
It's insanely hard to defend the current state of OP, to wit.
In other words, Mr. Bambu's calc of that very feat which you discuss shows that it supports Island level feats for the rest of the verse when we ignore purposeful inflation of feats such as Birdcage, Black Knight, and the Chinjao 'continental' headbutt.
It's insanely hard to defend the current state of OP, to wit.
