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Guess you are right. It does seem like an increase though
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Potential Bloodman upgrade
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We upscale all the Spriggans to baseline High 7-A+
As for Third Seal Bloodman scaling to 6-C, I don’t agree since there’s no multiplier and they are too far away to upscale to Baseline 6-C, also DF Gajeel was slapping Third Seal Bloodman with basic punches, Base Gajeel overpowered Base Bloodman, and his Roar clashed evenly with Third Seal Bloodman, not to mention Base Gajeel took all of Third Seal Bloodmans attacks and was relatively fine, he even escaped Over Skelter, which was inescapable to Third Seal Bloodman
I flat out don’t agree with 6-C Third Seal Bloodman
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@DemonGodMitchAubin Are you sure? I mean, it did almost kill Gajeel who was even with base Bloodman, implying that it gives a notable power boost.
Also, do you agree that 3rd Seal Bloodman should be a 6-C? Base Bloodman shouldn't be changed.
And thank you for answering the scaling question.
Also, do you agree that 3rd Seal Bloodman should be a 6-C? Base Bloodman shouldn't be changed.
And thank you for answering the scaling question.
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I agree with mitch.
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The problem is that Bloodman broke Gajeel's Iron Body which boosts his defense several times in third Seal. This would put him at Baseline 6-C. Relatively fine is also a pretty strong word, given a single thorn strike pierced through Gajeel fairly easily.
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This.
Not to mention that the Roar vs Rage beam clash seemed to be the only time that they were even.
Also, Gajeel looked rather banged up by the end of it, such as the impalements mentioned above by Zackra.
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Base Gajeel still clashed Roars evenly and Base Gajeel didn’t take major damage from any of Third Seal Bloodman’s attacks, he took the hits and sustained damage yes, but that means that Base Gajeel scales to Third Seal Bloodman, not to mention that after this fight, Gajeel was fine and managed to keep fighting without any healing after that fight, remember that Gajeel went from that fight to immediately continuing to fight Alvarez Soldiers and then Acnologia, Bloodman clearly did no serious damage to him
Also Dragon Force Gajeel punched Third Seal Bloodman to pieces and then blew a hole through his body, so he shouldn’t backscale at all, Third Seal Bloodman should just be unquantifiably higher than High 7-A
But I don’t agree with him being 6-C at all
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Clashing Roars is all good and all, but we know that Magic isn't Bloodman's strong suit so Devil Slaying Magic would likely be weaker than his normal attack output anyways. And Gajeel took serious damage from Bloodman given he was straight up ran through in the abdomen, and had his Iron Body broken by Bloodman which amps his defense at least 2x over, Gajeel just has good stamina.
Bloodman took several back to back hits from DF Gajeel and was only knocked back a few feet, Gajeel needed to land a full on beat down just to weaken Bloodman enough to finish him off.
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I disagree. 3rd seal bloodman was constantly able to damage gajeel and the only time they were even was when they clashed. Gajeel with help from levy was completely overwhelmed through out the fight. And was casual injured by bloodman thorn. And took hits from an enraged df gajeel and df gajeel first attack did no damage to Bloodman And his punches didn't kill him either. He shoulf backscale from df gajeel.
And gajeel had hours to recover his magic and then fought fodder alvarez soldiers which he appeared late in the fight. And everyone fought acno after they had been exhausted.
He should be 6-C
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Third Seal Bloodman being above Base Gajeel wouldn’t even make him High 7-A, you can’t upscale to Baseline 6-C from already upscaling to High 7-A+, so the only way to get Third Seal Bloodman to 6-C is from backscaling from DF Gajeel, which I also don’t agree with
You all just said you don’t agree with Base Gajeel scaling to Third Seal Bloodman because Third Seal Bloodman was stomping Base Gajeel according to you guys, but then you go on to say that Third Seal Bloodman can backscale from DF Gajeel due to not immediately dying, but DF Gajeel completely overwhelmed Third Seal Bloodman and ******* vaporized him with basic punches
I stand by my choice that Third Seal Bloodman isn’t 6-C
You all just said you don’t agree with Base Gajeel scaling to Third Seal Bloodman because Third Seal Bloodman was stomping Base Gajeel according to you guys, but then you go on to say that Third Seal Bloodman can backscale from DF Gajeel due to not immediately dying, but DF Gajeel completely overwhelmed Third Seal Bloodman and ******* vaporized him with basic punches
I stand by my choice that Third Seal Bloodman isn’t 6-C
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Agreed with mitch, him not dying instantly doesn't mean he should backscale.
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Except bloodman was casually damaging abd stomping gajeel and completely overwhelmed him while he had help from levy. And got stomped by a enraged full powered df gajeel and his first attack doesn't even damage him. It makes sense for Bloodman to backscale from df gajeel if an enraged df gajeel is nit able to kill bloodman with dozens of attacks.
He should be 6-C
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he took dozens of hits from an enraged df gajeel. And df gajeel first attack doesn't even do any damage to him. And with those dozens of attacks he still couldn't kill him while in df and enraged
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you mean the same dozens of attacks which vaporized him? some people who don't even scale to others survive those type of beatings and live, but bloodman got vaporized, he should not be scaling lmfao.
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Why not. Bloodman is shown his body starts to break apart with each hit he receives. And his first attack didn't even damage him.
And other people who survived similar attacls are not like Bloodman. His entire body is made of anti-ethernano particles not flesh or anything like that.
He wasn't even finished or defeated by those attacks.
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I'm not trying to upscale based on this. He broke through Iron scales which is a 2-3x amp to his AP and Dura. this puts him at 6-C
I already mentioned why DF Gajeel completely overwhelmed Bloodman which was due to the 4x speed amp that DF provides, Bloodman couldn't react at all to DF Gajeel's attacks but he did survive alot of them.
We know that Sabertooth got stomped by Bloodman alone given Irene wasn't even on the battlefield yet and was preparing for Acno, and neither sting or rogue ever interacted with Larcade before. They could just sense their magic power. this would put him High 7-A+ in Base with Third Seal being Baseline 6-C given he straight up broke through Iron scales Gajeel's defense, him taking hits from DF Gajeel is just a supporting feat for me.
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I think both sides have at least one point. 3rd Seal Bloodman does NOT scale to DF Gajeel, since I saw both the manga and anime versions and he got WIPED by Gajeel. No backscaling should be used IMO.
However, I do think that he was definitely stomping base Gajeel, and pierced his iron skin with ease, which as Zackra said is a 2-3x amp to his AP and Dura, making him between 5.3 and 7.95 gigatons.
Also, as @Zackra1799 just mentioned, it's heavily implied that only Bloodman stomped Sabertooth, since like he said they hadn't even met Larcade (as shown when Sting first met Larcade), and Irene hadn't shown up on the battle field yet.
I agree with with everything he said except the backscaling.
However, I do think that he was definitely stomping base Gajeel, and pierced his iron skin with ease, which as Zackra said is a 2-3x amp to his AP and Dura, making him between 5.3 and 7.95 gigatons.
Also, as @Zackra1799 just mentioned, it's heavily implied that only Bloodman stomped Sabertooth, since like he said they hadn't even met Larcade (as shown when Sting first met Larcade), and Irene hadn't shown up on the battle field yet.
I agree with with everything he said except the backscaling.
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I agree with Mitch on this. Bloodman should be left as is.
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That wouldn't be very helpful because CRTs boil down to staff approval.
And so far only one staff member has made a comment.
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How is it that all Dragon Force users get the same 4 times multiplier (aside from 100YQ Natsu), but all Etherious forms don't have the same 2 times multiplier that Mard Geer has? There is no possible reason to assume that the Etherious form multipliers would differ between each demon.
Also, stomping Rogue, Minerva, and Sting should definitely make him "At Least High 7-A, likely 6-C", since Rogue, Minerva, and Sting are all Historia level but were implied to have lost badly to just Bloodman (Irene didn't arrive on the battlefield until later, and Sting didn't recognize Larcade when he met him later, so Larcade couldn't have been involved in the stomping of Sabertooth.
And it's implied that Bloodman stomped them in base, since he didn't kill them (and he views his 3rd Seal as a pure killing machine with no survivors, so had he used it Sabertooth would've been killed, not crucified).
Also, stomping Rogue, Minerva, and Sting should definitely make him "At Least High 7-A, likely 6-C", since Rogue, Minerva, and Sting are all Historia level but were implied to have lost badly to just Bloodman (Irene didn't arrive on the battlefield until later, and Sting didn't recognize Larcade when he met him later, so Larcade couldn't have been involved in the stomping of Sabertooth.
And it's implied that Bloodman stomped them in base, since he didn't kill them (and he views his 3rd Seal as a pure killing machine with no survivors, so had he used it Sabertooth would've been killed, not crucified).
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Also just to add with bloodman 3rd seal he seems to only use it once he is pushed to using it like with gajeel and a last resort type of attack
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Mars was given a 2 Multiplier for his Etherious Form because of these reasons:
AP:
At least 2x stronger than his Base Form as he matched Devil Slayer Mark Gray and Enhanced Emotions Natsu's combined power.
Durability:
At least 2x more durable than his Base Form as he tanked a combined attack from Enhanced Emotions Natsu and Devil Slayer Gray, who were both comparable to his Base Form)
Note the word "Combined"
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That doesn't answer the question of why Mard Geer's multiplier is different from that of any other Etherious form. There is nothing that would support the multiplier being different, just that Mars Geer has a much higher base power than the other Demon Gates.
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So do you have a statement about Etherious Forms having an In-Universe stated Multiplier?
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Or did you even check the linked CRT?
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Maybe not all etherious forms are 2x multipliers but bloodman should be imo. He was given all the abilities of everyone in the nine demon gates and even had ice demon slayer magic from silver. And is stated to surpass the nine demon gates. So bloodman should get the same multiplier
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Mard Geer’s Etherious Form isn’t a multiplier, he scales to Natsu and Gray’s combined power, Etherious Forms has no given proof that they are all 2x
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I dunno, the Mard Geer multiplier seems pretty similar in basis to the DF multiplier.
And as mentioned, Bloodman should have the same buff from his Etherious form that Mard Geer does.
If Etherious MG >= 2x Base MG, I see no reason for Etherious/3rd Seal Bloodman to not be >= 2x Base Bloodman
And as mentioned, Bloodman should have the same buff from his Etherious form that Mard Geer does.
If Etherious MG >= 2x Base MG, I see no reason for Etherious/3rd Seal Bloodman to not be >= 2x Base Bloodman
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It’s not a multiplier, Mard Geer matched two people who combined their power, so he scales to the added result, but that wasn’t based on the amp of the Etherious Form itself, so you can’t make all Etherious Forms 2x
DF has actual statements and showings of being superior to a 3x Amp
DF has actual statements and showings of being superior to a 3x Amp
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That makes sense.
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I don't think he can scale to 2x above his base self even with his fight against gray and natsu. Prior to gray joining in base he was massively above base natsu and was easily overpowering him and even tanked a lighting flame dragon mode attack from natsu in base while off gaurd and took no damage. Natsu was far weaker than mard in base. So i don't think he should be 2x above base for his fight against natsu and gray.
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That was Base Natsu, we’re talking bout Enhanced Emotions Natsu
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Seems hard to scale natsu with enhanced emotions. And he also was taking no damage from natsu attacks. Seems it should be more than 2x since natsu only manages to damage mard geer in df.
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That Enhanced Emotions Natsu was equal to Devil Slayer Gray and performed better than Sting and Rogue
Also Etherious Form Mard Geer is "At least 2x" stronger and more durable, could be higher, but it's unknown if it can be
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I mean base natsu performed better than sting and rouge in the little bit of time they had their 1v1 form. So that isn't saying much but he was equal to gray.
Quick question is enhanced emotions natsu scaled above lfdm on the wiki. And what is lfdm multiplier.
At least 2x seems best.
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LFDM has no multiplier, and we can't assume multipliers, that's not how it works here
LFDM Natsu couldn't hurt Base Mard Geer with a punch, yet Enhanced Emotions Natsu sent Etherious Mard Geer skyrocketing into the ground
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