Potential BlackÔÿàRock Shooter upgrade

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

So we just had two Zelda upgrades based on "Sun inside Pocket Dimension", which I guess is pretty much what happens in the BÔÿàRS anime so, here we go.

In many point during this video, we can see a sun giving light to Chariot's dimension. At 4:00 briefly, 4:14, 4:50, 5:57 and 9:32. It isn't related to the heart we can see later on, as it clearly doesn't give enough light for it to replace the sun.

Again, every Otherselves likely creates, support the existence of and can destroy their own world. We also have feats of people surviving the destruction of their own realm. So everyone should be At least Star level.

Considering that the gap between Star and Large Star is only 2.33, and that everyone can create a realm with far more space than the Sun takes place, I think that the higher tier could warrant being High 4-C. Notably, IBÔÿàRS can destroy BlackÔÿàGold Saw's two arms with what amount to a stray shot, and Strength can keep up with her.

Morever, base BÔÿàRS survived all of the Otherworlds fusing into one, although I'm not sure if this is quantifiable.

 

[Cropfist]

I agree with this.

 

[Hazerddex]

i see your point

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Bump la Bump.

 

[FinalBattleX01]

• sigh* Honestly, its getting a bit ridiculous how we've accepted the whole "Star(s) inside pocket dimension" for Demise, Dracula, Reggie Flaps, Cultivator (and God knows how many other characters that I dont know about) and now we're discussing it for BRS but arent even allowed to bring it up for Kaguya... Anyways, I just wanted to vent for a bit and wont bring it back up lest I cause a sh**storm. Sorry...

On to the topic at hand, Im fine with the 4C upgrade.

What I dont really get is the High 4C. Are you saying that the High Tier Otherselves are High 4C? If so, I dont really agree with that, since there arent really any High Tiers. All Otherselves seem to be comperable to eachother in power with no major advantages (e.g. IBRS took off one of BGS' arms with a shot, but BGS was abe to do the same to her with her sword). Though I could probably agree to High 4C Mato (BRS) with the giant Rock Cannon since it seemed to be drawing energy from all the Otherselves and vaporized IBRS.

tl;dr Im fine with Star level for all Otherselves. Iffy on the Large Star for anyone besides giant Rock Canon BRS.

edit: I have no clue why that bullet point is there and i cant get rid of it...

edit 2: Hmmmm, though I do have to wonder if this might be an outlier. There are no feats beyond City level in the whole series...

 

[Hazerddex]

which kaguya?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Ōtsutsuki. Who else?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Can't really be an outlier. All the city level feats would now be Star instead, and the destruction/manipulation of said realms happens often.

 

[FinalBattleX01]

Its not about how many times it happens, its more about the fact that they have never shown anywhere near that level of feats when not dealing with the destruction/creation of their own realms. Since the City Level feats are now gonna be Star, then the best other feats that they actually used in combat are like Large Building level or something.

Anyways, Ive already said Im fine with the upgrade, Im just saying that there are some other ways of looking at it. Perhaps "Star level reality warping in their own realms"?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Same could be said of...pretty much any character that uses reality warping for their main feats.

Hell, if City wasn't an oultier, neither Star should be.

 

[FinalBattleX01]

And many of those characters get one rating for their regular attacks (punches, offensive magic etc), and a separate (normally higher one) for their reality warping as opposed to scaling it to all their attacks.

Anyways, whatever, again Im fine with this. Lets see what others think.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

No. Only characters who are specifically glass canons with powers are treated like that. Ex: Hahuri, Adam, etc.

Especially in this case, several characters tanks the destruction/creation of their realm, and BGS uses her RW in normal combat.

 

[Blahblah9755]

I thought City level wasn't an outlier because the manipulation of the objects in their realms that they displayed, and have used in battle was calced at low 7C https://forums.hero-academia.com/xf...-shooter-anime-calc-bgs-raises-a-sword.24723/

I'm unsure about the sun thing, since it's incredibly far outside of what we've seen physically from the anime, it could theoretically be some other giant ball/circle of something in the sky/edge of the pocket dimension that gives off light. That's generally what beings do in fiction if they want to simulate a day night cycle without having the ability to create something of that size. But would Occam's Razor dictate that we shouldn't make that assumption? I'm not really sure. Maybe it would be best to treat it the same way as the starry sky in the innocent soul manga and say that they're just possibly large Star level?

If we do consider them real stars, would that mean the final attack at the end of the series is multi solar system level? I'm just curious, I know it can't really apply to any character's AP.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Low 7-C and 7-B are quite far apart.

Well again, the best feats were related to the realms, which are generally unknown in size. It's not like we are suddenly upgrading a bunch of consistant city levelers to Star, given that said city level stats would be now obsolete.

No. MSS is two full solar system AND the space between.

 

[Blahblah9755]

Well again, the best feats were related to the realms, which are generally unknown in size. It's not like we are suddenly upgrading a bunch of consistant city levelers to Star, given that said city level stats would be now obsolete.

Yeah, I know, that's why I thought something like at least city level possibly large star level would work, since depending on whether or not it's a real star they would either be city level or large star level. Which appears to be the way we treat the feat in BRS Innocent Soul (just with mountain and MSS instead of city and large star).

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Well I made those changes before we had really set standards for feats like those, so I wouldn't use it as an example.

 

[Blahblah9755]

Ah, okay, I didn't realize that. In that case I'm uncertain, I'll just observe the discussion for now.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Bump

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

To be honest I'm the only one who remotely knows about the series, how much input do we need?

 

[The_Everlasting]

I'm more or less fine with this, though not sure if 4-C would be more appropriate than High 4-C.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

In my opinion such feats should be High 4-C but eh.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Well, destroying a 4-C's arms with a stray shot is probably High 4-C.

 

[Kaltias]

Maybe "at least 4-C"?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I mean the feat itself should be High 4-C honestly. All pocket dimensions that are big enough to show the sun at a distance should logically be as large as the sun-earth distance, which is massive.

But if not, then I'm willing to concede at least 4-C and something like possibly High 4-C for the high tier.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Is that enough input for an upgrade? Again, I doubt any more people than that knows about the verse enough to have any major input.