Possibly upgrade for eternity?

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Oh... I thought Metaphysics counted as both Math + Philosophy.

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

A question:
If someone [Time Variance] stated in Marvel that the size of the Multiverse/Omniverse is impossible to quantify by any Mathematical Method [ Which would likely include all forms of Physics and Metaphysics ] , what tier would that fall under ?

What story again?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

@Lucky I have the scan right here .

 

[TheSandman31]

A question:

If someone [Time Variance] stated in Marvel that the size of the Multiverse/Omniverse is impossible to quantify by any Mathematical Method [ Which would likely include all forms of Physics and Metaphysics ] , what tier would that fall under ?

also all/any mathematical method=/= all forms of physics

 

[Antvasima]

"Impossible to say precisely how large" (with available scientific measurements) is not the same as "beyond all mathematical definition".

 

[Antvasima]

Since there is no evidence of 1-A, and Matthew disagrees, we should probably close this thread.

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

wait

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

I never said 1-A i only asked if eternity could get an upgrade for atleast high 1-B or possibly 1-A

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

But you never explained why eternity can't be atleast high 1-B

 

[Antvasima]

For that tier we need reliable evidence for 1-A that contradicts the other evidence that places him at High 1-B.

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

well the neutral zone is a evidence it is literally beyond the wave function of all possible worlds.

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

And eternity true appearance is outside that of neutral zone

 

[TheSandman31]

Well being beyond function doesnt mean 1-A, based on what I see from the above, it probably refers to wave function collapse so it being above wave function of all possible worlds just means its above all possible worlds

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

in the same comic it also stated the multiverse exist on infinite levels and the neutral zone is beyond that it also bordering that.

i think atleast high 1-B is good

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

and Quantum mechanics is still in the multiverse while the neutral zone is the end of all known science

 

[DarkLK]

According to DarkLK, merely entering a 1-A realm is nowhere near enough to automatically qualify for such a stature oneself.

Well, personally, I view the most external body of Eternity (and other Cosmoses) as 1-A. I do not think that you will agree with this though.

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

@Dark yeah that is what i think too that eternity external body is at least high 1-B

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Wow. Dark of all people believes the Eternities are 1-A. Could you possibly explain your reasoning ?

 

[DarkLK]

Wow. Dark of all people believes the Eternities are 1-A. Could you possibly explain your reasoning ?

Well, it seems people here agree that the outer void where the Cosmoses exist is a dimensionless world. However, the problem is that the existence in such a world does not make you 1-A.

We know that any being and concept is denied in this void ("even death may die" lol). Any. Except for the "pure substance" from which the Cosmoses are made. You can say that the cosmos is simply the strongest creatures and their resistance is very high. But there are a two things that make me think that this pure substance is much closer to the outer void than to some kind of concepts.

1) The internal size and complexity of the Cosmoses does not correlate with their external state. The first firmament has the simplest internal arrangement but it is the largest. When the superflow and parallel worlds were destroyed, Eternity did not become smaller.

2) The pure substance is not simply invulnerable to the negative effect of the outer void. The bodies of the cosmoses literally grow in the void. I do not think that this is possible if they are qualitatively different from this void.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I obviously have a very high degree of respect for DarkLK, and do not mind giving Multi-Eternity and the First Firmament higher ratings if somebody finds explicit reliable evidence of a 1-A nature, but I am extremely wary of upgrades purely based on speculation, even if it is informed speculation.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I... See. An interesting and great point. That can actually be argued.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, it can be argued, but I personally prefer some easy to link to scans with explicit statements for proof within the profiles.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I honestly... Saw no point for 1-A Eternity in his post. It didn't seem coherent.

 

[Antvasima]

It was coherent, but I personally much prefer explicit proof for such high ratings.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

What about Never Queen and the Land that Shouldn't / Couldn't Be. It was described as a realm outside Eternity and the Universe, just like The Outside . However, both Never Queen and Eternity becoming one , simply swooning over them, made the realm. Would this qualify as a feat for them ?

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

this is dumb af so now if you exist beyond infinite D you couldn't be atleast high 1-B @Ant I respect your opinion thought

 

[Antvasima]

Maybe. Can you show the scans?

 

[Antvasima]

By the way, was it ever revealed who created the weapon that cut away a part of the Never Queen?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

The Edge of Reality , that can cut into the fabric of existence ? No. Sure. Ill post it the next time i am on the computer.

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

@ant literally the neutral zone in fact it is also a non Euclidean space which prove it more it could be at least high 1-B te neutral zone exist beyond the multiverse with quantum mechanics.

 

[Antvasima]

@Lucky

Beyond infinite dimensions recurrently means a higher degree of dimensionality, not exceeding the actual concepts of time and space as a whole.

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

i'm pretty sure anyone with atleast high 1-B doesn't surpass the concept of dimensions and such.

 

[Antvasima]

@Lucky

I do not think that beyond the concepts of space and time is what non-euclidean means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Euclidean_geometry

 

[Antvasima]

@Lucky

We only use "At least High 1-B" if a character might possibly be 1-A.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Heres a quote about the Land that Shouldn't/Couldn't Be while I gather the neccessary scans :

It's big. The big nothing. A nothing of forever. A place God's hands have never touched. Outside of space. Outside of Universe... outside of Eternity .

 

[LuckyCharmingStar]

a non Euclidean space has no parallel axis making it dimensionless and that isnt bound by dimensions

@Ant read the page about euclidean and non Euclidean on wikia.

 

[Antvasima]

I will ask DontTalk for input about this.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

About Non-Euclidean or the upgrade ?

 

[Antvasima]

About if Lucky is correct that non-euclidean space is beyond the concepts of space and time.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Okay,

Also: Isn't the Land that Should/Couldn't Be literally Eternity's Realm ? It's outside Eternity, outside the Universe, and it's appearance is the exact same. If that is such, we may already have evidence for 1-A.