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Possibly this wikis longest CRT (Gravity Falls)

DaBigP and Risci-viragosi

Please by all means, explain why Bill would say this if he was 3-D, especially when it is criminally obvious that temporal dimensions are being used in this line

or why Ford would claim he is higher dimensional

I know he is inconsistent but it has usually all been in the last episodes where the hero needed to win If I am not mistaken Alex said Bill would have just killed them had it not been for plot

That right there shows that the last episodes downplayed bill in multiple areas and he should have won in the end
 
You just ignored my point... you completely ignored it: That is not what a feat is. Higher dimensions are not infinitely above lower ones in-verse. Whenever or not he is 4D in-verse doesn't matter if the dimensionality in-verse is not infinitely above what is below.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
And are you using his 3D insult as a thing? Didn't he do that as a 2D?
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He it is a big plot point that he eas trying to no longer be 2-D by entering the real world and he accomplished this
 
So him trashtalking someone who is 3D as a 2D is enough to give him 4D. Yeeeeah, right.

He doesn't even say he'll overcome them. He's just insulting them as if 3D was already below them. I know you peeps wanted to upgrade his Dreamscaper to High 3-A, but still.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
You are arguing for a tier. Tiers are given based on AP. That makes giving a tier that he cannot achieve with AP is wrong. "Hax" giving AP, like Monika's erasure, is because they use the hax to destroy stuff.
And you got told that it depends on thhe situation. It doesn't fit here.


Hell, you didn't even give prood that Bill can warp reality over all of space and time on a universal level at once.
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Why wouldn't it fit? Is there any reason it wouldn't fit for bill?


Bill states "No more restrictions, no more laws" if that doesn't say that he is being restricted by the barrier than I am at a loss for words
 
Also, this again:

  • How many times, and how hard does this have to be rejected for you to understand that higher dimensions in Gravity Falls are as consistent as Bill Cipher himself is in-general? The only reasoning you could say is that all inconsistencies are PIS, and at that point I have to question what is the point of making a profile that is never once potrayed accurately.
 
Totallynotchewbacca said:
Why wouldn't it fit? Is there any reason it wouldn't fit for bill? Bill states "No more restrictions, no more laws" if that doesn't say that he is being restricted by the barrier than I am at a loss for words
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because he never once consciously warped reality on that scale, let alone use it to destroy it. Removing the laws of reality is not tier 2, it isn't tiered at all, and causes a chain reaction kind of AP. And wouldn't you know it, chain reactions don't directly scale to you.

And... there were no laws in the barrier. His range was restricted, blueballing him of his goals, that's it.
 
That is our job here, make the profiles as accurate as possible

This is why I didn't speculate like the High 2-A Bill thing, I have evidence and you just say it doesn't work because he is inconsistent. Why not a varies key? That would fit better than just assuming that any possibility for him being somewhat higher dimensional despite the fact I got the evidence supported it with statements and you just said it doesn't fit and doesn't work like that
 
I don't say because it is inconsistent. Saying higher D is inconsistent implies that it is showed to work by our standards and then contradicted.

Unless I missed something, Higher D stuff is never showed to be something (beyond) infinitly above us.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
because he never once consciously warped reality on that scale, let alone use it to destroy it. Removing the laws of reality is not tier 2, it isn't tiered at all, and causes a chain reaction kind of AP. And wouldn't you know it, chain reactions don't directly scale to you.
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And... there were no laws in the barrier. His range was restricted, blueballing him of his goals, that's it.

You know, I was getting angry but I am going to try and stay calm

He directly stated that he controlled space-time and matter, it doesn't matter if he never shows it because we know he has it. I didn't say anything about removing laws of reality, this entire time I argued for his space-time manip, which doesn't cause a chain reaction

He states he was restricted in that thing, the exact reason I am saying he should get the tier. You have just said "It was only range, not AP" when that range would directly affect his AP like I have stated.
 
Like those "11D" beings who died when their ship crashed in 3D and have no sense in direction.

We don't treat beings as higher-dimensional if they're stated to be yet the way they're portrayed contradicts our standards for it. Unless you want to tell me that 4D alien from Rick and Morty that got run over by a car is a legit higher-dimensional being.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
I don't say because it is inconsistent. Saying higher D is inconsistent implies that it is showed to work by our standards and then contradicted.
Unless I missed something, Higher D stuff is never showed to be something (beyond) infinitly above us.
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But that is the thing, he has evidence that works directly off of our tiering system

A 4-D is infinitely above a 3-D who is infinitely above a 2-D who is infinitely above a 1-D
 
Yeah, controlling it and doding so on a universal scale to the point that you can destroy said universe are completely different thing.

Yes, being forced into an area that you cannot leave is, in fact, a restriction. Putting me in a prison doesn't make me weaker regardless of that. And I know you stated it, it's just that I disagreew with that statement, and going for the at nauseum route will not get me to agree either.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Like those "11D" beings who died when their ship crashed in 3D and have no sense in direction.
We don't treat beings as higher-dimensional if they're stated to be yet the way they're portrayed contradicts our standards for it. Unless you want to tell me that 4D alien from Rick and Morty that got run over by a car is a legit higher-dimensional being.
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Why are you still on that? we all know that that wasn't talking about temporal dimensions, this was discussed thoroughly

He has feats for the last time, and statements backing them up. Even Alex said that Bill would have won if it wasn't for plot directly showing that Bill was CIS and PIS throughout that thing
 
Which feats shows higher dimensions as having more then infinitely more mass than our due to having an extra dimensional axis? Because I missed that.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Yeah, controlling it and doding so on a universal scale to the point that you can destroy said universe are completely different thing.
Yes, being forced into an area that you cannot leave is, in fact, a restriction. Putting me in a prison doesn't make me weaker regardless of that. And I know you stated it, it's just that I disagreew with that statement, and going for the at nauseum route will not get me to agree either.
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Here dammit https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2671522

I put the thing from the beginning and asked the consultant for the tiering system and he said "typically it does" which as I have shown does here

And That is completely different from my argument, Bill has an ability that would make him low 2-C if on a universal scale, if he was restricted to only a small area it would be high 3-A.
 
That is not a feat.

I asked you to show me where he controls it to the point of beiung able to completely destroy it.

I know how it works, it simply doesn't aply here.


And no, restricting his area does not make the energy output of his attacks drop. Or are you genuinly arguing that his AP should scale to something that he cannot reproduce through an attack, or in a destructive manner?
 
Fine, just ignore the fact that I asked the very consultant of the tiering system and just throw it away

That was the feat, he could control it at that level but I see that isn't good enough

you win, I give up on this character, just go to the abilities
 
He litirally said he doesn't know if it would aply here.

He nevere showed to contorl it at that level. Saying that you can control space and time doesn't make you low 2-C on it's own.
 
Though, I'll own up to my mistakes and admit that he should be plain 2-A to be honest. Yeah, it's contradicted as all hell, but it's the only constant in his character, he can pose a danger to the multiverse.

I feel an "Unknown, likely 2-A" would be best.
 
Thank you for being kind. It means a lot for this moment

I can full heartedly say I agree

Also I am sorry for getting angry, I didn't want this to turn out like that and wanted a nice thread.
 
Yeah. Now, excuse me, for I'll have to finally be happy. At least Comp. Goji ain't being deleted.

BUT THAT'S OFF TOPIC!
 
Don't count on it

Oh, I will. If they actually delete it via being too obscure (which is a bad reason BTW), they will know real controversy.
 
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