Possible Obito Upgrade?

[AidenBrooks999]

ST Obito AP and explanation: Continent level via power-scaling (Given that they had the same power source, he should not have been too much weaker than Madara, and his power is supposedly close to Rikudo Sennin who created the moon at his death-bed)

Madara isn't Small Planet Level? Then Obito Should be at Moon Level/Moon Level+

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

The Juubi Obito absorbed had 6 Tomoe while Madaras had 9 so he should be 60/70% of Madara so yeah

 

[AidenBrooks999]

I'll supose that Obito was Continent Level before Madara was upgrade to Small Planet Level, right?

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Yup

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Madara is Small Planet Level with both Rinnegans after absorbing the tree. So no.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

No he is before the shinju tree actually that's what hagoromo said.

 

[Animegoku]

Obito is Continent level at best

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Obito is Continent level at best

no if you powerscale

 

[Animegoku]

KaenDragneel123 I do get what you mean but it was said in the manga that madara was a lot stronger. but if Obito come moon level im cool he was a cool guy.

 

[Lina_Shields]

If Obito becomes upgraded, this might affect bijuu mode Naruto and EMS Sasuke's tiering as well since Naruto/Sasuke didn't have the six paths chakra at that point.

I say keep Obito where he is. Keep in mind that there is actually a HUGE difference in power compared to Obito and Madara, as Madara has complete control over the six paths chakra from the beasts. Keep in mind that the So6P had to give both Naruto/Sasuke his chakra as there was no way they could have defeated Madara otherwise.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Naruto was actually damaging Juubito in base form once and they overall only held there own against him because they figured out his sole weakness was senjutsu.Madara was obviously much stronger but pre shinju tree shouldn't have been.Also iirc in the novels the intro mentioned Obito having old man six paths comparable chakra so there's also word of God here.

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

Naruto and Sasuke were barely hurting Obito. He only lost due to plot.

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure. Maybe. Maybe not. I will highlight this topic for more staff input.

 

[UncleSpaceman]

I am not sure. Maybe. Maybe not. I will highlight this topic for more staff input.

I was about to bring this up actually...

Naruto with only the chakra he took from Kurama easily beat Toneri. It's highly doubtful that Naruto in The Last is as strong as Naruto and Sasuke combined during the Obito fight.

So we can establish a power-scale of,

Obito >= KSM Naruto & EMS Sasuke > The Last Naruto >>> Toneri = Multi-Continent Level

From this, Obito should be Moon Level. Furthermore, it's backed up by Obito saying that he could reshape the world with Hagoromos sword.

Also, the Juubi that Obito absorbed had 6 Tomoe while Madaras had 9. So Obito he should be about 60/70% of Madara. In other words, Moon Level.

 

[Nonickfound]

But how much is the world in Obito sentence?

The whole Naruto verse revole in one single continent, a rather big one but still a continent.

So maybe their idea of the world is much smaller.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

Obito did lose due to PIS , he was going easy on them during their fight only wanting to proove Naruto wrong.He only lost when he started doubting about his beliefs.

 

[Antvasima]

@Kkapoios So, do you think that we should upgrade him to Moon level?

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Moon or Moon+?

 

[Lina_Shields]

Keep in mind that there is approximately a 22,220x difference between the absolute min. of 6-A and absolute peak of 6-A. Seeing that Naruto's Bijuu Sage Mode and EMS Sasuke's Susanoo stands at around 6-C (High 6-C if generoute), The difference in power becomes around a whopping 300,000,000 times. I would say Obito at 6-A or High 6-A would have given more than enough a tier difference to not even notice any of Naruto and Sasuke's regular blows.

I'm not sure the power gap between Madra and Obito's six paths sage forms is, but from what I've read, the gap is implied to be enormous (seeing how base Madara with a single Rinnegan can tank everything from the tailed beasts). Madara also had much better control over the tailed beasts, judging by the difference in form and feats.

Seeing that Sasuke should still have his Rinnegan at that point (which involves the six paths power), Naruto's Kurama mode should have the six paths power as well, which would increase its power tremendously (unless there is proof that Sasuke keps this six paths powers while Naruto lost them). This would also involve merging the two halves of Kurama together as well, which boosted Naruto's power even further. (Full power Kurama could be way more than twice as strong as before).

Obito should be High 6-A at best. People are underestimating the power gap between Madara and Obito when base Madara with a single Rinnegan subdued and recaptured the tailed beasts much faster than Obito and Akatsuki even could.

Basically the powerscale should be:

The Last Naruto > Toneri > Obito >= Kurama+Susanoo.

 

[Algaro]

Moon level seems fine to me.

 

[Antvasima]

@Crazystarf Well, in case we keep Obito's statistics as they are, somebody will at least have to rewrite the current justifications.

As for the massive power differences, regrettably many writers do not tend to have much comparative power-scaling logic for confrontations between characters.

 

[Lina_Shields]

@Crazystarf Well, in case we keep Obito's statistics as they are, somebody will at least have to rewrite the current justifications.
As for the massive power differences, regrettably many writers do not tend to have much comparative power-scaling logic for confrontations between characters.

I am still on the belief that Madara's control over the beasts is much greater than Obito's, thus this would increase Madara's six paths powers much higher compared to Obito. If the gap between Moon and Small Planet was a bit bigger, then I would place Obito in Moon Level (this would mean Madara would be Moon Level as well), but right now I'm quite hesitant on this.

As cool as Kurama+Sasuke vs Obito was, it still pales in comparison to where Naruto and Sasuke had to receive sage powers just to even stand a chance against Madara. Considering that Naruto and Sasuke's AP jumped up 4 tiers (a gigantic gap). This would reinforce the power level between Madara and Obito even further.

I highly doubt that any of sage mode Naruto's rasengans would even make a dent in Madara in any way.

 

[LordAizenSama]

there also the fact that Madara was the original owner of the rinnegan, so he likely has have much better control over the tailed beasts and access to greater power . he was also the reincarnation of Indra, which would prove it further and having special chakra.

So I agree with CrazyStarf

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

The last 100 chapters in Naruto have been a mess with tons of PIS. Obito losing to Naruto was plot device, that definitely can't be used to scale War arc BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke.

Obito did have much less control over Juubi's power however, far inferior to Madara. I don't know if solid moon level is good for Obito, but Likely Moon level could work. He was a Juubi jinchuuriki after all, without the stupid PIS he could've performed IT by himself

 

[Alakabamm]

I agree with Crazystarf, this is a massive jump in tier and the feats simply don't come close to it. Also, amount of tomoe =/= percentage power at all and base Madara stomps base Obito so ridiculously hard that it is embarassing. So yea, there really isn't enough justfication for the power increase.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but currently the profile says that Obito is scaled from Madara, so in case he stays the way he is, we need to rewrite that to some other justification for his statistics.

 

[Kavpeny]

1. Obito never had the complete Jübi sealed within him.
2. Obito never had mastery over the Jübi, and simply being jinchüriki of the same Bijü =/= same (or similar) power level (by that logic, one-tail Naruto should be as strong as bijü mode Naruto). Mastery of the bijü's power is a fundamental aspect (which Obito clearly didn't have).

Also, I'm beginning to doubt the validity of 6-A Obito instead. He should be downgraded to "At least 6-B". There's nothing to support his so-called power increase (between Juubito and ST Obito).

 

[Alakabamm]

Yea, he should probably be scaled as being above the Shinju/bijuu statue instead.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

"This is a massive jump in tier and the feats don't come close to it."

First, what feats does Obito have? Virtually non-existent. Due to heavy amounts of PIS we can't use powerscaling to decide whether or not he qualifies either.

The only things we know are: He's a Ten-tail Jinchuriki, he was said to be weaker than Jinchuriki Madara, he was also said to have the Power of the Sage of Sixth Paths so Moon level is likely.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Okay, but currently the profile says that Obito is scaled from Madara, so in case he stays the way he is, we need to rewrite that to some other justification for his statistics.

Scaled from which version of Madara? Madara's tier jumps from 6-C directly to Low 5-B

Previously Obito was scaled when Madara was 5-C IIRC

 

[LordAizenSama]

I agree with Kav here.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that what Lord Kavpeny wrote makes sense.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Hmm I agree with Kav. Obito is rather featless, if he's not upgraded then he should be downgraded since his 6-A is baseless atm.

 

[Antvasima]

@Faisal He is currently scaled from Ten-Tails Jinchuriki Madara.

 

[Algaro]

Kav did make a good point, I'll agree with it.

 

[LordAizenSama]

Oh and another thing I find wrong with the descriptions on most profiles relating to the So6P: Hagoromo did not make the Moon on his deathbed. it likely changed little by little as it was passed down through the ages to where we learn it initially through obito, like a tale naturally would. Hagoromo and his brother actually created it together

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Oh and another thing I find wrong with the descriptions on most profiles relating to the So6P: Hagoromo did not make the Moon on his deathbed. it likely changed little by little as it was passed down through the ages to where we learn it initially through obito, like a tale naturally would. Hagoromo and his brother actually created it together

Hagoromo profile is updated now...

 

[LordAizenSama]

^Like i said, profiles relating to the So6P. Such as Obito, and probably has it in madaras,narutos,and sasukes aswell.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

How can he be: Small Planet level for Creating the moo with his brother?

He should be small Moon Level | Small Planet level after

 

[LordAizenSama]

on another note, why Exactly is Naruto and sasuke powerscaled to hagoromo and Juubi Jinch Madara? Hagoromo Barely scrapped in at 580~Exatons when the feat was made with his brother iirc, so if naruto/sasuke received half of hagoromos power, it would be roughly 300~ exatons, so why the Small planet level?

I have a feeling this is because we assumed a really weak hagoromo on his deathbed created the moon by himself, so they could likely do it in their prime with half the power..