Possible DxD God Tiers Revisions

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

So we are gonna go against author intent and use our headcanon to scale lol

We're going to go with what our standards dictate. We're not backscaling Naruto Kage to Moon level from 8th Gate Guy and so we're not going to do something as stupid as scaling Heavenly Dragons from the God Tiers. DxD won't be getting special treatment.

Author intent? Are you seriously telling me that the author intends for Heavenly Dragons to be Moon level? These are characters with mountain range destruction feats at best.

Are you seriously telling me that Ishibumi wants Multi-Continent level Gods and Satans? People with Island level feats and statements? Are you forgetting how an attack that destroyed several islands can one-shot Maou-class individuals?

Are you seriously saying Ishibumi wants High-class devils to be Multi-Continent level? Because that's what we're going to end up with if we go ahead with this nonsensical backscaling, through the King Piece which is a 100x boost at best. So much for authorial intent!

Heck, you can fit Mid-class and Low-class devils in Multi-Continent level due to how huge the tier is.

Let me use an example:

In True DxD 5, Ishibumi says Diehauser can destroy an island with a single attack.

In True DxD 6, Ishibumi says Shiva can destroy the planet with a single attack.

In True DxD 7, Ishibumi says the difference between Shiva and a Maou-class is 20x. In this situation, we're certainly not going to scale Diehauser to Shiva because the difference between busting an island and a planet is obviously more than 20x. So it just means Ishibumi doesn't realize the sheer difference in scale of what he's talking about.

No such wank as Moon level HDs and Multi-Continent level Satans is ever going through, sorry.

Ryuuteimaru is legit an avatar of great red and holds his power from Great Red himself and he was able to destroy the planet in one shot. Go with what the story itself says and less about how we disagree with it because I don't like it is not a good arguement.

Who ever said Ryuuteimaru doesn't have Great Red's power?

He didn't bust a planet, he just has a statement that he could potentially do so with one attack.

 

[Antvasima]

Burning Full Fingers seems to make sense to me with his latest posts.

 

[RedDragonEmperorAsh]

Only Dragon Gods should be scaled to AxA. So Great Red and Ophis...The Gods from ExE. Maybe Vali since Ddraig said he still can hold his own against AxA just not Issei blowing up the planet level.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I am fine with BFF too. Unreliable multipliers are nothing new. I am fine with treating them like that.

 

[Vergil_Lucifer]

Draig said Vali could fight only agains limited AxA through dodge it's blast with his immense speed and noted that if Ise destroy entire planet he win Vali for sure.

 

[Antvasima]

So should what BFF suggested be applied now?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I'd say we should wait for a day or so due to the significance of the changes, if others don't mind.

I can start on it tomorrow if things remain the same; just four characters will be affected.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Ionliosite]

I still don't get it. Why can't Trihexa, Great Red and Prime Ophis, who have many world destruction statements on their own and scales above AxA Ise, be just a solid 5-B?

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

The nature of the specific "destroy the planet with one attack" statement for AxA is not as blatant as, say, Kaguya's ETSB. So I feel like the current agreed rating is much better.

Well, we don't know how much stronger they are compared to the incomplete AxA since Ishibumi said it's among the highest class in DxD and Issei also suggested fighting Trihexa on his own.

There's True DxD now and Ryuuteimaru will be complete with Eros Engine, so we'll know for sure sooner or later.

 

[Vietthai96]

I still don't get it. Why can't Trihexa, Great Red and Prime Ophis, who have many world destruction statements on their own and scales above AxA Ise, be just a solid 5-B?

They have no feats to back-up the claim and like i said before nothing implies they can one-shot the planet, So until Issei with AxA actually get up-tier, they could possibly be scale with him

And one more problem, what about AxA speed, i doubt Issei get faster in that form, i even think that he actually got slower

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Yeah, the current AxA is not faster. Ryuuteimaru is slow cause of the huge size but it could still react to Tartarus and dodge some of his attacks (not everything though).

Also, I forgot to mention the current AxA weakness. I'll add:

Issei cannot control Ryuuteimaru properly and it consumes too much energy, making AxA last for a short period of time. Additionally, after its deactivation, Issei is left exhausted for a few days, with Ryuuteimaru rendered completely immobile for the same timespan.

 

[Antvasima]

I have to unsubscribe from this thread due to time constraints. You can notify me later via my message wall if you need my help after you have reached a conclusion.

 

[Vampire_Vamp]

Issei stomps superman

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

@Ant

Okay, I'll message you to close the thread after the changes are done.

 

[Af_review]

Vampire Vamp escribió:
Issei stomps superma
Superman has defeated sorcerers or demonic entities that can alter the universe and his speed has nothing to envy to flash.

 

[Ionliosite]

Que?

 

[Vampire_Vamp]

Vampire Vamp escribió:
Issei stomps superma

Superman has defeated sorcerers or demonic entities that can alter the universe and his speed has nothing to envy to flash.
Issei still stomps

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

No trolling or off topic comments, pls.

 

[Vampire_Vamp]

Yeah sorry I got triggered by the off topic random superman post.

 

[Vietthai96]

Yeah sorry I got triggered by the off topic random superman post.

If you want some Superman vs Issei, make a vsbattle thread

 

[Ionliosite]

Well, since no one disagrees with this, and the arguments for solid 5-B Prime Ophis has been rejected, I think this is safe to apply.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Yeah, it's been quite a while so I'll go ahead with it soon. If there's any major contradiction in the future, I'll make a thread to take them back to Unknow / 6-B.

I'll message Ant to close this when I'm done.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Alright, I'm done so I've messaged Ant to close the thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. I will do so.