Pokemon Revision Thread

[Overlord775]

I can accept reacting to Flash being an outlier. It would require humans that can react at relativistic speeds.

But humans from pokemons have multiple showing of superhuman feats, some of them were even shown to be able to fight 1v1 pokemons

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Zex They can when shown. However, each time the planet thing is shown with Seismic Toss, it is not literal.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I can accept reacting to Flash being an outlier. It would require humans that can react at relativistic speeds.

I mean...considering how Pokemon Battles work...it's not that crazy. At least for trainers.

 

[Kepekley23]

Dojo Masters in Pokemon literally beat their own Pokemon as practice

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Composite_Pokémon_Trainer

Read my blog on Pokéhumans.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Okay then.

By the way, can someone calculate the speed of this, please?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Okay then.
By the way, can someone calculate the speed of this, please?

Infinite Speed clearly.

 

[Kepekley23]

Infinite speed is not even that unreasonable for Pokéhumans, considering Hareta dodged Magical Leaf, which ignores accuracy to always hit.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Given that we reached a conclusion for Seismic Toss thanks to the clip, what's the next feat to discuss? Megas' tier?

 

[The_Calaca]

But... isn't that due to simply dodging a homing attack?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

But... isn't that due to simply dodging a homing attack?

That's the joke Calaca. ovo

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Homing attacks are by definition undodgeable

 

[NeoZex6399]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Composite_Pokémon_Trainer

AZ is the oldest trainer and is over 3000 years old and immortal.

Amazing how this guy alone created the ultimate weapon 3000 years ago.

 

[The_Calaca]

Undodgeable=/=Infinite speed AFAIK.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Given that we reached a conclusion for Seismic Toss thanks to the clip, what's the next feat to discuss? Megas' tier?

Let's streamline this.

Current Discussion: Lightspeed Pokemon attacks.

I was attempted to go with Megas just to spite Weekly. ovo

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Why would that spite me? I dont even care that much about pokemon lol

 

[Kepekley23]

But... isn't that due to simply dodging a homing attack?

thatsthejoke.jpg

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Why would that spite me? I dont even care that much about pokemon lol

Sure...I believe you.

 

[Bobsican]

Attack animations in Pokémon should not be used. Again, I'll bring the example of Moonlight for Volbeat and Umbreon, which shows a moon suddenly appearing. If taken literally, that'd mean they flipped the earth upside down. Which doesn't happen, it's just a fancy way of showing the attack.

it isn´t a moon at all, it´s literally just an orb of energy the user makes to gain even more energy to make the move properly, so it´s reliable.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Still waiting for at least one person to acknowledge my suggestion :/

 

[Kepekley23]

^ this was directed to you too, Kep.

MHS to MHS+

 

[Dark649]

Still waiting for at least one person to acknowledge my suggestion :/

Probably already did: Here is also this one calc for Charizard but was rejected.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dark That wasnt my suggestion

Someone needs to calc stuff like Rain Dance/Hail and Sunny Day, which make a horizon to horizon storm and can instantly disperse one respectively

 

[Kepekley23]

Rain Dance is only High 7-C via standard CAPE assumptions and...we'd need a clip of Sunny Day actually dispersing a storm to quantify that.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I have a question. Would Pupitar not be much stronger than Low 7-B? I mean, it is said by the Pokédex to be able to destroy mountains only by thrashing and this could potentially upgrade the Pokémon's in the second stage of evolution

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Enryu

Yes, we are just wondering how to scale them. So let's talk Mid-Stage scaling to Pupitar.

 

[Bobsican]

Is this feat notable enought?

 

[Imaginym]

It's notable, but as the Attack Potency page will tell you, even the high end's value of 35.65 Kilotons is 7-C. Funnily enough, Lanturn has a supposedly better feat calculation, according to Reddit. Problem is, it's an enormous outlier.

"Lanturn is known to emit light. If you peer down into the dark sea from a ship at night, you can sometimes see this Pokémon's light rising from the depths where it swims. It gives the sea an appearance of a starlit night."

"The light it emits is so bright that it can illuminate the sea's surface from a depth of over three miles [exactly 5 kilometers in Japanese original]"

"Yes you're reading this right, the light output of a Lanturn would have to be at least 10^105 Watts for its light to reach the surface. Each second it releases more energy than 10^35 observable universe mass energy equivalents.

So yay for Lanturn being like 3-A with Outliers? Obviously, the only Pokmon strong enough for this not to be an outlier to scale it to are Arceus & the Creation Trio & we already rate them higher than that for their own feats & statements.

Pardon me & that.

(Also, if anyone wants to verify the math in my place, or link to a blog on here that's already done so, I'd love that.)

 

[TriforcePower1]

3-A Lanturn and SoL Diglett are my two favorite outliers lol

 

[Bobsican]

Exploud seems to have some interesting pokedex entries...

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

^Funny you bring that up.

In pokémon ranger, Salamence's entry also states he can trigger earthquakes via roaring.

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

Weren't there a handful of MHS+ calcs for Roaming Legendaries on NarutoForums? That seems like a good rating for Legendaries at least.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

bump

 

[Kepekley23]

It's notable, but as the Attack Potency page will tell you, even the high end's value of 35.65 Kilotons is 7-C. Funnily enough, Lanturn has a supposedly better feat calculation, according to Reddit. Problem is, it's an enormous outlier.

"Lanturn is known to emit light. If you peer down into the dark sea from a ship at night, you can sometimes see this Pokémon's light rising from the depths where it swims. It gives the sea an appearance of a starlit night."

"The light it emits is so bright that it can illuminate the sea's surface from a depth of over three miles [exactly 5 kilometers in Japanese original]"

"Yes you're reading this right, the light output of a Lanturn would have to be at least 10^105 Watts for its light to reach the surface. Each second it releases more energy than 10^35 observable universe mass energy equivalents.

So yay for Lanturn being like 3-A with Outliers? Obviously, the only Pokmon strong enough for this not to be an outlier to scale it to are Arceus & the Creation Trio & we already rate them higher than that for their own feats & statements.

Pardon me & that.

(Also, if anyone wants to verify the math in my place, or link to a blog on here that's already done so, I'd love that.)

Yeah, we were already aware of this enormous outlier - I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this feat in some joke threads in the past.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

bump.

We still haven't decided any revisions for stats and we still have High 6-C Pokemon. What exactly are our current ratings? Gonna be.

I am pretty sure Seismic Toss is no longer accepted, but what of the light speed attacks? And what about AP and Durability? I believe this thread is not gonna help at all, it was supposed to be a place for compiling stuff, but I will create separate threads for AP and Speed.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Is Poliwrath and Doom Desire calc still valid?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

There's still a lot of feats that need to be calced before downgrades should be proposed

 

[Kepekley23]

Such as...?

 

[Bobsican]

Such as...?

 

[Dragopentling]

If anything, I think the Legendary and Mythical Pokémon should be left alone for the most part.

 

[Bobsican]

Wait, why are some profiles like Lucario changing to 7-A already? This doesn´t seem to be fully setted yet.