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[Marvel Comics] Upgrade for Marvel Stomper

Ok, but just to let clear electricity isn't her weakness, it just makes her power stop working properly.
Yes, but I was meaning to say that it counters the idea of her having a natural built-in resistance to it.

To make clear which is something I said to the other user, the size of her body doesn't necessarily fit the size of her fists, legs, feet ect as you can see in this scan here she increased the size of her feet while keeping her body normal size.
It is also why assuming her strength shifts so much with size doesn't really fit to me. I'm not against having two tiers listed for her, I think we should not assume she varies from tier 8 to tier 5 because of size, that is what I mean.

Look, Ms. Marvel rogue gallery isn't really a thing, her most constant "threat" would be the inventor which she had to defeat like 3 times maybe 4, but he isn't scalabel to her, he mostly just uses technology to attack her and when she actually reached him she basically just picks him up and takes him to the police.
Uhm, maybe instead of rogue gallery I should have said people with whom she normally trades fists with.

Also pointing out something that I had put on the op, she normally holds back, she doesn't hav ethe same amount of statements as Thor but she literally left the Avengers because they wouldn't help fix the destruction they caused during battles.
That is a good scan, you should somehow include it in the profile.

Hardly, Spider-man makes fun of all the characters he fights it's not really downplaying her just making fun of her that's why he even says "and none of her class".
He doesn't really do damage, he tries to stall her using his webbing which weirdly has feats of restraining tier 5s or pretty much anyone. Also Ms. MArvel doesn't freeze out of fear, she is fangirling over Peter it shows that if you read the comic and Spider-man doesn't really know how strong Kamala is since this was their first encounter thus the fan girling. Also Peter literally admits he his way over his head. The only damage he does was when she throws him at her which shouldn't really count since the whole point of this technique is use the other's strenght to boost the damage.
Yeah, I forgot she doesn't really freeze, my bad. But from the comic's perspective it is sort of clear that neither of the two is in Minn-Erva's class and they need to cooperate to slow her down, and Peter does all the work, even without directly hurting her in a proper sense. I don't know, if the intention of the author was to portray Kamala as strong as Minn-Erva, while assuming Peter is leagues below her, I don't really see it. She helped Peter doing a fastball special, but even then it's weird to assume there's such a difference between them, in context.

As I said before Spider people's web are pretty inconsistent, somehow it works on pretty much anyone. Also it's Kamala who is stopping his arms and body Miles and Gwen are going for his feet, and they are using webs to stuck him to the ground not actually stopping him with their own hands. Looking at Hulk it seems he is making an effort and trying to move his arms.
Spider people's inconsistence is the reason why we have to be careful with the scaling, both here and the battle above, because it is a little pretentious to discard the Spider people in both instances as inconsistencies and outliers, and assume Kamala to be instead perfectly coherent, while the two are in the same situation.

Anyway, I'm not actively against having a possibly 5-B from scaling to Super Skrull, but I'm definitely opposed to removing tier 8 altogether, since the two support feats aren't sufficiently solid to me.
 
Yes, but I was meaning to say that it counters the idea of her having a natural built-in resistance to it.
Certain resistances are very weird because having resistanc e to 100 Megavolts of energy doesnt mean becomign immune to it, so how would that work? If Ms Marvel was resistant to electricity up to X Megavolts and its it with X+10 Megavolts she would obviously be affected. The whole thing about resistant is about being higher than a human can withstand so it never made sense to me.
It is also why assuming her strength shifts so much with size doesn't really fit to me. I'm not against having two tiers listed for her, I think we should not assume she varies from tier 8 to tier 5 because of size, that is what I mean.
I mean the size of the part of the body she hits others with, and not specifically the size of her body, a 20 meters sized fist would be stronger than a normal sized fist even if her body has the same size.
Uhm, maybe instead of rogue gallery I should have said people with whom she normally trades fists with.
Most of her stories are about Kamala personally and not so much about villains or threats, most of the times she does a lot of stopping normal humans who commit crimes in Jersey City which obviously is not something we can scale her to, and the little times we see anything close to a villain it's a "1 time villain" that we don't really have anyway to scale.
That is a good scan, you should somehow include it in the profile.
You mean add a note saying she holds back?
Yeah, I forgot she doesn't really freeze, my bad. But from the comic's perspective it is sort of clear that neither of the two is in Minn-Erva's class and they need to cooperate to slow her down, and Peter does all the work, even without directly hurting her in a proper sense. I don't know, if the intention of the author was to portray Kamala as strong as Minn-Erva, while assuming Peter is leagues below her, I don't really see it. She helped Peter doing a fastball special, but even then it's weird to assume there's such a difference between them, in context.
BTW that's not a fastball special it's a slingshot manuever, irrelevant. The comic clearly shows that Minn-Erva is stronger and more powerful, but I think it at least makes it out that Kamala has some power that can dowscale from her otherwise she would have been defeated almost instantly, and Kamala and spidey's goal is about to protect the cacoon rather than defeat Minn-Erva that is left very clear. She is shown to be capable of withstanding an attack from her and to fight her while spiderman is handling the cacoon, and again showing Kamala holding back Minn-Erva from actually killing spidey, the only thing he can do is blind her with the cacoon, little after Minn-Erva uses eye beams that instanly throw Spiderman out of combat with it's aftershock, while Kamala is showing withstanding the beams directly
Spider people's inconsistence is the reason why we have to be careful with the scaling, both here and the battle above, because it is a little pretentious to discard the Spider people in both instances as inconsistencies and outliers, and assume Kamala to be instead perfectly coherent, while the two are in the same situation.
The comic clearly indicates she is stronger than she is, the comic acknowledges that Minn-erva is relative to Ms. Marvel which is much strongert than Spidey, I think the comic clearly wants to show Spider is weaker while Kamala is still weaker but somehow relative.
Anyway, I'm not actively against having a possibly 5-B from scaling to Super Skrull, but I'm definitely opposed to removing tier 8 altogether, since the two support feats aren't sufficiently solid to me.
I never intended to have tier 8 removed but I don't like the ideia of her just upscaling from tier 8 when they aren't even a threat to her.
Well, it is a spirit-copy. We likely do not know how powerful it is compared to the original. 🙏
It's made with the soul stone so should at least be comparable with their weakest version, also he made a thanos figure which can take attacks from Thor and Captain Marvel at the same time.
 
Yes, I am not denyind that they are powerful. I am just saying that we do not know how powerful they are intended to be within this story. 🙏
This is a tie in to infinity watch storyline where this character was created to, he doesn't even have enough stories to be "inconsistent" and being a tie in to this event means the writer is well aware of what's happening in this event which would include the comic I mentioned earlier which by the way was his first appearance.
 
Yes, and scaling from a character with very few appearances that establish his power level makes this even more vague and undefined, so I stand by my rejection of scaling from that particular feat. My apologies. 🙏
 
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