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Rayquza in base has fought Deoxys, which means he's comparable to Base Mewtwo.
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Pokemon Related: Some Anime / Games materials scaling to 4-B
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wait what whenIonliosite said:
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Movie 7. Deoxys actually is the weird one here.
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oh
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@TruBK98
why? Absorbing a star is 4C. Solgaleo is 4B. That's like adding the justification of "blowing up mountains with his aura alone" to characters like Perfect Cell or Buu. I mean, you're not wrong, but it's not really necessary to add something like that
why? Absorbing a star is 4C. Solgaleo is 4B. That's like adding the justification of "blowing up mountains with his aura alone" to characters like Perfect Cell or Buu. I mean, you're not wrong, but it's not really necessary to add something like that
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hmmm ok
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Is anyone else still considering the possibility of Game Sun/Moon [Elite Four to Champion Level] being 4-B ? I know we are talking about Ash but here I am worrying about if that conversation just go hakai'd truly and utterly.
Kahunas are stated to be capable of fending off Ultra Beasts comparable to Deities alongside the Tapus, as shown in one of the profiles on the UBs , but the fact they can hold their own still warrant it.The Protagonist holds back and or several 4-B Legends in story [in the game where the original games had the tier 4 feats] in rapid succession [Sogaleo, Lunala, Necrozma,Necrozma possessing either Sogaleo or Lunala, then Ultra Necrozma] . We even defeat UBs mid-story after being essentially superior to the Trials, who as shown in the Manga are essentially are roughly in the same tier level. For crying out loud it is directly stated Tapu Koko considers us a rival after beating the Trials.
Every single legendary fight in that game who was 4-B was clearly not a stomp and we could hold our own, and wasn't a situation where capturing was available, meaning the only reason our team could even logically even do anything is if they fought the Legends w/o attempting capture. We also have a 4-B level Sivally as a rival we have to defeat: Before the Kahunas and is considered merely Champion Level with Sivally as a Rematch alongside Kukui when he was obviously far stronger, proving Pokemon comparable to Sivally aren't considered to be the ultimate power no one can possibly scale to.
Who would scale ? Again, only people who are E4 to Champion Level. Battle Legend Red counts because in that Universe [unknown if it applies to whole of Game canon] Champion level trainers are explicitly stated to rival or match Ultra Beasts as shown in both Ultra Sun and regular Sun, and because they are considered above what the Champion level trainers are capable of in a similar manner to most Battle Tree. Champion Defender participants scale as well.
Kahunas are stated to be capable of fending off Ultra Beasts comparable to Deities alongside the Tapus, as shown in one of the profiles on the UBs , but the fact they can hold their own still warrant it.The Protagonist holds back and or several 4-B Legends in story [in the game where the original games had the tier 4 feats] in rapid succession [Sogaleo, Lunala, Necrozma,Necrozma possessing either Sogaleo or Lunala, then Ultra Necrozma] . We even defeat UBs mid-story after being essentially superior to the Trials, who as shown in the Manga are essentially are roughly in the same tier level. For crying out loud it is directly stated Tapu Koko considers us a rival after beating the Trials.
Every single legendary fight in that game who was 4-B was clearly not a stomp and we could hold our own, and wasn't a situation where capturing was available, meaning the only reason our team could even logically even do anything is if they fought the Legends w/o attempting capture. We also have a 4-B level Sivally as a rival we have to defeat: Before the Kahunas and is considered merely Champion Level with Sivally as a Rematch alongside Kukui when he was obviously far stronger, proving Pokemon comparable to Sivally aren't considered to be the ultimate power no one can possibly scale to.
Who would scale ? Again, only people who are E4 to Champion Level. Battle Legend Red counts because in that Universe [unknown if it applies to whole of Game canon] Champion level trainers are explicitly stated to rival or match Ultra Beasts as shown in both Ultra Sun and regular Sun, and because they are considered above what the Champion level trainers are capable of in a similar manner to most Battle Tree. Champion Defender participants scale as well.
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I'm not opposed to it, if only because it wouldn't make since to beat Gladion multiple times before you catch Nebbie otherwise.
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Yeah that's the major bulk of my argument . He quite literally uses Sivally and unlocks it well before the E4, and yet several times in the story we defeat him using it , despite the story heavilly showing Gladion definitely isn't holding back his Sivally otherwise the rivalry wouldn't make much sense with him constantly stating [I'll get stronger than you/Find a way to win/I'll come back to beat you] if [He has a pokemon superior to us by an immeasurable amount], and time & time again we are told Sivally can face Ultra Beasts in battle and win. So...
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I feel this is also something we need to discussSuperKamiNappa said:
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I feel this is also something we need to discuss
Why? That's already taken into account on the profile.
Why? That's already taken into account on the profile.
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Is it in the linked respect thread? Cause I'm not seeing it
The wording on Deoxys justification makes it look like it scales from Mega Ray
The wording on Deoxys justification makes it look like it scales from Mega Ray
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Then base Rayquaza and Mewtwo should backscale from the possibly 4-B Mega Rayquaza right?
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At this rate every legendary is going to be 4-B
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Mega Rayquaza absolutely stomped Deoxys, with Deoxys only holding up due to regen, so he totally doesn't scale to him.
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To be fair, regen by itself doesn't save you from someone multiple tiers above you. Deoxys wouldve been instantly obliterated the second they fought if he wasn't comparable at all.
But regardless, we don't scale Deoxys to Mega Ray in anything but speed.
But regardless, we don't scale Deoxys to Mega Ray in anything but speed.
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Then Deoxys's profile should be updated so that his fight Mega Ray isn't in his AP justification. Plus again I don't see Rayquaza's profile referencing their fight with in the movie. It looks like his speed in base is completely unjustified.
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Yeah, I agree Deoxys' profile should be changed so it says he's comparable to Base Rayquaza, not Mega.
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If no one else wants to do it, and their profiles aren't locked, I can update Deoxys and Rayquaza's profiles when I get off work.
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How does this look?
Deoxys
Attack Potency: Planet level (Fought Mewtwo and Rayquaza. Controls the planet busting Grand Meteor Delta), higher in Attack Form
Rayquaza
Attack Potency: Planet level (Overwhelmed both Primal Groudo and Primal Kyogre 1,000 years ago. Fought Deoxys on equal footing.)
Deoxys
Attack Potency: Planet level (Fought Mewtwo and Rayquaza. Controls the planet busting Grand Meteor Delta), higher in Attack Form
Rayquaza
Attack Potency: Planet level (Overwhelmed both Primal Groudo and Primal Kyogre 1,000 years ago. Fought Deoxys on equal footing.)
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That's much more accurate, yeah.
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I would of liked to post a video of the fight from Destiny Deoxys to replace the video of the fight from Generations but I can't find one that isn't an amv
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