It is when a feat is quntillions to infinity above anything the serie had showcased
It isn't when what's showcased isn't the upper limit of the characters involved.
There's a BIG difference between high end feats and feats that makes completly no sense to the setting of the serie in any shape or form
Which is only your opinion and not something you can actually back up. Meanwhile, said scaling and setting of the series, a series mind you that has undergone very significant changes in power and scale as of recent, makes it make a lot of sense.
And it's only being blocked by the desperate cop out defense called "Outlier" that's overused to death on this site. Take that away and you have nothing to battle with here.
Which, again, isn't accepted here. You think you were the first one to bring this up for him? Again, yours truly brought this and generations up the first time I tried gunning for Deoxys to scale to Mega Ray's AP. And it was disagreed with in the end for it's much too little.
So again, get this accepted in a CRT first or it's a total non-argument here.
Litteral missinformation since they always shown as rivals and equals
anyway, don't need a CTR, this ia CTR, sooooo, that will be removed
Ah yes, here's the "this is a CRT so its fine to argue it here" defense when presented with a point they can't get away from. No, this is a CRT about the recent upgrades.
Not Deoxys. The latter's case is derailing, so take him to his own thread if you want any luck of getting the current scaling for him revised. Which I highly doubt you'd be able to do compared to previous attempts.
And you'd be wrong anyway as they aren't presented as equals in anything that isn't a speed contest. Mega Ray one shotted Deoxys in the manga. His hyper beam, which you referenced for me earlier, pierced through him easily. And considering the fact that Deoxys has outright been vaporized by a
Base Rayquaza in one of their fights, scaling him to Mega Ray is even more ridiculous than it already is.
which makes no sense since the scene it's from is canon
And?
and neither does a rnadom infinity statement from an unrelated thing entirely help yours in any way
Which would be....?
Proof that they are casual ? Because they VERY much don't look like it to me
Rayquaza fodderizing Deoxys's meteor and then stomping him seconds later without batting an eye for example. Or you know, Xerneas's feat that it literally does by just...existing.
I don't really care if they don't look casual to you, what matters is if you can prove it isn't from your PoV.
And how so?
Stop that that attitude of intrensic superiority
It's not an attitude of "superiority" when it's as what I've said. No offense intended, but these arguments are terrible and are borderline just complaints. Better actual arguments against the upgrades were made in the upgrade thread. And your's truly, along with several other people who are in this thread as well, addressed them when getting these upgrades accepted.
Literally your whole case here hinges on one thing. "Outliers". And having to use stuff that we don't even accept here as a means to give it some kind of small leg to stand on against the upgrades, for without this argument, this thread becomes meaningless as the end result.
also, we have no proof that 50% Zygarde was going to fight the UBs in the games, for all we know it's plan is more likely it to have gone 100% since it was gathering all its cells to Alola.
Nitpicking. The games specify that Zygarde in general came to Alola to fight off the BUs, nothing specifically says it only applies to 100%. And we don't need to sit here playing guessing games on this as Adventures already gives us the blatant answer that it isn't just 100% on their level.
Hell, even the doggo and cell forms have feats closer to their level (scaring off a horde of Nihilego's and the cells tanking attacks from Lunala at point blank range without getting disected). We could've opted in making Zygarde as a whole on the level of the UB's, but instead, we already go with something much safer that fits in the context, statements and evidence presented to us for him. That 50% and 100% are on the level of the Gen 7 legendaries.
Especially since, again, 50% is literally half of Perfect Zygarde's power, so by that virtue alone, he downscales.
also also, you completly ignore the fact the serie is inconsistent as heck, so scaling because of one instance is not enough proof
First off, stop with this "one instance" nonsense, because its a very damning understatement of what the evidence here actually gives. This isn't at all a "one instance". This is something that's literally been
contextually built up for Zygarde in Gen 7, and by a great margin. The games specify his leaving of Kalos and coming to Alola to fight the UBs. The manga does the same thing, and goes deeper with giving several key point confirmations of Zygarde being on the level of these legendaries. And you don't even need to take my word for it.
The literal feats themselves prove so.
This is something that has been built up and alluded to for quite a while in Gen 7, this isn't something that's random or coming out of nowhere in any way, shape or form. Trying to pass it off like that as a desperate attempt to reject it is ludicrious.
Secondly, you can save it with your "series is inconsistent" defense, because it's not going to fly here. For one, every verse has inconsistent scaling. Every single one. But we aren't about to just randomly null any well supported upgrade based off nothing but incredulity. And Pokemon isn't an exception to this. We know very well the verse has inconsistent scaling, all the way to the literal god tiers not being immune to it. But we treat stuff as inconsistent
when we have reason to do so. And there's absolutely no reason to do so here when everything under the sun says otherwise on that.
Things being inconsistent =/= everything is inconsistent.
And quite frankly, it's laughable you call something that is given a multitude of supporting feats, on top of context and statements already pointing in that direction, inconsistent when it's ironically much more consistent than the amount of "lower end" things these guys have. And I quote "lower end" due to there being no actual lower ends.
