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Still not big on this fragmented form of revising these...
That aside, game final evos are 6-C via Abomasnow, not High 7-A
That aside, game final evos are 6-C via Abomasnow, not High 7-A
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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc
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koopa3144
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Oh, I thought 6-C only scaled to final evos that appear in X and Y like the Abomasnow calc says.
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Game versions of final evolved Pokemon in general, sorry if my wording wasn't clear
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MASSIVE Pokémon profile revisions! (5 profile revisions!)
So I make some more Pokémon profile revisions, 3 starters and 2 others necessary for scaling. Charizard New profile Old profile Cubone New profile Old profile Greninja New profile Old profile Abomasnow New profile Old profile Decidueye New profile Old profile Yeah that's all ig- Agree...
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Evolution stages
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So like Bulbasaur and Charmander and equal, and Venusaur and Charizard are equal
But what about Pokemon like Lucario who has only 2 evolutions?
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It's treated case-by-case, essentially.
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As of about 20 minutes ago, it has begun. Surprisingly late, but oh well. Maybe I miscalculated?
For now, it's just the commentators talking. I assume tech set up & stuff need to happen; Even at regular VGC Events, there can often be around 45 minutes before a match is shown on stream.
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About 20 minutes ago from THIS post, they finally begun their 1st stream match. UI is also different from the usual. There was also a disconnect. I wonder what their tech support is doing.
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Very interesting info on the in-game AI in Gen 1s, 2 & 3.
Note this info from the description:
Gen 1 AI Writeups https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/gameboy/367023-pokemon-red-version/faqs/64175/ai
Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow Trainer AI - Pokemon Speedruns
wiki.pokemonspeedruns.com
Gen 2 AI Writeups
Gen 3 AI Writeups
*This info is from the Emerald Kaizo romhack, but aside from changing some moves and adding others, the AI works as it does in the vanilla game for Gen 3.
AI Move Choice Analysis - Emerald Kaizo
Emerald Kaizo AI Analysis There are 13 AI flags in base Emerald. Only six of these are used on enemy trainers, the other eight are either unused or used in special circumstances such as the safari zone so will not be covered. The flags that an AI uses are noted in the master sheet by a number in...
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Move Choice AI Scoring
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Non-KO Switching
Introduction The AI's logic for if it should switch out mid turn is for the most part relatively straightforward. For logic on what a standard switch is, refer to the normal switching logic doc. If the pokemon is trapped, it will not attempt to switch out. Due to an oversight Arena Trap is seen...
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Emerald AI Switching Logic
Summary: If any of the AI's pokemon have a move that is SE on the player's pokemon, pick the pokemon that has the worst defensive typing for the player's current pokemon. If none of their mons have a SE move pick the pok emon in the AI's party with the move with the best type effectiveness, if ...
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(On a related note, I hate how YT truncates long urls, & turns all urls into redirects.)
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Apparently, the guy who took a Hyper Beam from Lance's Dragonite is a Black Belt -based on spriting- & he has an appearance in Pokemon Masters: Ex.
"A long time ago... when I was still a security guard for the gift shop... A frighteningly strong opponent... but it was because of that that I decided to reach the top! But I'm still scared of Hyper Beam!"
So uhhh, yeah? IIRC, games are canon to Masters, but Masters isn't canon to games.
Still, his sprite in HG/SS helps identify him as a Black Belt.
This'd suggest more humans scaling to Pokemon. Although, Black Belts often have the stronger physical feats among NPCs. The upper limits, I suppose?
The Masters Ex dialogue, for what it's worth, indicates that he found Lance/Lance's Dragonite "frighteningly strong" to the point that, although it did inspire him to train to be stronger, years later, he's still scared of the move that hit him.
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List of Trainer's Eye Trainers - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia
I took notice of this.
Some interesting sections from it:
| Psychic Cameron | Route 123 | Daze and confuse! | Ones with weird powers. | I can see through exactly what you're thinking!RSE I can see through everything you're thinking.ORAS |
| Battle Girl Cyndy | Route 115 | The first strike wins! | Speedy Fighting type.RSE Speedy Fighting types.ORAS | If my Pokémon lose, I'll carry on the fight!RSE If my Pokémon lose, I'll carry on the fight myself!ORAS |
| Elite Four Drake | Ever Grande CityRSE Pokémon LeagueORAS | Harness strong abilities.RSE Harnessing the strongest stats.ORAS | The raw power of Dragons!RSE The latent power of Dragon types!ORAS | I dedicate myself to the Pokémon that saved me.RSE I battle every day to understand and be understood by my Pokémon.ORAS |
| Elite Four Glacia | Ever Grande CityRSE Pokémon LeagueORAS | I use items for help.RSE I make use of items to assist in battle.ORAS | Flaming passion in icy cold.RSE Flaming passion in icy cold!ORAS | The Ice-type can be better trained in this hot land.RSE The Ice type can be trained to greater levels because of the heat here.ORAS |
| Triathlete Isaiah | Route 128 | Exploit the environment! | All hail the Water type! | I won't be beaten by some beach bum Swimmer!RSE I won't be beaten by any beach-bum Swimmer!ORAS |
| Psychic JackiRSE | Route 123 | Battle at full power. | Pokémon of many mysteries. | When we spoke, I was really using telepathy. |
| Old Couple John & Jay | Meteor Falls | Our love lets us prevail. | We've had them for years. | Married 50 years, we've devotedly raised Pokémon.RSE Married 50 years—we've had plenty of experience raising Pokémon together!ORAS |
| Ace Duo Jude & RoryORAS | Victory Road | We make an exquisite combination. | Anything is fine as long as it's strong. | Strongest combination? Right here! |
| Triathlete KatelynRSE | Route 128 | All-out offensive! | Water Pokémon rule! | I must swim over 6 miles every day. |
| Leader Tate&LizaRS Mystic Duo Tate&LizaE Leader Liza & TateORAS | Mossdeep City | We battle in cooperation.RSE We battle in cooperation!ORAS | Always friendly Pokémon.RSE Pokémon that are always friendly!ORAS | We understand each other, and we understand others.RS Papa has trouble telling the two of us apart!E We can read each others' minds—and the minds of our opponents, too.ORAS |
| Fairy Tale Girl MomoORAS | Mt. Pyre | I leave that up to my Pokémon. | Fairy types, I guess. | I love Pokémon. It's people I'm no good with. |
| Ace Trainer NevilleORAS | Route 108 | I just let myself go with the flow. | Pokémon that know Surf. | I'm a Trainer who likes to splash about drifting in the troughs between waves. |
| Black Belt Nob | Route 115 | Grand slam pummeling! | Fighting type.RSE Fighting types.ORAS | Not to brag, but I can bust ten roof tiles!RSE Not to brag, but I can bust through 10 bricks with my fists!ORAS |
| Leader NormanRSORAS Reliable One DadE | Petalburg City | I flexibly adapt my style. | Grown in a balanced manner.RSE Those grown in a balanced manner.ORAS | Pokémon are my life. My chosen path is harsh...RS I walk the 30 minutes from home to here every day.E I've chosen to dedicate my life to Pokémon, but the road is hard...ORAS |
| Elite Four Phoebe | Ever Grande CityRSE Pokémon LeagueORAS | Confuse and confound.RSE Confuse and confound opponents.ORAS | There's nothing definite.RSE It's hard to pin them down.ORAS | I wonder how my grandma at Mt. Pyre is doing?RSE I wonder how my grandma is doing at Mt. Pyre.ORAS |
| Ace Trainer PortiaORAS | Route 109 | A stable kind of battling. | Large Pokémon that I can ride on. | I get "surfsick" real easy, but even when feeling bad, I'm not too shabby. |
| Sis and Bro Rita & SamRS Sis and Bro Lila & RoyE Sis & Bro Rita & SamORAS | Route 124 | We split our duties.RSE We each take a different role!ORAS | We like friendly Pokémon.RSE We like friendly Pokémon!ORAS | We enjoy Pokémon together as sister and brother.RSE We enjoy our Pokémon together as siblings!ORAS |
| Elite Four Sidney | Ever Grande CityRSE Pokémon LeagueORAS | Offense over defense!RSE The best defense is a good offense!ORAS | The Dark side's beauties.RSE The aesthetics of the Dark side!ORAS | They said I was a punk, but I'm one of the Elite Four!RSE You can talk all you want—all that matters is how strong I am, right?ORAS |
| PokéManiac SteveRSE Poké Maniac SteveORAS | Route 114 | Wrestle down with power.RSE I'll pin you down with power...ORAS | Took all night to catch.RSE It took me all night to catch it...ORAS | Big, burly, and buff Pokémon are the best...RSE Big, burly, and buff Pokémon are the best for me...ORAS |
It's apparently an Aron. Route 114 is right outside Meteor Falls, but Aron is normally found in Granite Cave near Dewford Town, relatively far away. Did Steve catch it a while ago? Either way, if it took "all night", is that a credit to the human or the Pokemon? At least Aron, despite being only 40 cm, is 60 kg, so it kinda fits the "burly & buff" part, even if not the "big" part.
| Champion StevenRSORAS Hard as Rock StevenE | UnknownRSE Pokémon LeagueORAS | Pick on the foe's weakness.RS Attack the weak points!E Strike enemies where they're weakest!ORAS | The ultimate Steel Pokémon.RS Ultimate Steel Pokémon.E The ultimate Steel-type Pokémon.ORAS | When it comes down to it, I'm still the strongest!RS I'm the strongest and most energetic after all!E When it comes down to it, I'm just the strongest there is right now.ORAS |
| Hex Maniac Valerie | Mt. Pyre | Slow, steady suffering. | Scary to meet at night.RSE Ones you'd be afraid to meet at night.ORAS | I see things that others can't see...RSE I see things that no one else seems to see...ORAS |
Why did the remake make it sound like he uses his living Pokemon for his bed instead of just a bed designed around Pokemon?
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Are the FRLG League rematches considered canon or useable for scaling? Because if so then Clair, the Johto League and potentially that Black Belt all maybe have High 6-A scaling from Mewtwo. A nameless Black Belt being Mewtwo level seems pretty silly though, especially if we go with the assumption that his strength should equal his durability.
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Unsure.
In theory, that Black Belt could just be called an outlier. The only known history he has after it, aside from fleeing after the attack, is in something not canon to the main games.
IDK if the Elite Four are equal to Legendaries. Might be a topic worth more discussion.
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That might be for the best tbh.
I believe they’d still be scaling to the Tower Duo due to HGSS (Which might be another reason why we should ignore the Hyper Beam moment lol).
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Question, how do the balms in Legends Arceus work? Their purpose is to calm down the frenzying bosses, however they’re also used against Arceus itself which obviously isn’t berserk or anything. Also when you deplete its “HP” the battle just kinda ends. Is Arceus just arbitrarily deciding to stop at a certain point or something?
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The Balms in the Arceus fight are probably it's way of giving you a 'weapon' based on your experiences in the adventure, and it's giving you a final challenge. It ends the fight by more or less giving you a pat on the back and saying 'good job', so seemingly all of it was arranged by Arceus to give you a chance to 'win'.
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Wassup guys
Do me a favour and recommend me some great nds/gba rom hacks.
Do me a favour and recommend me some great nds/gba rom hacks.
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Nintendo Direct - Archive - Nintendo Official Site
The online home for exclusive Nintendo news — broadcast directly to you, the player.
www.nintendo.com
Less than 6 hours left until it starts!
You'll be able to watch via their Youtube streams, probably their Twitch streams, & if you don't like that, I'm sure there will be no shortage of unofficial streamers/reacters covering the event.
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Less than 1 hour left!
"A Nintendo Direct is on the way! Watch the livestream starting at 7:00 AM PT on 6/18 for around 40 minutes focused on Nintendo Switch games coming in the second half of 2024. There will be no mention of the Nintendo Switch successor during this presentation."Nintendo Direct - Archive - Nintendo Official Site
The online home for exclusive Nintendo news — broadcast directly to you, the player.
Less than 6 hours left until it starts!
You'll be able to watch via their Youtube streams, probably their Twitch streams, & if you don't like that, I'm sure there will be no shortage of unofficial streamers/reacters covering the event.
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Is anyone else working on profiles for the protagonists of the games?
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Haha! Look at what was just posted on The Game Theorists YouTube channel. 
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Haha! Look at what was just posted on The Game Theorists YouTube channel.
That debate's still ongoing?!
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By the way, would anyone be willing to do work on Tsareena's profile, please?
In particular, adding its previous evolutionary stages to its profile, which it currently lacks the details of?
In particular, adding its previous evolutionary stages to its profile, which it currently lacks the details of?
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Haha! Look at what was just posted on The Game Theorists YouTube channel.
Sure, I'll add them to the list of Pokémon profiles I'll remake soon.
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Say, actually started using the online features of Scarlet now and tried my luck in Wonder Trade for kicks. I've been receiving a lot of hacked shiny level 100 Pokemon with perfect stats promoting Pokemon forging sites. Literally, their nicknames are "www.piratedpokémon.yarr" or something like that. And then when looking around at online trades, it's surprisingly easy to find people trading shiny legendaries with perfect IVs as well, including event Pokemon. These... are all hacked right? I mean, not pointing fingers or anything, anyone can play the game however they prefer, but I personally rather to avoid using cheats and all.
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They’re all hacked. Release them as soon as you get them so they don’t permeate the economy.
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never seen mewtwo come back from being down by 1000+ points at halftime, just saying
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Yeah, it was pretty weird. Surprising just how many they are and how easy they are to come across and it's not like they ask for that much in return or anything.
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NEW POKEMON BATTLE ROYALE ANIMATION VIDEO OUT!!!
Like previous battle royales, this one is a collaboration between TerminalMontage & Lockstin & Gnoggin. Lockstin & Gnoggin did most of the analysis, so a lot of the conclusions are indeed from Lockstin & Gnoggin, & so you can see the given expanation(s) here:
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I want to help you, but I lack the means to play S/V.
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That explanation video was pretty lackluster I have to say, they basically give all Future Paradox this odd weakness against sound based on nothing at all and Scream Tail have this weird almost nuclear level of sonic scream, also definitely outdated because he said that Raging Bolt wasn't noteworthy in competitive, which is an obvious lie as it's really good in VGC
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Seems interesting. Might also do Wailord and Glalie/Froslass as well since they seem to have a similar problem
Also would anyone be interested in checking this out?
The Unovan Ghost Type Overhaul (Golurk and Chandelure updates. Jellicent and Yamask profile creation)
After being told about the outdated state of some Pokémon profiles and looking through some of them, I can't help but agree. Some of them straight up have yet to have to have their AP updated, some do not have their regional forms added, and some have odd empty sections. I'll see how much I can...
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Y'know I was thinking about our current LS situation and I kinda have an idea. Throwing things should technically constitute for LS, right? After all, you do still need to lift or even just hold said object before throwing it (Which means they're not like, striking at it).
With that in-mind, can we just use Seismic Toss or Circle Throw on some really heavy mon like Cosmoem (Who is almost a ton) as justification for at least Class 1? I do know that Riolu can learn Circle Throw and Machop can learn Seismic Toss naturally so even if we find better feats, we at least have a good LS feat for the babies and first-stagers
With that in-mind, can we just use Seismic Toss or Circle Throw on some really heavy mon like Cosmoem (Who is almost a ton) as justification for at least Class 1? I do know that Riolu can learn Circle Throw and Machop can learn Seismic Toss naturally so even if we find better feats, we at least have a good LS feat for the babies and first-stagers
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Pokémon is really a disaster in this site, like why does profiles about WILD Pokémon said that the WILD Pokémon are assumed to have perfect IVs and EVs, those are things that wild Pokémon can't normally have without the action of trainers, also them knowing every egg move or tutoring move is really questionable
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Interesting.
Though, if we separate Striking Strength from Lifting Strength to say that any Pokemon can throw Cosmoem, then I'm not sure we can readily use Evolutionary Stage comparability to justify that they "Should be able to throw Cosmoem, which weighs 999.9 kg", especially when it's unlikely for any Pokemon to have encountered or battled one, as it's mostly a Pokemon from another world; There isn't much evidence suggesting there are wild Cosmoem, for other Pokemon to battle. I'm not sure how the Max Raid Den Solgaleo/Lunala appear, nor the Snacksworth ones, but Lunala & Solgaleo canonically have the appeal to open wormholes to other "worlds", be that far away or other unierses.
Also hindering comparability scaling for it is that Cosmoem is the 2nd stage of a Legendary/Ultra Beast Evolutionary line.
On the topic, Cosmog has its own feat, although its mostly Environmental Destruction that may be worth looking into:
Cosmog's Storm
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....Though it may need to be checked again & possibly updated in case time has affected standards.
Pokemon are a species.
It does so so that the participants in Versus Threads can be at their best, like we do for other profiles.
If we put Android Saga Goku in a battle, we wouldn't default to throwing him in when he's tired or hungry or already interested or when he's on the verge of a heart attack, unless the Opening Post deviated from the Standard Battle Assumptions by independently specifying as such.
& it is not impossible for a Pokemon to have fully Perfect IVs.
& EVs are Effort Values, obtainable by defeating other Pokemon, something we assume a Pokemon would do anyway; It's likely a player convenience or a product of the catching system that Pokemon have 0 EVs when obtained, given the limit on how many EVs can be distributed to an individual Pokemon, Gens 1 & 2 aside.
OR/AS has a feature where Wild Pokemon are shown to be able to be found knowing Egg Moves.
Tutoring is questionable, though. At best, it was released after being taught Tutor Moves.
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