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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

For Koraidon and Miraidon, it can be translated as "the earth," "the ground," and "the land" like in the English translation.

So probably nothing big there. We're still working with the same statement pretty much
 
Something that made me curious:
For the AI Professor's first Pokemon, we see the ball come out of the "time machine", shake & then indicate the Pokemon was caught.
Except this happens immediately after denying a shutdown command & reinitializing.
There's no way that Master Ball was just drifting in time-space or whatever, waiting all that time for the AI professor to come back, only to THEN catch a Pokemon &/or do the shake to indicate the Pokemon was caught.
& if the Paradox Pokemon really are created from imaginings, rather than temporally displaced, then that means the "time machine" created & caught/registered Pokemon on the fly right after reinitalizing itself.
We don't see where their other balls come from, so it's ambiguous if this is done again, but....

It could mean that an AI Professor profile, with the "time machine", could, in theory, have access to an infinite supply of Paradox Pokemon.
 
The most interesting part is that depending on how GF explains it, it could be possible to make any type combination for any Pokémon ever

Teras may just be a temporary version of that
 
Sniper670 said:
The most interesting part is that depending on how GF explains it, it could be possible to make any type combination for any Pokémon ever

Teras may just be a temporary version of that
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If the "Time Machine" ends up being a Pokemon.... Well, it certainly will be interesting.
Frankly, it drives me nuts & makes me wonder just how behind schedule they were with all the glitches; 1 of the first trailers had a crystal-motif wipe to end it, which in retrospect, seems like it was meant to foreshadow something crystal-related being important.

In theory, that COULD be interpreted as just Terastallization foreshadowing, but....
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Area Zero journals

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We've determined that this energy crystallization is linked to the being we call ▊▊▊▊▊▊.
The interlocking hexagonal plates that comprise ▊▊▊▊▊▊'s shell must somehow cause this phenomenon—which I've dubbed "Terastallizing."
There's a lot more to go over, but the "third Legendary", or the "disc Pokemon"/"being" already has at least a couple of good abilities that could be ascribed to it, & I'm not just talking about from Terastallization.
 
The time machine isn't a Pokémon. The energy of the Third Legendary is what is used to power the time machine. I guess that explains the weird paradox stuff.
The Third Legendary is intriguing at the very least. I hope GF goes ballistic, like the ending of the game.
What abilities do you mean?

Also, there was someone who spoke with Heath. It's interesting that is was someone and not a Pokémon. Pretty sus imo. Could be the Third Legendary doing
A Phantom Memory
During our exploration of Area Zero’s depths, I—Heath—strayed\nfrom the team and was later found unconscious. When awoken, I could only recall speaking with someone in an unfamiliar place, as if in a dream. I was found holding the page shown here. The handwriting is my own, but I have no memory of writing this.
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And there were strange writings deep within Area Zero that was beyond modern science.
During our descent into Area Zero, we came across a buried metal plate inscribed with a strange symbol. We attempted to shave off a piece of the plate but failed to leave even a scratch. Even determining the nature of the metal seems beyond modern science. We know not why the inscription was made, let alone how.
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All in all, I'm hyped for what's waiting for us in DLC
 
Sniper670 said:
The time machine isn't a Pokémon. The energy of the Third Legendary is what is used to power the time machine. I guess that explains the weird paradox stuff.
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How do you figure?
Sniper670 said:
The Third Legendary is intriguing at the very least. I hope GF goes ballistic, like the ending of the game.
What abilities do you mean?
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Someone who spoke with Heath? Does the game say &/or show who? Also, when you say that it's interesting that it was someone & not a Pokemon, do you mean whoever spoke to Heath?
Sniper670 said:
All in all, I'm hyped for what's waiting for us in DLC
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Same.

EDIT: Whoops didn't see the quotes in your post.
Also, where did you get those quotes?
 
Regarding the contents of "A Phantom Memory", I think it was done by the 3rd Legendary, which I think is the "Time Machine". The thing that drops out a Master Ball from seemingly nowhere with a Paradox Pokemon already in it; As I mentioned earlier, I don't think time travel makes sense for the ball appearing & being mid-shake to catch a Paradox Pokemon as soon as the system is reinitialized.

Someone on the expedition was put into a dreamlike, unfamiliar place & was then found unconscious, with the writing about The Disc Pokemon.
Whatever or whoever it was, I doubt it was human; The Paldean empire was funding expeditions into Area Zero for 1,000 years to the point it brought about their downfall. Their motivation was supposedly to find treasures or power to stand up against their neighbouring countries & such, but power in the Pokemon world tends to be Pokemon.
This coupled with no one returning alive means even back then, Area Zero was likely known as full of powerful Pokemon, & the idea of humans living there is very unlikely; The Pokemon we know to be there are too aggressive & dangerous, & nobody came back from it alive.
It was this dangerous a milennia ago, & from what we know, it seemed too dangerous 200 years ago.
Not to mention powers like that usually aren't held by Pokemon humans, much less with humans described in such vague & obfuscating terms.

Logically, I don't think there's any way the stray expeditioner's mysterious encounter was with a human. Even a Pokemon world Psychic human seems like a remote possibility.

"During our descent into Area Zero, we came across a buried metal plate inscribed with a strange symbol. We attempted to shave off a piece of the plate but failed to leave even a scratch. Even determining the nature of the metal seems beyond modern science. We know not why the inscription was made, let alone how."

About this, it's:

A. Foreshadowing for a machine or something being incredibly strong. Except we don't know how or where else this metal was used.
B. Foreshadowing that it's a creation. This is an impossibly hard metal, yet it's been chiseled, ostensibly with tech predating 200 years ago. How could anyone from that long ago make & chisel a symbol something so artificial as a tablet when it should be too strong for their tech?

It's possible the expedition team's 200 year old tech just didn't have the stuff to scratch a super-metal, but it still brings up the question of how anyone could make or access it, as well as chisel it.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was another paradoxical creation, but I can believe the tablets at least, are not.
 
Y'know.
I'm gonna dive in & try & gather what info we have on that "being" so far.

If you don't know about it:

If you can't watch Youtube, there's already a scan of a pertinent page online.


Heath's expedition team speculated the "strange light" from the crystals is the "guardian" of the treasures, deep in the crater. Reading other parts of the Scarlet/Violet Book indicate that Paradox Pokemon get more common the deeper one goes.

bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net

Area Zero journals

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Terastallizing is energy crystallization is linked to a "being" with shells comprised of interlocking hexagonal plates.
Admittedly, the time machine's glowy crystal walls are not hexagonal, they're made of triangles, but the floor pillars it rises up & puts the professor on (& I think also the rings?) are. & some of the lab walls seem hexagonal, or feature hexagon patterns....

Crystals have tremendous power & make the experiments more unstable.

Add on how obsessed the professor was with creating a "paradox" they indicate would be filled with Pokemon from the future/past, despite that the majority of them are aggressive & dangerous, & how at least other characters realize this would be an environmental disaster for Paldea....

All the while, their research.... They move their lab to Area Zero, their team is reduced in size, they worry their investors, their significant other walks out with their child, they become paranoid about who to trust, & build an AI clone of themselves, powered by & made of those crystals.
They then sacrifice themselves to protect the kinder Paradox Pokemon (Koraidon/Miraidon), costing them their lives.

They also set up the time machine's Paradise Protection Protocols, supposedly. Meaning all those failsafes. Like making it able to reinitialize as long as the AI Professor (Who can't leave.) is present, the Poke Ball lock system....

But, tellingly, when the machine is made to shut down, using their specific copy of the book, Access is granted.... Then it says to wait for the emergency shut down... then Access Denied.
Even when all of its failsafes the professor supposedly programmed in are adhered to, the "Time Machine" will not shut down. I'd liken it to a life form that wants to stay alive.
After all, why else would it reject the satisfied conditions of its own "emergency shutdown"?


There's also the behaviour. When the system takes over the AI Professor, their dialogue is unfamiliar:
They say "my dream", but before, they very often talked about the professor in 3rd person.
They call the player "child", not by their name like usual.
Before the battle, the professor says they believe in the player's bonds with their Pokemon to win. But when they send out their last Paradox Pokemon, they claim your chances of winning are zero.
They're also surprised when the player gets a super-effective hit on 1 of their Paradox Pokemon, wondering if the player character knows ancient/future Pokemons' weaknesses.

When the system is in control of the AI Professor, it doesn't act like an unwilling opponent, it acts like it's someone else. Someone who doesn't know protagonist at all, has no confidence in the player & every confidence in themself, & someone who claims the professor's dream as their own.

The fact that it claims the professor's dream as their own, means:

A. The system-controlled AI genuinely believes it IS the professor, unlike the uncontrolled AI professor, who considers itself & the professor separate.
B. The system-controlled AI professor is someone or something else, but what was the professor's dream is its own dream, too.


I think Option B B. makes sense; The stray expeditioner from "A Phantom Memory" entered a dreamlike place, spoke with someone, & seemingly wrote a page they had no memory of writing, & the professor & the system seemed obsessive in making sure the PPP stays active, even beyond rationality (It would've been dangerous & cause ecological chaos, & research into Area Zero drove the professor apart from their family.) to the point that the PPP rejects a condition-satisfied emergency shut down with the professor's ID.
Going their journal, they were unfettered when their team was reduced in size, when the crystals proved unstable, when their investors fretted, & their concern when their significant other left wasn't their family break-up, but that they needed another pair of hands.

The professor's backstory indicates they could get obsessive....
But I don't think this was natural obsession.

I think a Pokemon compelled the stray expeditioner to see those dreams, likely also write about that Disk Pokemon... & likely the same Pokemon, the guardian that is the "strange light" from the Terastallization crystals was what influenced the professor.
Tellingly, the AI Professor is made from Crystal, like the triangles on the walls, & Terastallization; If the Light of Terastallization Crystals is the "Guardian", then what is someone made from those crystals?

I think that, for some reason, it put at least 1 idea into the professor's head, making them think of the idea as if it were their own, & that idea involved filling the present with Past/Future Pokemon.
Why it wanted them to build this tech or amass Paradox Pokemon, though, I don't know.
 
So what would Ash’s latest use of Aura qualify as (It is AU Ash from a Distant Blue sky, which is the same ash as the one from the last few movies)
He made it so that a ghost could touch others and could also touch the ghost with his aura
 
Non Physical Interaction for using aura to touch ghosts

Power bestowal for granting ghost ability to touch others
 
It always said "gap" which didn't say much tbh, but I guess Palkia having a dimension lends itself to it being space

I didn't think of it that way. Pokémon cosmology exists in another dimension huh
 
Does bring to question where Ultra Space fits in. As it is a space that is outside of and connects to parallel worlds.
 
I saw Iamunanimousinthat bring this up.

Was there a confirmation as to where Ultra Space was, it could just be another dimension alongside the many parallel worlds in the cosmology. Where does the Spirit World fit into this, or Hell(yup. English dex entries censor a lot of things). Where does Hoopa's Hyperspace fit?

And there are many pocket dimensions in the cosmology. Easily thousands.

In Conclusion I do feel theyre all jumbled up alongside each other. Pokémon cosmology is a blend of whatever Game Freak decides to include in the world
 
Why is it so hard to find the Japanese dub version of the Pokémon anime

Can someone help me? Specifically for the older series Season 6 and below
 
Hand Of God
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Tbh depending on context, Third Legendary might be on or just below the Level of the creation trio with its imagination powers.

Cyclicar went from fodder ride Pokémon all the way to Legendary level that can split the Earth with a punch.

That is a massive amp.

Definitely will be one of the most broken mons with its imagination powers. Lore-wise at least.

I have a feeling the Pokémon Cosmology is far larger and way more dense than we think it to be. I don't think all we're seeing is particularly "new". In a way, we're just seeing a side of something that has long been there.

Anyway, Happy New Year, and I hope that the Pokémon world would expand to new heights, revealing many things we never imagined could even exist in this amazing world. 🎅
 
Imaginym said:
& if the sketches end up being foreshadowing, then it'll also have created Fusions of the Legendary Dogs & the Muskedeer Trio (Keldeo not included, seemingly.).
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Heh.....Its all imaginations after all.

At the very least they could be as strong as their individual selves
 
Bobsican said:
Shiny hunting in Scarlet/Violet is really easy, I already have a ton of shiny Scream Tails and Flutter Manes

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Is the player character just small? Scream Tail's listed height is only 120 cm, & Flutter Mane's is only 140 cm but the adjacent Scream Tail & the nearest Flutter Mane look as tall as them, if not taller.
Ground elevation? Levitation?
Heck, the Scream Tail on the left, despite seemingly standing as far back or slightly further from the camera, looks BIGGER than the player character & the nearby Scream Tail as well.
 
I mean Pokémon are species. What is recorded in the dex is the average of what you'd get, but they may be wayy larger or smaller than the average

In fact I'm binging the anime rn and they said the same thing
 


Because I've seen some theories about Geeta being an AI or a villain or such, I decided to look up videos showing her dialogue.

So far, what I've noticed about her:
1. Gets along with Nemona, holding a lively conversation.
2. She seems genuinely kind & caring, escorting protagonist to & from the Gym, healing their Pokemon, considering personal experiences' value for when protagonist & Nemona are to have their post-Championship battles.
3. She likes seeing strength nurtured, hand-picked the gym leaders, wanting to make sure they stay strong.
4. She describes the Academy Ace tourrnament's finals, at least in part with this:
"Honed strength against honed strength... Such a clash is what captures the crowd...and makes their heart race. This is extremely close to what I would call my ideal world. As the chairperson for both the Pokemon League and the academy... I find this situation to be intensely satisfying. Now, if we push each other to greater heights, we will achieve greater synergy. Come Champion [PLAYERNAMEGOESHERE]! Our battle will inspire all those who watch us today!"

5. When Terrastallizing Glimmora, she says:
During the Champion Battle: "Be the light that guides all trainers, Glimmora."
During the Academy Ace Tournament: "May you shine as brightly as the future of Paldea, Glimmora!"

6. She kinda forces Penny into helping her revamp the League Points system. I don't know why she does this.

7. She claims to be too busy to participate in the Academy Ace Tournament, with stuff she has to do right away, UNLESS Protagonist checks on the Gym for her. The way she says it suggests this may've just been a friendly ploy to get them to help.
Is she really that busy? Was it to throw suspicion off of what she actually intends to do while she can be sure the player is checking the gyms, & thus, all the leaders are also occupied? If this was all a diversion, it'd explain her static response to the results of that task. Though, curiously, she does also want the results of checking on the gym leaders to be done in private, with the Academy Library -Where she initially asked to meet- not being enough so but Protagonist's dorm being enough so.

8. She claims she is incapable of holding back.... Yet her gestures are so subdued.
9. 1 theory I see claimed is that most of her team is intended to be "Ride Pokemon"; Kingambit as an arguably exception, & Glimmora less so, all of her team members could probably make good ride 'mons.


Honestly, it's uncanny.
GameFreak are the same folks who've used fadeouts &/or sound effects repeatedly to avoid animating stuff like handing over objects in cutscenes. I could believe Geeta's weird looks are just weird visual character design.
But she's just so.... impassive.

There's also her speech after the Academy Ace tournament:

"The friendly rivaly of the trainers... The cheering and encouragement from the crowd... I feel like these are the perfect ingredients for the academy- no, for the whole Paldea region to become more lively and energized! Champion [PLAYERNAMEGOESHERE] was far stronger than when (s)he took the Pokemon League's final test... It is clear that (s)he strives to become better every day, even after reaching such an esteemed rank! It is my sincere hope that all Paldea's people will be inspired not just by him/her but by every trainer gathered here who aimed for new heights... and that the seeds for many more future Champions will be sown! I eagerly await news of all your achievements!"

Plus, she had scouted the protagonist because of their Gym Battle.

Is Geeta just as she says? Does she only want to inspire people, hence why she wants her Glimmora to be Paldea's "guiding light"? She thinks it has a "bright future", so maybe she doesn't plan to change the status quo, & thus isn't a secret villain?

But then, why is she just so obsessed with strength? Is it just Pokemon's writing, for better or for worse? Pokemon world characters loving to bring out potential in others isn't unreasonable.
She wants ALL OF PALDEA'S people to be inspired, she wants the whole region "lively and energized", & a tournament finals is close to her ideal world.

Does she just love battling? Is there really no hidden agenda or such?
 
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I've been thinking about the Tera Crystals lately & what we know they do.

Jacq tells us that from time to time, Terastal energy is released from Area Zero. Tera Crystals hit by this energy turn into Black Tera Crystals.
Black Tera Crystals indicate stronger Pokemon for Tera Raids. The energy readings for this disappears after the Tera Pokemon is defeated.
And the amount of energy being emitted is slowly growing.

It would seem there's a correlation between Black Tera Crystals & the third Legendary.

After defeating the AI Professor's Team of 6, the walls temporarily turn black. Perhaps it's the system shutting down, but around this time was when the AI had control taken over by the PPP, it started Terastallizing soon after....

The 3rd Legendary's scales are what cause Terastallization.
Glimmora's petals are made of "crystallized poison energy" & explicitly resemble Tera Jewels.
The AI is sustained by Tera Crystals.
Tera Crystals are stated to enhance both organic & technological stuff.

It's very possible Pokemon &/or the AI can be made of Tera Crystal stuff.
So what if, it Terastallizing, or the Black walls were meant to be like the Black Tera Crystals?
A warning about an incredibly powerful Pokemon -Similar to Tera Raid Pokemon- but there, to indicate it's the 3rd Legendary seizing control?
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Admittedly, they're a bit differently hued, but both are still very dark, black-like colours.


The arena's walls & floors are also curious, because when everything's lit, the outlines make it clear it's made of triangles, not hexagons.
But are those meant to look like INTERLOCKING hexagons? The reflections & low light makes it confusing.

The floor triangles aren't overlapping, are they?

Also, notably, when a threat to the time machine is detected, the walls glow red in Scarlet, & Purple in Violet.
 


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Found it.
Among other details, that cutscene says:

Professor: "The structure you see before you is the Zero Lab."
Nemona: "That’s where you are, right, Professor?"
Penny: "But wait...why does it look like the whole place is being swallowed up by crystals?"
Professor: "The crystals here in Area Zero possess a peculiar energy. This energy can alter the functions of living things and optimize the performance of machinery. It is the same energy that allows Pokémon to Terastallize."
Arven: "So, this entire building’s been Terastallized? Is that what you’re saying?"
Penny: "Don’t be silly, Arven. The professor implied something important about Tera Orbs just now. They’re made from the crystals down here in Area Zero...aren’t they?"
Professor: "Indeed. Though not many know it."


So, my earlier claims & memories about the crystals growing may have been partially wrong; The Zero Lab is being "swallowed up" by crystals, arguably as though the "entire building's been Terastallized".
Still, even if it's deliberate, & with years of time, it's questionable how this could have been engineered so quickly.
I wonder if this is the only instance of the Crystals growing. Especially because there's Tera Raid Crystals in other spots in Paldea.
& we do know that there are more crystals the further into Area Zero one descends.

Also, take the professor's claims with a grain of salt. Even if they're good-natured, they may not have the full info, & they're powered by those crystals. Their definition of "optimize", for one, could be questionable.

I wonder where the Tera Raid Crystals are on the map; Are they all close to Area Zero? Are any further out?

Oh & also:


If the crystals like in that image are part of the interlocking Hexagonal plates the 3rd Legendary has, then it will be staggeringly huge. I doubt it, though. Probably too much disconnected ground; Lots of crystals are just growing from the earth, not all of 'em are connected.
Though, if they narrow, that could make them resemble the crown shape in the book's image.
 
A Youtube comment I read about the 3rd Legendary's basis:
(Potential spoiler warning.)

Hear me out- there's a Spanish mythical creature called the Cuélebre. It's a Dragon that lives in a cave, (like Area Zero) is immortal, has nigh inpenitrable scales (sort of like interlocking plates,) and said to have run away to a place described as "paradise." To top it off it's spit turns into magical stones, AND can heal disease (like tera crystals and Herba Mystica) Idk about ya'll but this sounds like a PRIME candidate for the 3rd legendary to be based off of.

Related Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuélebre
 
Was going over dialogue....

Penny: "The Pokémon League said they’ll waive my debt if I do some volunteer engineering for them. They even asked me to come work for them after I graduate, if you can believe that.
Director Clavell and that Geeta lady kept complimenting me, like, a weird amount. Apparently, I have “outstanding talent” or something..."

She has the debt because she Hacked the League Points system to get LP.

So I wonder if Penny's "volunteer engineering" will be anything of significance.
Should it be suspicious that Geeta kept complimenting her an apparently weird amount? Clavell was doing it, too. Is that normal?
Does Penny just describe the amount of complimenting as weird because she's unaware of how talented she is? She does say hacking the system wasn't hard, but cuts her sentence short at "hard".

Penny.... She's been in Area Zero, & the story emphasizes that her technological skill might be needed in Area Zero. But, IIRC, it doesn't end up being used, since the AI Professor handles most of the tech stuff that isn't the player going up to a switch & pressing it. The only time I recall her tech skill being referenced there was her saying she COULDN'T disable the Poke Ball lock system due to the PPP's "weird electrical signal" interference or something.

So was her requiring just to keep Area Zero after Starfall Street, or is her tech skill & her experience in Area Zero meant to be relevant?
Geeta's ace CAN be found unevolved outside of Area Zero, & its biology seems like it'd need Tera Energy/Crystals to evolve from a story perspective; In theory, might be able to be evolve it with the Tera Raid Crystals, but it might be difficult if you CAN'T get into Area Zero.

What do we know about Area Zero accessibility? Should Geeta have permission to access it?
Because if she doesn't, that might explain her wanting Penny's expertise post-game. Get closer to the Glimmora source....
 
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