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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

Murkrow evolution

•Regional dex more than 400

•no other gen starters in the game

•no mega evolution

•region in Japanese is called パルデア

•dunsparce evolution confirmed (doesn't fly)

•skwovet line is in (all 3 skwovet fans hyped rn)

•sprigatito evolution is "soso" in terms of cuteness

•he saw "lots of new pokemon"

•houndour line is in

•no new pokeballs

•weezing line in game (unsure if galarian or kanto)

•fuecoco final evo is "similar to an alligator" (duh)

•dolphin pokemon

•new fire type besides starter (very specific ik)

•blue haired gym leader is male

•teddiursa line in game

•komala is in the game (no evolution)

•"Semi-legendary : Four" (used deepL to translate this, don't know what it could mean maybe 4 psuedo legendaries?)

•rotom is in the game

•not all hisuian forms are in game

•woobat not in game (sorry woobat fans)

•red haired "rival" is a girl

•sunflora in the game

•goodra in the game

•there's an eevee sub quest that eevee fans will enjoy

•no new fossils

•misdreavus in the game

•no toucannon in the game

•there's not 5 forms for koraidon/miraidon

•flamingo pokemon!

•"is the champion female" "half yes half no" (double champions?)

•furfrou is not in the game

•vivillon unsure of its in the game

•minior not in the game

  1. Region Name: パルデア (Paldea/Pardea), which migh be supported by Khu’s riddle: PDY. Based on my little Japanese knowledge, I dont know where the ‘y’ is though😅Probably just the way we pronounce like pa-dei-ya???
  2. New Cross-Gen Evolution: Dunsparce - Murkrow
  3. Old Pokemon: Skwovet line - Houndour line - Koffing line (Weezing is in OG form) - Teddiursa Line - Komala - Rotom - Goomy line - Sunkern line
  4. Out: All previous starters (I smell DLC lol) - Woobat line - Feebas line - Golett line - Beldum line - Wailmer line - Smoochum line
  5. New Pokeball: No
  6. New Type: No
  7. New Pokemon: DOLPHIN
  8. Gym Leader: the one with blue hair and scarf is a man - they all have important secrets that might be related to new gimmick or story
  9. 4 pseudo legendary pokemon
  10. Gimmick: something related to crystal, skull and bone for now + time travel (only pokemon)
  11. Story: a tear-jerker ending
  12. Map: 3 cities, 9 towns, other POIs
  13. Rival: not the Hop style
  14. New Eeveelution: no, but there is a side quest
  15. Nat Dex: lol
  16. Hisuian Form: not all make it
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They did have a trans character before.

Also learning the one gym leader is a guy, I wonder if they'll use the androgynous nature of his design for anything. Likely not but wow I really thought he was one of the girls on the list.
 
The Concept Of Plates
So the Typings is something in Pokémon that dictates what kind of power the Pokémon will wield. Every Pokémon in the multiverse, no matter who you are, where you are in what timeline, whether you were engineered in a lab or not, across the countless multiverse, you'll fall under a Type. Now where does the typing come from?
Easy. They come from The Plates, no not the plates directly, that's only a vessel, but what lies within the plate, The Essence.

Each Plate contains the essence of a type of power that Pokémon use. In other words, it is the source, or the core from which all Pokémon Type/Powers/Ability originate. It's also mentioned to wield infinite power/powers.

The Essence within these plates are fragments of Arceus True Form.

Part of why Scaling his True form to it is wrong but we're not here for that

Arceus defeated some Giants in Mythology and took their powers to make a A New Typing for the multiverse

This I believe will make it a type 1 concept. Let's look at the definition.

Independent Universal Concepts: Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern. These concepts shape all of reality within their area of influence and at whatever level that area exists in, and everything in it "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the concept of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept.
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Conclusion

1. Arceus gets updated to a type 1 Concept Creation for the Essence

2. Power Absorption becomes Conceptual or information. I dunno
 
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Yemma670 said:
And oh, the essence within these plates are fragments of Arceus True Form
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May it help to argue 5-D hax for Arceus? Since the plates (4-D) are fragments of Arceus' true being (5-D) power
Yemma670 said:
For the last part, Arceus defeated some giants in Mythology, extracted their essence and imbued them into the plates. Results? A New Typing for the multiverse
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I hope we get some explanation about such giants, if they trascend space and time the same way Arceus does, it'll most likely make 5-D hax a solid thing

And so Arceus'll stop being so useles on Low 1-C VS Matches
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
May it help to argue 5-D hax for Arceus? Since the plates (4-D) are fragments of Arceus' true being (5-D) power

I hope we get some explanation about such giants, if they trascend space and time the same way Arceus does, it'll most likely make 5-D hax a solid thing

And so Arceus'll stop being so useles on Low 1-C VS Matches
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From useless to Titan level threat there
 
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JustANormalPerson01 said:
May it help to argue 5-D hax for Arceus? Since the plates (4-D) are fragments of Arceus' true being (5-D) power
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ProfessorKukui said he's make a crt for that. So we wait and see

The plates(4D currently) are fragments of His True Form, His True form is infinitely big, type 10 large size.

So basically the infinity stones essence of the entire multiverse is an infinitesmall part of himself. And they are all infinitely powered. The multiverse is being powered by an infinitely small part of himself

Llama is just too strong dawg. He's being downplayed is all


JustANormalPerson01 said:
I hope we get some explanation about such giants, if they trascend space and time the same way Arceus does, it'll most likely make 5-D hax a solid thing
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Most of the myths have been confirmed. I think they'll be revealed as time goes on.
Tbh Arceus fighting these things means they're on his level. But it's unclear who or what they are

JustANormalPerson01 said:
And so Arceus'll stop being so useles on Low 1-C VS Matches
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Heh.... I'm packing in all the haxes, for the moment his hax finally makes the jump to his physiology . He'd stomp brutally
 
Hey, I have a question: do we asume abilities like clear body not nullifying self-inflicted statistics reduction is game mechanic, or not?

if not: does it mean Arceus' getting passively slower (Impulse) and weaker (Moody) at every match?
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Hey, I have a question: do we asume abilities like clear body not nullifying self-inflicted statistics reduction is game mechanic, or not?

if not: does it mean Arceus' getting passively slower (Impulse) and weaker (Moody) at every match?
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Tbh most of Arceus "passives" need to be activated of sorts. I made that complaint to DT. If every character on the wiki passives were literally always on, guys like Rimuru would passively kill everyone around him

You just choose what abilities end the match asap
 
So far I'm planning
-Low 7-B babies
-7-C magikarp
-sub-rel speed for almost everyone who isn't fully evolved
-updating FTL
-possible Class M upgrade for final stages
-some rescaling for pokemon with unexpectedly added final evos
-Class K upgrade for Machoke
-bird LS?
-ability additions from XXKing's old thread that was accepted for the most part
-make weather manipulating attacks scale to pokemon's AP
 
Bruh, i really need to stop procastinating and finish the meowth crt already, uuurgh

especially since doing so might give arceus plot manip, and maybe azelf too
 
Thelastmlg said:
I know i'm late but that's a good quote for arceus for the casual vs people, as arceus is like, omega controversial in every way, so arceus straight up saying "y'all don't even know who or what i really am" is a good support of his power
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That's the vibe I got. In PLA it was mentioned he's unknowable, and the myths are there for humans to think for themselves on the nature of his being. So yeah, you gotta think for yourself because trying to know what I really am ain't gonna work dude

Anyway.

Pokémon doesn't do Greek myth, but Buddism.

Arceus is straight up Para Brahman. Pure Consciousness, which is what Arceus is, a Spirit or Heart. "Supreme Brahman" is that which is beyond all descriptions and conceptualisations. It is described as the formless ( it is devoid of that illusion, Maya) that eternally pervades everything, everywhere in the universe and whatever is beyond.

It's literally why he's transdual. You cannot give The Heart attributes because he's neither exist, nor does he not exist, neither red nor blue, neither alive or not alive. You cannot call him any one attribute because he's not. Every attribute ceases to be nothing more than The Heart. Even the word "Heart" is something humans cooked up but at least that allows humans to call him something

He's unknowable, in PLA, and even the myths that humans have is just for humans to interpret Him how they choose to, because it's pointless trying to understand him. All they have is relative understanding of what He is. Which is why the name "Arceus" is something humans choose to call, not his True name. Even the Red Chain allows humans to see the world in a more "real" sense than their finite minds can grasp. But it seem no human has been able to properly utilize it for that purpose

Arceus is Isvara. A personalized, finite version of the Sepreme Deity.

The manifestation of the heart.

Isvara takes on particular qualities such as fatherhood, motherhood and personality . Which is what Arceus does. To guide and protect Pokémon..

Then we have Atman, the spirit and Maya, the illusionary experience. The world is an illusion where things appear to be present but are not what they seem" the principle which shows "attributeless Absolute" as having attributes.


Even the 3 planes of existence also called the 3 levels of Ultimate Reality in Atman exist in pokemon. It starts from what is absolutely real, then descends to what is relatively of less real.

1. paramarthika directly mentioned in Buddism to mean the plane of Absolute Existence, which is The Heart. It can exist by itself without depending on anything. Which is exactly how The Heart came into existence, he wasn't born by anything, nor did anything bring him into being. He just did. Subject – object duality, cause-effect formula, laws, logic, etc are not here. This is beyond the realm of human intellect. Human intellect cannot comprehend this ultimate level of reality. He's independent of these things, Absolute.

2. vyavaharika satta. The Plane of worldly existence, is the relative plane of reality. This is the realm of cause-effect and human intellect works here, laws, logic, etc. Everything here is relative to the human mind. Less real than Absolute Existence, but more real than Illusionary existence.

3. pratibhāsika existence the Plane of illusionary existence. The "Real" Dreams people have in pokemon. And theyre able to do that with the help of the spirit within them. This, is less real than worldly existence.


In order words, The Heart is dreaming Worldly existence, which is in turn dreaming Illusionary Existence. There no way to ascend to Arceus level.

Well theres still the giants but we do not know who or what they are
 
Thelastmlg said:
Also, think thise giants will be some reference to titans, since arceus and his story take a ton of religions, with chaos being similar to greek?
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Chaos that Pokémon uses is also from Buddhist Mythology. It's Wuji, the undifferentiated Unity, Oneness before duality

The Heart is Taiji. If Chaos was an actual entity in Pokémon, he'd be type 4 transdual if Arceus was 1A TD 3
 
Yemma670 said:
Chaos that Pokémon uses is also from Buddhist Mythology. It's Wuji, the undifferentiated Unity, Oneness before duality

The Heart is Taiji. If Chaos was an actual entity in Pokémon, he'd be type 4 transdual if Arceus was 1A TD 3
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thanks for the TLDR from the wall of text you sent before, don't worry though i'll read both later when i'm off work.

interesting, i thought it was a reference to greek chaos because of it being "all elements mixed togheter" and stuff, wasn't thinking of it as a entity, but yeah it makes more sense and sounds way cooler
 
You can ignore it. It's just something interesting I stumbled upon when preparing the CRT for llama

It's similar. Undifferentiated Unity
 
Imaginym said:
They did?
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Yeah, it's a bit censored in English releases, but in Japanese there's a girl who said she used to be a Black Belt or whatever and all the people who use that classification in the game are dudes, and she says the power of medical science is amazing or something. It's pretty clear it's meant to be a tran character.
 
Anyways episode 116 was a bit disappointing. Lance vs Diantha was underwhelming and worse than Leon vs Alain.
However i believe that they were saving budget. I saw the preview for Iris vs Cynthia and i think it's gonna be straight fire.
 
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