Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

[Thelastmlg]

Reading it, i like the worldbuilding there, and i love how the machamp notes straight up say that the pokedex is true, as if they knew.

And seeing eevee's part talking it being special for evolving into 3 different types makes me think, imagine you time travelled and read this book when it first came out, remembering the future, damn

Eevee was barely caught and it's gimmick was having 3 eeveelutions, nowdays it is might become pokemon's mascot one day and has 8 eeveelutions

 

[Imaginym]

“#10 Rhyhorn: While they lack intelligence, they have plenty of power. Their ramming can shatter even building towers. They are not suited as house pets.”

& then some years later, Serena's mom became a Rhyhorn racer, retired, & kept a Rhyhorn at her home, out of a Poke Ball. (Sure, it's usually outside & it's seemingly intelligent enough to watch a live stream on a computer on its own, but still.)

 

[Imaginym]

“#48 Graveler: Geodude’s evolution. When walking on sloped mountain trails, Graveler may come tumbling along. While their face wears a smile, their eyes never smile. It is very creepy to see them come rolling with that expression.”

This makes me skeptical. I wonder what expressions Graveler's eyes carry in Pokemon Amie....

 

[Imaginym]

Dr Lava notes: Corocoro’s Nine of Clubs provides a nice visual of those one thousand punches. Machamp and Golem’s entries say they’re thought to be the evolved forms of Machoke and Graveler. This Pokédex’s introduction says “the descriptive text for each Pokémon includes only facts known to date.” In other words, everything contained in this Pokédex is true, but there are some things the researchers who wrote these entries don’t know for certain yet. Apparently they haven’t discovered the concept of trade evolutions.


“#60 Staryu: They are commonly found on beaches. At night, their central core flashes brightly. They are gynandrous; they possess both male and female reproductive organs. If a part of their body is cut off, they regenerate the missing body parts. Their evolution appears to be linked to a special stone.”

Oh.

“#65 Gloom: Oddish’s evolution. Their pistil emits a horrifically foul stench that makes foes faint up to 2 kilometers away. A special stone appears to be involved in Gloom’s evolution.”

Nice feat for Gloom, if we accept these.

“#74 Caterpie: When they shed their green skin to grow, they wrap themselves in silk and transform into a cocoon. Out of all the Pokémon discovered to date, they are the fastest to evolve. The Tiny Bird Pokémon Pidgey is their archenemy. If Caterpie even sense the presence of Pidgey, they quickly burrow underground. Those too slow to hide fall prey to Pidgey. While a forest may appear peaceful, there are harsh rules that dictate the survival of the fittest.”

Do we consider burrowing an ability worth listing?

“#76 Butterfree: A week to ten days after evolving, Metapod undergo another evolutionary step and metamorphose into Butterfree. Their wings are covered in water-repellent, powder-like scales that enable them to fly even on rainy days.”

Worthy & valid for listing?

“#77 Weedle: Common in not only forests but also grasslands. There is a small, sharp poison stinger of around 5 centimeters length on the top of their head. When faced with a foe, they wiggle the stinger for intimidation. They favor food like gingko leaves.”

Interesting point of scale.

“#89 Arbok: Ekans’ evolution. Consequently, this Pokémon is also a venomous serpent. The markings on their belly have the appearance of a frightening face. Timid foes flee at the sight of such a “face.” They are skilled at using Glare that induces paralysis in their foe. If you encounter an Arbok on a path, you should avert your gaze. They are mortal enemies of Raticate. The two Pokémon fight viciously like a viper and a mongoose.”

Neat for scaling.

“#90 Gyarados: Extremely vicious and violent. They completely incinerate all matter with Hyper Beam fired from their mouth. They apparently live on the seafloor and in deep water. As a result, they are rarely seen. The most recent specimen was a corpse washed up on shore 35 years ago. They are omnivorous with fangs capable of crushing boulders. Their steel-hard scales can be fashioned into jewelry like rings. Such accessories command astonishing prices.”

NLF to assume it can incinerate things like stone & steel? Then again, a lot less useful with how high we scale Gyarados to & no sizes/volumes/masses defined for what they incinerate.

“#91 Goldeen: The dorsal and ventral fins are built up like muscles. They help propel this Pokémon through water at a speed of 5 knots. Having little intelligence, they are known to unwittingly swim into a Gyarados’ mouth where they become an easy meal.”

Goldeen are exceptionally stupid, apparently.

“#99 Cloyster: Said to be Shellder’s evolution. The shell is extremely durable. Even a direct hit from a napalm bomb can’t destroy it. The shell opens only when attacking. Their Spike Cannon – which repeatedly stabs the foe with spikes – is devastating.”

Interesting comparison.

Dr Lava notes: This entry seems to imply that not only were napalm bombs were used in the Pokemon war hinted at in the games, but apparently someone actually witnessed a Cloyster surviving one of these napalm bombings. There are various hints scattered across the series referring to a recent war, like how Lt. Surge says Electric Pokemon saved him during the war, and a journal in the Vermillion Pokemon Center says he was a pilot back home in America. More conspiracy-theory minded fans also point to the fact Red’s dad is MIA, and Blue seemingly doesn’t have any parents at all. This entry’s reference to napalm bombs adds one more piece to the puzzle, as does Koffing’s entry (#119).

Referenced:

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Magazines_in_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world#Pok.C3.A9mon_Journal

"Lt. Surge is rumored to have been a pilot while home in America. He used the electricity generated by Pokémon to power his plane."

 

[NeoZex6399]

 

[NeoZex6399]

That Giratina V card is awesome.

(By the way, has there been any news or updates recently?)

 

[Sniper670]

“#10 Rhyhorn: While they lack intelligence, they have plenty of power. Their ramming can shatter even building towers. They are not suited as house pets.”

& then some years later, Serena's mom became a Rhyhorn racer, retired, & kept a Rhyhorn at her home, out of a Poke Ball. (Sure, it's usually outside & it's seemingly intelligent enough to watch a live stream on a computer on its own, but still.)

Thats just domesticated. It exactly how it's not recommended to keep some pets as house pets but people still keep them anyway.

Keeping Rhyhorn at your home is like keeping a Rhino. It's definitely not suitable for the home, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to keep it

 

[Sniper670]

“#48 Graveler: Geodude’s evolution. When walking on sloped mountain trails, Graveler may come tumbling along. While their face wears a smile, their eyes never smile. It is very creepy to see them come rolling with that expression.”

This makes me skeptical. I wonder what expressions Graveler's eyes carry in Pokemon Amie....

Pokedex entries are just like encyclopedias.
Of course not all creatures will behave exactly the same way

 

[Imaginym]

Thats just domesticated. It exactly how it's not recommended to keep some pets as house pets but people still keep them anyway.

Keeping Rhyhorn at your home is like keeping a Rhino. It's definitely not suitable for the home, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to keep it

Fair, I guess.

Also, I hope no one minds, but I'm still combing through Dr. Lava's blog for info I find interesting.
Fair warning, thread folks: I find A LOT of the info interesting; That doesn't mean it's likely to be significant info, more that I can get excited over even low-significance new info.

Might delete some of my earlier posts so that all of it can be in 1 post instead of having several in the thread.

Pokedex entries are just like encyclopedias.
Of course not all creatures will behave exactly the same way

Yeah. Assuming it's not a physical limitation of Graveler's physical facial features, unlikely as that may be. No offense meant.
Thanks for sharing your opinions.

 

[Sniper670]

Also, I hope no one minds, but I'm still combing through Dr. Lava's blog for info I find interesting.
Fair warning, thread folks: I find A LOT of the info interesting; That doesn't mean it's likely to be significant info, more that I can get excited over even low-significance new info.

Same here. I combed through all of it. Interesting read for sure

Might delete some of my earlier posts so that all of it can be in 1 post instead of having several in the thread.

No problem

Yeah. Assuming it's not a physical limitation of Graveler's physical facial features, unlikely as that may be. No offense meant.
Thanks for sharing your opinions.

Sure

 

[Thelastmlg]

Also, I hope no one minds, but I'm still combing through Dr. Lava's blog for info I find interesting.
Fair warning, thread folks: I find A LOT of the info interesting; That doesn't mean it's likely to be significant info, more that I can get excited over even low-significance new info.

I'm totally interested in this stuff too, no matter the "significance", so please feel free

 

[NeoZex6399]

Peculiar description the new TCG expansion has.

Sword & Shield—Lost Origin

As the boundary between dimensions tears apart, Giratina VSTAR plunges the world into the abyssal shadow of the Lost Zone! Be wary of the Lost Zone’s power—unlike the discard pile, cards that are sent here cannot be recovered. While Aerodactyl VSTAR harnesses this distorted power, Magnezone...

www.pokemon.com

"As the boundary between dimensions tears apart, Giratina VSTAR plunges the world into the abyssal shadow of the Lost Zone! Be wary of the Lost Zone's power—unlike the discard pile, cards that are sent here cannot be recovered. While Aerodactyl VSTAR harnesses this distorted power, Magnezone, Drapion, Hisuian Goodra, and Hisuian Zoroark also appear as Pokémon VSTAR to show off their own astonishing skills, joined by Kyurem VMAX. Above the shadows, Enamorus V and Radiant Gardevoir conjure up dazzling magic in the Sword & Shield—Lost Origin expansion!"

 

[Sniper670]

(By the way, has there been any news or updates recently?)

Not officially unfortunately. But A ton of leaks from fairly reliable sources. Personally I'm not a fan of the gimmick. Hopefully it's fake

 

[Sniper670]

What does it say?

 

[Imaginym]

Not officially unfortunately. But A ton of leaks from fairly reliable sources. Personally I'm not a fan of the gimmick. Hopefully it's fake

I don't like leaks either, unless it's certain they're OFFICIAL/genuine content.
If they're not real, then we don't know if it's just a short-term entertainment prank that'll stir up the masses & distract from more interesting matters, or something that will be of actual significance to know.

Knowing what could be in the next games is nice, but I like knowing that it's for real.

 

[NeoZex6399]

What does it say?

Ultra Rare cards of Giratina V and VSTAR from the Lost Abyss collection.

 

[Sniper670]

Peculiar description the new TCG expansion has.

Sword & Shield—Lost Origin

As the boundary between dimensions tears apart, Giratina VSTAR plunges the world into the abyssal shadow of the Lost Zone! Be wary of the Lost Zone’s power—unlike the discard pile, cards that are sent here cannot be recovered. While Aerodactyl VSTAR harnesses this distorted power, Magnezone...

www.pokemon.com

"As the boundary between dimensions tears apart, Giratina VSTAR plunges the world into the abyssal shadow of the Lost Zone! Be wary of the Lost Zone's power—unlike the discard pile, cards that are sent here cannot be recovered. While Aerodactyl VSTAR harnesses this distorted power, Magnezone, Drapion, Hisuian Goodra, and Hisuian Zoroark also appear as Pokémon VSTAR to show off their own astonishing skills, joined by Kyurem VMAX. Above the shadows, Enamorus V and Radiant Gardevoir conjure up dazzling magic in the Sword & Shield—Lost Origin expansion!"

Feels like I'm reading a tabletop game ability description

Mehn, some Pokémon cards are broken asf

 

[Sniper670]

I don't like leaks either, unless it's certain they're OFFICIAL/genuine content.
If they're not real, then we don't know if it's just a short-term entertainment prank that'll stir up the masses & distract from more interesting matters, or something that will be of actual significance to know.

Ehh.... I say fairly reliable because he's been leaking accurately since Sw/Sh, PLA was accurate, info from Pokémon trailers for S/V were also accurate.

Knowing what could be in the next games is nice, but I like knowing that it's for real.

To each their own then

 

[Imaginym]

Spoiler: Stuff from my previous post

Dr Lava notes: Corocoro’s Nine of Clubs provides a nice visual of those one thousand punches. Machamp and Golem’s entries say they’re thought to be the evolved forms of Machoke and Graveler. This Pokédex’s introduction says “the descriptive text for each Pokémon includes only facts known to date.” In other words, everything contained in this Pokédex is true, but there are some things the researchers who wrote these entries don’t know for certain yet. Apparently they haven’t discovered the concept of trade evolutions.


“#60 Staryu: They are commonly found on beaches. At night, their central core flashes brightly. They are gynandrous; they possess both male and female reproductive organs. If a part of their body is cut off, they regenerate the missing body parts. Their evolution appears to be linked to a special stone.”

Oh.

“#65 Gloom: Oddish’s evolution. Their pistil emits a horrifically foul stench that makes foes faint up to 2 kilometers away. A special stone appears to be involved in Gloom’s evolution.”

Nice feat for Gloom, if we accept these.

“#74 Caterpie: When they shed their green skin to grow, they wrap themselves in silk and transform into a cocoon. Out of all the Pokémon discovered to date, they are the fastest to evolve. The Tiny Bird Pokémon Pidgey is their archenemy. If Caterpie even sense the presence of Pidgey, they quickly burrow underground. Those too slow to hide fall prey to Pidgey. While a forest may appear peaceful, there are harsh rules that dictate the survival of the fittest.”

Do we consider burrowing an ability worth listing?

“#76 Butterfree: A week to ten days after evolving, Metapod undergo another evolutionary step and metamorphose into Butterfree. Their wings are covered in water-repellent, powder-like scales that enable them to fly even on rainy days.”

Worthy & valid for listing?

“#77 Weedle: Common in not only forests but also grasslands. There is a small, sharp poison stinger of around 5 centimeters length on the top of their head. When faced with a foe, they wiggle the stinger for intimidation. They favor food like gingko leaves.”

Interesting point of scale.

“#89 Arbok: Ekans’ evolution. Consequently, this Pokémon is also a venomous serpent. The markings on their belly have the appearance of a frightening face. Timid foes flee at the sight of such a “face.” They are skilled at using Glare that induces paralysis in their foe. If you encounter an Arbok on a path, you should avert your gaze. They are mortal enemies of Raticate. The two Pokémon fight viciously like a viper and a mongoose.”

Neat for scaling.

“#90 Gyarados: Extremely vicious and violent. They completely incinerate all matter with Hyper Beam fired from their mouth. They apparently live on the seafloor and in deep water. As a result, they are rarely seen. The most recent specimen was a corpse washed up on shore 35 years ago. They are omnivorous with fangs capable of crushing boulders. Their steel-hard scales can be fashioned into jewelry like rings. Such accessories command astonishing prices.”

NLF to assume it can incinerate things like stone & steel? Then again, a lot less useful with how high we scale Gyarados to & no sizes/volumes/masses defined for what they incinerate.

“#91 Goldeen: The dorsal and ventral fins are built up like muscles. They help propel this Pokémon through water at a speed of 5 knots. Having little intelligence, they are known to unwittingly swim into a Gyarados’ mouth where they become an easy meal.”

Goldeen are exceptionally stupid, apparently.

“#99 Cloyster: Said to be Shellder’s evolution. The shell is extremely durable. Even a direct hit from a napalm bomb can’t destroy it. The shell opens only when attacking. Their Spike Cannon – which repeatedly stabs the foe with spikes – is devastating.”

Interesting comparison.

Dr Lava notes: This entry seems to imply that not only were napalm bombs were used in the Pokemon war hinted at in the games, but apparently someone actually witnessed a Cloyster surviving one of these napalm bombings. There are various hints scattered across the series referring to a recent war, like how Lt. Surge says Electric Pokemon saved him during the war, and a journal in the Vermillion Pokemon Center says he was a pilot back home in America. More conspiracy-theory minded fans also point to the fact Red’s dad is MIA, and Blue seemingly doesn’t have any parents at all. This entry’s reference to napalm bombs adds one more piece to the puzzle, as does Koffing’s entry (#119).

Referenced:
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Magazines_in_the_Pokémon_world#Pok.C3.A9mon_Journal
"Lt. Surge is rumored to have been a pilot while home in America. He used the electricity generated by Pokémon to power his plane."

Stuff from my previous post above (I may delete it before during or after the making of this post.) from above, other stuff below.

Spoiler: More stuff I find interesting:

“#103 Horsea: They keep balance using their spirally coiled tail. When they sense danger, they may spit black ink. Every spring, the females each lay several thousand eggs on seaweed, but most end up as Goldeen bait. Rare among Pokémon, the males raise the young.”

Wow, Goldeen eats Horsea eggs.

Also, waitaminute. Misty had a Goldeen & a Horsea. Did they ever interact?

“#105 Magikarp: Virtually hopeless in terms of power and speed. If anything were to happen, they immediately use Splash and flop about. They are the world’s weakest and most pathetic Pokémon. However, the most recent studies made an incredible discovery – dragon cells were found in Magikarp’s body. Anticipation runs high for deeper studies.”

Interesting. So it's weak in both power & speed.

“Because flying Pokémon must spot their food from up high, their eyesight is acutely developed. Many are good, doting parents. They fly to forests, grasslands, and the seas to capture bugs and fish that they deliver to their beloved chicks awaiting their return in nests on trees.”

Is this meant to be generally applicable to any Pokemon the Flying Pokemon Classification? (Although, the system was dropped around FR/LG or so.)

“#106 Pidgey: They do not like to fight. If surrounded, they scatter sand to blind their foes and make their getaway. They hide among trees and tall grass when feeding on small bugs and the like. While they feast on Caterpie and Weedle, they oddly ignore Venonat.”

Neat. I wonder why they ignore Venonat. Then again, did the researchers ever consider that Pidgey is 30 centimeters & Venonat is 100 centimeters? If I were a flight-over-fight, fighting-avoidant bird, I wouldn't go trying to eat something over 3 times my size either.

“#107 Pidgeotto: Pidgey’s evolution. They dive from an altitude of 800 meters to capture prey. The claws on their feet are powerfully developed. They have no trouble carrying an Exeggcute – their prey – weighing 25 kilograms to their nest 100 kilometers away.”

“108 Pidgeot: They fly around at Mach-2 speed at 1,200 meters altitude. If they encounter a foe while on the ground, they spread their gorgeous wings for intimidation. Their search for food leads them to even the seas where they make easy prey of meaninglessly splashing Magikarp. It goes without saying that they are the evolution of Pidgeotto.”

Neat knowing about what altitudes they go to.

“#111 Magnemite: They move around while levitating. The units on their sides radiate energy like electromagnetic waves. Although they are fundamentally different from the other Pokémon of the skies profiled here, they have been included here for the time being because there is nowhere else to group them. Further research is awaited.”

AFAIK, this is similar but different to some of Magnemite's existing Pokedex entries.

Silver	The units at the sides of its body generate antigravity energy to keep it aloft in the air.

Caption: “If the two heads of a Doduo fight, it becomes unable to move.”

An interesting weakness.

“#114 Dodrio: Doduo’s evolution. A rare species that is hardly ever found. Their three heads express the emotions joy, sadness, and anger. Some historians have sworn that in ancient times there was a religion that thrived deep in Central and South America which revered Dodrio as their symbol.”

Hunh.

“#115 Farfetch’d: They always carry a plant stalk for crafting their nest when walking. A recent study also revealed the stalk to be food for emergencies. Several years ago, the mass media reported on the deliciousness of cooking Farfetch’d with their stalk. This news spread nationwide, resulting in a massive decline in their population.”

Pokemon world humans nearly drove Farfetch'd to extinction in a few years. At least in wherever this entry is relevant to.

“#117 Muk: They usually keep themselves hidden by mingling with soil. Contact results in a severe poisoning. Analysis of their cells revealed the presence of substances that are inconceivable in living things. They are thought to be Grimer’s evolution.”

Another feat for Muk. Also, disturbing if it mingles in soil, considering it other feats.

“#118 Porygon: In 1995, Silph Co., which undertakes R&D into Pokémon and related products, successfully applied state-of-the-art technology to create this manmade Pokémon. While they are exceedingly rare, they somehow came to be offered as prizes by the Game Corner. Investigations by the authorities are ongoing in the matter. Their findings are eagerly awaited.”

Sun's Pokedex entry says Porygon was created roughly 20 years ago. The manual for Gen 1 says Red is 11. So Red is 31 years old at the time of Pokemon Sun/Moon.

“#119 Koffing: The thin-skinned, balloon-like body is filled with a powerfully toxic gas. Getting too close to this foul-smelling Pokémon makes eyes flood with tears. First discovered in a munitions factory, their habitat has been growing in recent years.”

Pokemon World has or had at least 1 munitions factory.

“#120 Weezing: While very rare, mutations can result in Koffing twins that are joined together. The lab is developing a medicine for bleaching the toxicity out of Weezing.”

Neat.

“#121 Voltorb: A completely enigmatic creature. They generate an unpleasant buzzing noise. While many live in power plants, etc., they appear to have spread to towns in recent years by traveling on power lines. They possess Electric-type moves. They are reckless and prone to exploding without warning.”

Sound manipulation. Maybe info about what's going on in them? Also, the Corocoro card image seems to depict the Voltorb indeed travelling via power lines, as said.

"This is likely because Voltorb is partly based on Tsukumogami, tools from Japanese folklore that come to life and become self-aware on their 100th birthday. The Journal section of this book says Pokeballs were invented by Professor Nishinomori around 1925, so it seems Voltorb’s not actually a 100 year old Pokeball. But the Tsukumogami inspiration appears to be hinted by the fact the in-game Pokedex lists Voltorb as Pokemon #100."

Neat.

“#123 Gastly: A life form composed of a diffuse, gaseous matter. Even an Indian elephant would fall in two seconds if enveloped in their gas. Many mysteries surround this Pokémon. Some theories claim they are photochemical smog come to life while others claim they are extra-dimensional beings. The answer remains unknown. For the time being, our study group adopted the former theory and included them among the Pokémon of towns.”

Some claim Gastly are extra-dimensional.

“#124 Haunter: Gastly’s evolution. They learn moves like Dream Eater and Psychic. It is said that if you feel as though you are being watched in a dark place with no one else around, there is a Haunter lurking.”

Seems to be referring to its TM list. That or it learned Psychic by Level-Up originally. Haunter DOES learn Dream Eater by Level-Up, even in Generation 1, though.

https://lavacutcontent.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Pokedex-Gengar-768x616.png

Caption: “They may appear out of darkness to rob people of their lives.”

“#127 Kadabra: ‘As a psychic boy awoke one morning, he found himself transformed in his bed into a Kadabra.’ The crowning of the Kadabra-themed short story ‘The Transformation’ as the 2nd Pokémon Literary Award winner is still fresh in our memory. If Pikachu is the Pokémon idol, Kadabra can be considered a favorite among those in the know.”

It was just a story, apparently. But y'all may know this already.
Unless the games WEREN'T trying to parrot it as just an excerpt of an in-universe story.

A Coro Coro card provides art for this.

“#128 Alakazam: Disdainful of physical attacks, they adeptly wield extrasensory powers to defeat their foes. While they are believed to be Kadabra’s evolution, no one has proven it conclusively. In battle, Alakazam remain expressionless throughout.”

Info about behaviour, that Alakazam remains expressionless.

“#129 Clefairy: Popular as pets for their adorable appearance. They are surprisingly well liked by not only people but even by their fellow Pokémon. However, they are also few. They have only been captured in the caves of Mt. Moon. Clefairy is best at using the move Metronome which triggers a random move from many choices. Occasionally, they startle themselves by loosing a powerful move that doesn’t suit their cute appearance.”

Clefairy startling themselves because some moves don't fit their cute appearance.... Does that mean Clefairy have a self-image of their selves being cute?

“#130 Clefable: Neither Clefairy nor Clefable like squabbling. Perhaps that explains why their hearing is so superbly developed. They can even discern the sound of a pin dropping 1 kilometer away. They immediately flee if they hear danger approaching.”

Behavioural info, clarifies that Clefairy & Clefable both dislike "squabbling".

“#132 Mr. Mime: They use advanced moves like Confusion, Light Screen, Meditate, and Substitute. Being skilled mimes, they are masters at convincingly tricking people. It is said the walls they mime turn real. Their fingertips end in suction pads with which they apparently climb the walls they create. Little headway has been made in their study owing to the scarcity of specimens.”

Those moves are considered "advanced"? Also, skill feat for being masters at convincingly tricking people.

According to Dr. Lava, this art depicts a Mr. Mime climbing 1 of its invisible walls.


Caption: “Three Jigglypuff sing as a chorus. They induce triple the drowsiness.”
Dr Lava notes: Here the book provides some Itoh artwork for a chorus of Jigglypuffs, which apparently induces triple the drowsiness compared to the song of only one Jigglypuff.

If that is indeed what the book claims, that's neat.

“#134 Wigglytuff: The finely dense and supple fur is dreamily gorgeous. It is also a luxury item. While they share many moves with Jigglypuff, they additionally learn Hyper Beam.”

Confirmation of Wigglytuff's fur being a luxury item.

“#135 Drowzee: The descendant of the legendary creature, Baku, which is said to have eaten dreams. Drowzee is famous as the first Pokémon to use a move combo – Hypnosis followed by Dream Eater. They are gluttonous herbivores. From their four stomachs, they repeatedly bring up eaten food and rechew it to feed. They are not popular among women due to their appearance. They also have a habit of muttering under their breath to themselves.”


Caption: “Experiment 2: Can a Drowzee hypnotize itself?”
Dr Lava notes: The Baku is a creature from Japanese mythology who devours nightmares. Traditionally the Baku’s believed to have been created using leftover piecest the gods didn’t use when they created all the other animals. But in modern times it’s usually depicted as a tapir, a Southeast Asian mammal that looks like an elephant mixed with a pig.


Quote Dr. Lava's blog: "Drowzee being a descendant of the Baku means that canonically, in addition to real-life animals, Pokemon also share our world with mythical creatures and can even evolve from them."

Drowzee's is a bit long, but interesting.... Although, it's still NEVER been able to learn Dream Eater by Level Up. : (

“#136 Hypno: Drowzee’s evolution. They carry around a pendulumlike object. They are skilled at using Psychic. In towns where Hypno appear, child disappearances mysteriously surge.”

....I prefer to assume this is just because, similar to what Drowzee's Pokedex entries state, Hypno finds the dreams of children tastier; If you like a good snack, you'd want a good supply at home. Still bad to kidnap, even if it's done by a Pokemon.

“#137 Jynx: An extremely rare Pokémon. They become volcanically enraged if any attempt is made to remove the clothlike shroud around their waist. That reaction informs us they have a sense of shame. While they speak in a humanlike manner, their language is indecipherable. Linguistic research is ongoing.”

I think the researchers are inferring about the reaction being from shame. Maybe Jynx are just possessive or they need it for powers, or it's part of their body.

A Corocoro card depicts Jynx's speech.

“#138 Aerodactyl: The progenitor of birds. They stood 1.8 meters tall. They flew on broad wings while emitting high-pitched cries. From the skull’s structure, it is evident their brain was relatively large. Some biologists claim they communicated by crying. Judging by their stiff fangs they were undoubtedly carnivorous. They must have caught small creatures with their large claws and preyed on them. A very recent discovery of their fossilized droppings attests to this theory.”

Aerodactyl were literally big-brained.

Also, Dr. Lava's section on Aerodactyl points out it has contradictions with Archen about being the progenitor of birds, & this book about old canon does have contradictions, like referencing Darwinian evolution, contrary to GameFreak interviews & such, or something to that effect:

Spoiler: Long notes are long

Dr Lava notes: The entire concept of Extinct Pokemon appears to have been lifted from the 1993 film Jurassic Park, which landed in theaters halfway into Red & Green’s six year development. In the movie, scientists resurrect dinosaurs by extracting DNA from prehistoric mosquitoes preserved in amber. The key item used to resurrect Aerodactyl is called “Old Amber,” and its official artwork shows a mosquito trapped inside. In countless interviews Tajiri and Sugimori have said Pokemon was partly inspired by Japanese TV shows and monster movies like Ultraman and Godzilla, and even though they never confirmed it, it’s probably safe to assume they drew inspiration from one American monster movie as well.

Before moving on to the rest of the Extinct Pokemon, it’s worth pointing out an apparent contradiction with future canon. This entry says Aerodactyl is the progenitor of birds, and when Archen was introduced in Generation 5, its in-game entry identified it as the ancestor of all bird Pokemon. In other words, they’re both said to have been the very first. To put these dueling entries into a modern perspective, let’s hearken back to an interview conducted in 2018, when Game Informer asked if Pokemon evolve and are subject to natural selection — to which Sword & Shield’s director and producer both said they didn’t know. But the concept of Darwinian evolution has existed in the series forever — from this book in 1996, to Archen’s Gen 5 entry, and even Skorupi’s entry in Sword & Shield. The next thing the developers said is the rules of the Pokemon world aren’t “set in stone,” which suggests Game Freak simply aren’t interested in maintaining a consistent canon. As I said earlier, this book is official, published by Creatures Inc with contributions from Satoshi Tajiri himself — which is more than can be said for even some of the mainline games. So even if modern developers or Pokedex entries present contradictions, this book represents the original canon… even if the series as a whole doesn’t take the concept of canon as seriously as some fans might want it to.

“#139 Omanyte: A creature somewhere between sea snails and squids that lived in ancient seas. They swam by waving their ten feet. They fed on plankton and small fish.”

Reference to non-Pokemon fish, as well as several other species. (Omanyte Pokedex entries do mention plankton.)

“#140 Omastar: Thought to be Omanyte’s evolution. They grew to around 1 meter height. They preyed on fish up to around 50 centimeters. They hunted by grabbing and clinging to prey with their dexterously developed tentacles and biting at the same time.”

Clarification of Omastar's skill, as opposed to how the entries only mention them being "highly developed as if they are hands and feet".

“#141 Kabuto: Said to be the ancestor of both hermit crabs and of turtles. They kept themselves sheltered in their tough shell. They appear to have disliked fighting. They are thought to have been good swimmers, although not especially fast. Just recently, a Kabuto fossil was found in a mountain cave 1,000 meters above sea level. Its discovery revealed that the area had once been submerged under the sea.”

As Dr. Lava's blog points out, some entries in the book have some Pokemon evolve from animals, but Kabuto is a tragic case of Pokemon evolving INTO animals.

Spoiler: I'll let the entry & Dr. Lava's notes about Kabutops speak for itself.

“#142 Kabutops: Thought to be Kabuto’s evolution. They swam expertly underwater where they hunted. They captured prey with their sharp scythe arms and drained the prey of their body fluids. Evolution apparently flipped their nature from timid to aggressive. The relationship between Kabuto and Kabutops can be likened to that of mogwai and gremlins. The one and only Kabutops’ fossil was discovered six years ago in a soil horizon approximately two million years old. They are therefore considered the oldest of all Pokémon.”

“Caption: Kabutops made prey of larger creatures.”
Dr Lava notes: Satoshi Tajiri confirmed in a 2000 interview that the movie Red’s mom is watching on TV is the 1986 film Stand By Me, so I guess it shouldn’t come as a surprise that the 1984 comedy horror Gremlins exists in the Pokemon universe as well, along with seemingly everything else in the real world. Mogwai are a special classification of demons in Chinese mythology, but in the movie they’re nice furry creatures who transform into evil Gremins that torture and kill humans. In other words, Kabuto’s a nice little guy while Kabutops is the complete opposite. The book provides this illustration of Kabutops using its scythes to impale a large prehistoric sea creature and suck out its fluids, presumably about two million years ago. Four years later, this scene was recreated in anime episode 163, Fossil Fools.

“Many Pokémon appear in the worlds of myths and legends. The most famous must be ‘The Phoenix.’ Previously, there had been few believing in the existence of such Legendary Pokémon. Since the discovery of Dratini, however, the non-believers are dwindling. Now, an endless stream of researchers embarks on expeditions convinced that the legends live.”

"The Phoenix", eh? I wonder if that was meant as a reference to actual phoenixes, &/or Ho-Oh?

“#143 Articuno: They fly among wintry mountains with their long, flowing tails streaming in their wake. Folklore has it that those seeing an Articuno in flight become so enraptured by its beauty they die rooted to the spot.”

Articuno must really be majestic in person.

“#144 Zapdos: Said to fly with what sounds like the buzzing and snapping of sparking electricity. As the divine bird presiding over the heavens, Zapdos spend thousands of years above the clouds. Perhaps lightning is their way of showing anger.”

Age statement.

“#145 Moltres: ‘The Phoenix’ – the famous legend of a bird whose fresh blood confers immortality when drunk – is said to be modeled after Moltres. If this Pokémon were to exist, their fiery wings will surely bedazzle all those that witness them.”

According to Dr. Lava, this is not a reference to any real world myth, but Osamu Tezuka's unfinished manga, phoenix, about many stories people trying & failing to drink the blood of a phoenix, or, if they do achieve immortality, realizing how bad it is.

Dr. Lava also says "according to Game Freak, in many cases they come up with a design first then decide the lore later, so it’s possible they created three elemental birds and the designs ultimately inspired the lore, rather than the lore inspiring the designs."


Tangela officially slower than 30 Km/h. (Translations by Dr. Lava.)

Dr Lava notes: The book includes this diagram of Kanto’s fastest runners, identifying Arcanine as the fastest of them all (pictured above, translated). Later in-game entries say Arcanine can run 10,000 kilometers in a single day and night — assuming that means 24 hours, that averages out to 417 kilometers an hour.

Spoiler: Other Arcanine notes, slightly long, & large image.

Arcanine draws inspiration from Chinese Shishi, as well as their Japanese equivalents Shisa and Komainu. Over the past thousand years, Shishi have taken many forms and go by countless names all across Asia, but in simple terms, they’re guardian lions or lion-dogs that originated in Chinese Buddhism. They’re believed to ward off evil, and are usually placed at the entrances of important buildings like temples, imperial palaces, and burial tombs. While Mew is Kanto’s only Mythical Pokemon, most fans consider the Three Birds and Mewtwo as the region’s Legendaries.

Dr. Lava also said on the matter:
"This book, as well as another book published a year later, also refer to the Dragonite family as Legendary Pokemon, and describe Dratini as the first Legendary ever discovered. The dragons are usually considered “Pseudo-Legendaries,” but that term was entirely made up by fans. If we set aside fan theories and only take official media into account, an argument can certainly be made that Kanto actually has eight Legendary Pokemon — the three birds, three dragons, Arcanine, and Mewtwo. Or at least, that was Game Freak and Creatures’ original intention back in the mid-90’s, which appears to have changed in the decades since — for example, in later generations the GTS filter lets you exclude players looking for Legendaries, and neither Arcanine or the Dragons are on that list."

Spoiler: Dratini's is a little long, too.

“#147 Dratini: Legendary Pokémon live! A Safari Zone visitor just happened to catch a Dratini in the park’s pond. The lucky angler became an overnight sensation with news of the discovery exploding globally. This fortuitous accident convinced many that all legendary Pokémon exist without any doubt. It ignited a massive wave of Pokémon expeditions. Even when young, Dratini reach a length of nearly 2 meters. They grow by repeatedly shedding.”


Dr Lava notes: This story about the first recorded Dratini sighting was lightly expanded upon in another Japanese book published the following year. It came with this illustration and the caption read: “In a recent study, it has been observed how some Pokemon appear in myths and legends. Once, this Pokémon was thought to be a mythical Pokemon only found in legends, but when the story of a Dratini caught while fishing in the Safari zone spread, the number of researchers who believed in its existence increased. There are many rumors of unidentified creatures all over the world, maybe they’re Pokémon.”

“#148 Dragonair: They live in the seas and lakes. They can freely summon rain and snow. Though they have no wings, they are said to fly high in the sky.”

More specific detailing of Dragonair's weather weather controlling abilities.

“#149 Dragonite: In spite of their bulky physique, they can orbit the earth in around sixteen hours. They are said to represent the god of destruction.”

Of course, Beerus tier stomps Dragonite, but maybe it can do a cosplay of him.


Dr Lava notes: Flying around the world in sixteen hours means Dragonite has a top speed of about 2505 kilometers an hour. The book provides this diagram of the world’s fastest flyers, showing Dragonite’s the fastest of them all, and just a little bit faster than a fighter jet (pictured above, translated).

“#150 Mewtwo: There is an urban legend of a mad scientist whose tenacious recombination of Pokémon DNA resulted in a horrifically brutal creature. Could such a frightening Pokémon really exist?”

Mew doesn’t receive any entry — the only time it’s mentioned is in the later Journal section, where Bill’s giving a lecture and is interrupted by a phone call informing him a mysterious 151st Pokemon’s been discovered.

(Also, apparently, Dr. Lava has "lots more" translations only available on their Patreon. Hopefully the Gold/Silver Pokedex book isn't included among those.)

There's other stuff that's neat from the entries, like how it's mentioned that Charmeleon's tail can lift "5 adults (approximately 300 kg)", though IDK whether the approximation is Dr. Lava's or the books. But I'd assume the books since it's not preceded by a Dr Lava notes:.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Thats just domesticated. It exactly how it's not recommended to keep some pets as house pets but people still keep them anyway.

Keeping Rhyhorn at your home is like keeping a Rhino. It's definitely not suitable for the home, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to keep it

 

[Sniper670]

1.Yup...All Flying types will have it
2. Agree with Muk stuff
3. Voltorb gets elemental intangibility as well?
4. Ghost types come from Spirit world. I'm guessing that's what being referred to for Ghastly
5. Why don't we just give Pokémon, their tm moves anyway?
6. Tbh psychic moves are heavily restricted by the moves in game. In anime, almost all of them can warp reality, transmute, and do some crazy stuff, depending on how potent they are at least
7. Layered sleep manipulation for Jigglypuff
8. About Drowzee..... Exactly why we should give Tm moves to Pokémon. Pokémon dream realities and dream eater eats these dreams. Low 2C Pokémon confirmed?


I think the part about the Evolution of Pokémon might be answered in S/V due to its focus on prehistoric and Advanced species.

Overall. It seems Pokémon have no limit to how many times they can evolve to adapt to an environment. Being able to adapt from the past, and adapt in the future.

We'll see in S/V

 

[Nkiratina]

That Giratina V card is awesome.

As a fan of Giratina, I am obliged to confirm your statement.

 

[Thelastmlg]

I second that

 

[Imaginym]

1.Yup...All Flying types will have it

Eh, I'm unsure. It was introduced in the Grassland Pokemon Classification section, & made before a lot of Flying types, & in an era & classification where there was a heavy association between Flying types & birds, to the point that BIRD was almost a type.

3. Voltorb gets elemental intangibility as well?

Doubtful.

Gold	It rolls to move. If the ground is uneven, a sudden jolt from hitting a bump can cause it to explode.
Silver	It was discovered when POKé BALLS were introduced. It is said that there is some connection.
Crystal	During the study of this POKéMON, it was discovered that its components are not found in nature.

Sapphire	VOLTORB is extremely sensitive - it explodes at the slightest of shocks. It is rumored that it was first created when a POKé BALL was exposed to a powerful pulse of energy.

It rolls on ground to move & can experience bumps in the ground, its heavily implied to be related to Poke Balls, possibly being 1 exposed to energy (Though at 50 cm, it's far larger than a Poke Ball.), & its components are "not found in nature".

5. Why don't we just give Pokémon, their tm moves anyway?

AFAIK, because this typically requires trainer involvement & our profiles assume wild, if my memory isn't being flawed.

7. Layered sleep manipulation for Jigglypuff

Layered because 3 Jigglypuff equals 3 times the sleep inducement?

 

[Arceus0x]

Yall have any moments when a flying pokemon clashed with a non-flying pokemon in any way? I wanna scale birds to the same LS as everyone but i've no evidence.

 

[Sniper670]

Eh, I'm unsure. It was introduced in the Grassland Pokemon Classification section, & made before a lot of Flying types, & in an era & classification where there was a heavy association between Flying types & birds, to the point that BIRD was almost a type.

Doubtful.

Gold	It rolls to move. If the ground is uneven, a sudden jolt from hitting a bump can cause it to explode.
Silver	It was discovered when POKé BALLS were introduced. It is said that there is some connection.
Crystal	During the study of this POKéMON, it was discovered that its components are not found in nature.

Sapphire	VOLTORB is extremely sensitive - it explodes at the slightest of shocks. It is rumored that it was first created when a POKé BALL was exposed to a powerful pulse of energy.

It rolls on ground to move & can experience bumps in the ground, its heavily implied to be related to Poke Balls, possibly being 1 exposed to energy (Though at 50 cm, it's far larger than a Poke Ball.), & its components are "not found in nature".

AFAIK, because this typically requires trainer involvement & our profiles assume wild, if my memory isn't being flawed.

Layered because 3 Jigglypuff equals 3 times the sleep inducement?

Honestly. I don't care for lower mons.

I'm only weighing in on what I'm seeing

 

[Imaginym]

Honestly. I don't care for lower mons.

I'm only weighing in on what I'm seeing

Glad for your opinionating nonetheless, although I am disappointed you're more preferential towards the stonger 'mons.

 

[Sniper670]

The lower the mon, the more ridiculous the scaling.

So I avoid 'em

 

[Imaginym]

Yall have any moments when a flying pokemon clashed with a non-flying pokemon in any way? I wanna scale birds to the same LS as everyone but i've no evidence.

I'm sure there's at least ONE battle between a Flying type & a non-Flying type Pokemon in the anime. But many are trainer battles. Still, at least 1 SHOULD exist.

Off the top of my head, I remember Roark's Cranidos fought an Aerodactyl before evolving.

For Wild Pokemon, this MIGHT help:

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_food#Pok.C3.A9mon_eating_other_Pok.C3.A9mon

However, a lot of the interactions don't seem to be based on Pokedex entries, so you may need to do some digging on Bulbapedia (Checking anime appearances on their species pages or such.) to figure out what the basis for their claims of predation or rivalry are.

Several of the Pokemon that are rivals aren't Flying type, but can fly.

Spoiler: A LOT of entries & other info about Pokemon predation & rivalry involving Pokemon that fly.

Butterfree & Cutiefly.

Ultra Sun	Nectar and pollen are its favorite fare. In fields of flowers, it gets into skirmishes with Butterfree over food.

Cutiefly isn't Flying type, but it does fly.

Beedrill & Teddiursa are rivals, but only in that Teddiursa uses Beedrill's collected pollen; No idea if there's fighting involved.

Emerald	It licks its palms that are sweetened by being soaked in honey. A TEDDIURSA makes its own honey by blending fruits and pollen collected by BEEDRILL.

Murkrow & Meowth steal from each other, but aren't stated to fight.

Crystal	It hides any shiny object it finds in a secret location. MURKROW and MEOWTH loot one another’s stashes.

Vikavolt is a non-Flying-type flier, but it & Pinsir do seem to fight. (As you may recall, Pinsir does fly, but only if Mega Evolved.)

Moon	One solid blow from its horns is enough to split apart a large tree. Its greatest rival in Alola is Vikavolt.
Ultra Sun	It gets into territorial disputes with Vikavolt. For some reason, it apparently gets along well with Heracross in Alola.

Vikavolt also fights with Heracross:

Ultra Sun	It’s proud of its thick horn. In Alola, its biggest rival is Vikavolt, which it’s always fighting with.

Though I could swear, Heracross probably has stuff in the anime or such showing it flying. IRL beetles that it's based on fly, too, I think.

Salamence & Garchomp also fight, as evidenced by Salamence's Pokedex entry:

Ultra Sun	It flies at the speed of sound while searching for prey, and it has midair battles with Salamence as the two compete for food.

....But Garchomp is a known non-Flying-type flier based on its own Pokedex entries, & that entry of Salamence I just posted explicitly describing their battles as "midair battles".


There are a lot of other Pokemon interactions for the Predator & Prey relationships Bulbapedia list as existing.

Moon	This Pokémon is out for vengeance on its natural enemy, Mandibuzz. It throws bones like boomerangs to try to take it down.
Ultra Sun	It throws bones at Mandibuzz to knock it down. It’s thought that Marowak is trying to avenge its parent.

& with good reason:

Moon	It circles in the sky, keeping a keen eye out for Pokémon in a weakened state. Its choicest food is Cubone.
Ultra Sun	It skillfully arranges the bones of its prey to construct its nest. Most of the bones are Cubone.

I'd probably be angry enough to use moves my opponent may be immune to too if my enemy ate my freaking parent(s) &/or offspring.

Pelipper eats multiple Wishiwashi Solo form at once:

Ultra Moon	It scoops up Wishiwashi in its huge beak and swallows them whole. It can devour more than 30 at one go!

(Almost makes me wonder if that it's not an HP requirement, then how many more than 30 DOES Wishiwashi need to go into Schooling Form?)

Interestingly. Bulbapedia claims Minior is Prey to Rayquaza, but I don't know their source for Rayquaza doing this supposed predation. Stomp of the 'verse if it is, though, & outlier/anti-feat if Rayquaza has any difficulty; Imagine being a Legendary Pokemon & a single-stage 'mon escapes you trying to kill/eat it.

Nevermind, found the source:

After a bunch of Minior disintegrate (die), Rayquaza shows up to eat the particles they left behind.
Minior's Ultra Sun Pokedex entry: "It lives in the ozone layer, where it becomes food for stronger Pokémon. When it tries to run away, it falls to the ground."
Seeing Rayquaza eat the leftovers after they die from their cores being exposed for too long is probably the closest we'll ever get to seeing Pokemon's food chain in action.

Also, they provided an Imgur gallery with some subbed stuff from the scene.

Starly attacks Cherubi.

Platinum	The small ball is not only filled with nutrients, it is also tasty. STARLY try to peck it off.

In New Pokemon Snap, Drifblim carry Clamperl away.

Archeops preyed on Omanyte, "apparently".

Ultra Sun	Omanyte lived in the seas of antiquity. Its fossils have been found bearing bite marks from Archeops, so apparently Archeops preyed on it.

Druddigon has a relationship to Excadrill & Onix in how it catches prey.

Black 2 White 2	It runs through the narrow tunnels formed by Excadrill and Onix. It uses its sharp claws to catch prey.

Though I don't know if it can fly.
Quote Bulbapedia:
"Druddigon is a large, blue, draconic Pokémon with medium-sized wings shaped like thistle leaves, although it is never seen flying and seems to be unable to do so."
Anyone know of any scenes contradictng this?

Rufflet cracks Shellder's shells:

Ultra Sun	With its powerful legs and sturdy claws, it can crack even the hard shells of Shellder and pluck out their insides.

Dhelmise preys on Wailord. Does Dhelmise count as a Pokemon that flies for this purpose?

Steenee will fight Corvisquire attempting to prey on it:

Shield	Any Corvisquire that pecks at this Pokémon will be greeted with a smack from its sepals followed by a sharp kick.

Corviknight are implied to hunt Bunnelby, or at least scare them:

Shield	It’s very sensitive to danger. The sound of Corviknight’s flapping will have Bunnelby digging a hole to hide underground in moments.

Neat.

& there's Cramorant eating Arrokuda, among other things.

Cramorant​

Sword	It’s so strong that it can knock out some opponents in a single hit, but it also may forget what it’s battling midfight.
Shield	This hungry Pokémon swallows Arrokuda whole. Occasionally, it makes a mistake and tries to swallow a Pokémon other than its preferred prey.

Gorging Form​

Sword	This Cramorant has accidentally gotten a Pikachu lodged in its gullet. Cramorant is choking a little, but it isn’t really bothered.
Shield	The half-swallowed Pikachu is so startled that it isn’t struggling yet, but it’s still looking for a chance to strike back.

Gulping Form​

Sword	Cramorant’s gluttony led it to try to swallow an Arrokuda whole, which in turn led to Cramorant getting an Arrokuda stuck in its throat.
Shield	The slightest shock is sometimes enough to get this Pokémon to spit out the Arrokuda lodged in its throat.

This excludes some non-flier & flier relationships, like all the early route regional bugs that get hunted by birds & everything else, or Magikarp being hunted by Pidgeotto & Pidgeot.

So, which if any of those, are helpful?

 

[Sniper670]

ポケモンカードゲーム「イラストストーリー」

ポケモンカードゲームのイラストから生まれた、さまざまなストーリーを公開中

www.pokemon-card.com

Interesting read..... If you have a good translator that is

 

[NeoZex6399]

 

[Arceus0x]

can you give me a rundown? Twitter doesn't work for me.

 

[NeoZex6399]

can you give me a rundown? Twitter doesn't work for me.

A gen 9 gimmick "leaked".

- Crystallization: Used by most NPCs, changes the look of your Pokémon and boosts a specific type (that you can choose), so it gains an additional STAB basically. It's activated by using an object.

 

[Arceus0x]

A gen 9 gimmick "leaked".

- Crystallization: Used by most NPCs, changes the look of your Pokémon and boosts a specific type (that you can choose), so it gains an additional STAB basically. It's activated by using an object.

im still sus about those leaks. I heard that apparently that one screenshot with something crystalic that had a skull and bones over it was actually a digimon or sth

 

[NeoZex6399]

im still sus about those leaks

Yeah same (but the gimmick is interesting).

 

[Arceus0x]

Yeah same (but the gimmick is interesting).

it is somewhat. Personally if i had to make a gimmick i'd make move fusion. An attack that let's you use two moves of different types to fuse them into a double type move. For example you have flash canon and thunderbolt. You use the gimmick and fuse them, making the attack that has a steel and an electric type - thunder rod. If the character in question is rock water type then that will be 4x super effective.

 

[Zeifyl]

it is somewhat. Personally if i had to make a gimmick i'd make move fusion. An attack that let's you use two moves of different types to fuse them into a double type move. For example you have flash canon and thunderbolt. You use the gimmick and fuse them, making the attack that has a steel and an electric type - thunder rod. If the character in question is rock water type then that will be 4x super effective.

Wouldn't it only be 2x, since Water resists Steel?

 

[Thelastmlg]

That sounds cool but also sounds broken.

Is there any combination on a specific pokemon that might be a even higher effectiveness

 

[Arceus0x]

Wouldn't it only be 2x, since Water resists Steel?

damnit i still get things wrong sometimes

 

[Sniper670]

I'm getting tired of the gimmicks. At this rate, they'll simply run out of things to do. Just stick to a mechanic and improve on it. Not throw it away.

GF out here acting like an indie studio