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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

Ego said:
Having no aspect 2 kinda sucks
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Aspect type 2 is not so special
Example.
Dialga can be aspect type 2 if he still exists somehow after his concept(time), is erased. That makes him immune to time manipulation
It doesn't make him immune to anything besides the manipulation of the concept that is time
 
Anyway, I gathered that mock crt because I'm told if a verse is in your mind, that's CM type 1, for the thinker, and that the plates are also conceptual, maybe type 2
 
My justification for NEP 2, quite frankly, needs some work, and some other stuff. I was under the impression the Chaos was simply Nothingness, but that ain't right. Can I make some changes to the current crt? Here's the draft? Let me know to change stuff

Primordial Chaos(Wuji) in Pokemon is the state of emptiness, devoid of distinction, prior to the birth of the Supreme Ultimate. Whether existence, or nonexistence, it is the Totality of all existence. As the scans said, everything "exists" within it, but separation does not exist, as it's simply a giant formless One.


Within The Heart (Taiji) everything was mixed, being likened to how Pokémon and Humans used to be one and the same. Time, Space, substance, nothingness, anything and everything were one and the same existence, with no seperation. In other words, it was none of them. Which is why they were created.. They were all unified as a whole

Arceus was born at the heart of Chaos where everything becomes one. It only expands from there. It shares that nature

Conclusion
This is pretty straightforward for those who understand the terms I used here. Whatever we give to being Taiji on the wiki is given to Llama.

1. Transduality Type 2. It existed as One unified entity, bereft of seperation. It's expansion led to the creation of seperation of things. But they're all connected, in a state of all in one and one in all. It's nature is defined by lacking any seperation. Transcendent of reality

Acausality type 5 . Same as above. Except in relation to the laws of cause and effect

Nonexistent physiology Nature 2 Aspect type 1,2,3,5. Same as above, except in relation to Existence and Nonexistence, any and all concepts including time, space, nothing,spirit etc.
 
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When you start talking about the Heart, you should add a bit of context. It seems that you are still referring to Arceus, while it is not true since that heart is the one created by the LT (i.e. the spirit) to bind the space-time.

I would also avoid comments about the "perception of the world", since it is still unclear with the little information that we have, and since it is not necessary for the aims of the CRT.

It would also be better to change some of the sources that you used. In some cases they are not so related to what you want to support. Moreover, I suggest also not using this source, is not particularly useful since it is not very clear and is not from the main games. There is better material from PLA that can do the same work if not better.
 
1. I'm not sure how to handle that. Thing is, everyone and everything is the Heart. I guess I'll just make that distinction that it's Arceus when linking the source

2. Yh. It's not so relevant anyway.

3. Eh, which ones exactly. I'll change that. That's from PMD but it's no different from what was mentioned in PLA anyway..

Edit: If you meant time and space being in that newborn spirit meant humans, that's not true is it
There's Llama, who's body was housing the potentiality of creation, time and space, that's not humans.
 
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I'll merge this with the crt to explain nep 2 and the other things listed.

Someone look over it and let me know if it's all good to go.

Existence and Non existence not existing will explain the other points I listed on it
 
So, I've heard about a couple of feats that could give juicy upgrades, and wanted to know if any of you knew anything about them?

  1. Arceus creating GameFreak, who wrote the plot in universe (Plothax for Llama)
  2. Suicune time traveling via speed (Immeasurable speed for most/all Legendaries and Mythicals)
Some quick searches only let me find a little on the former, and nothing on the latter.
 
Zeifyl said:
  1. Arceus creating GameFreak, who wrote the plot in universe (Plothax for Llama)
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GF canonical exists in the game so that'll work. Seems wankish, which is why I never took it too seriously
Zeifyl said:
  1. Suicune time traveling via speed (Immeasurable speed for most/all Legendaries and Mythicals)
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Mystery Dungeon most likely. I don't remember which version tho
 
Zeifyl said:
So, I've heard about a couple of feats that could give juicy upgrades, and wanted to know if any of you knew anything about them?

  1. Arceus creating GameFreak, who wrote the plot in universe (Plothax for Llama)
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I think that'll be treated as 4th wall breaking, and, as thus, no plot hax for Llamagod
Zeifyl said:
  1. Suicune time traveling via speed (Immeasurable speed for most/all Legendaries and Mythicals)
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I remember someone made a CRT about it, and it was agreed as time travel.

For some reason, it's not on its profile, so idk
 
Zeifyl said:
So, I've heard about a couple of feats that could give juicy upgrades, and wanted to know if any of you knew anything about them?

  1. Arceus creating GameFreak, who wrote the plot in universe (Plothax for Llama)
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Basis for in-universe GameFreak manipulating the plot? I'd assume our Reality-Fiction rules preclude in-universe GameFreak from controlling the plot.
Yemma670 said:
You're right. How will they treat the player playing Ruby and sapphire tho
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What do they have to do with this?
 
Just curious but I want to ask If we have a calc about the ultimate weapon from Pokemon X/Y?

Since I thought it could be a good supporting feat on the verse page :unsure: .
 
Nkiratina said:
Just curious but I want to ask If we have a calc about the ultimate weapon from Pokemon X/Y?

Since I thought it could be a good supporting feat on the verse page :unsure: .
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Yes. It's High 6-A, via parting clouds. To be fair, it was essentially running on fumes from a legendary that was at only 1% power (IIRC), and it has extreme damage falloff.
 
Zeifyl said:
Yes. It's High 6-A, via parting clouds. To be fair, it was essentially running on fumes from a legendary that was at only 1% power (IIRC), and it has extreme damage falloff.
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But has someone here put the calculation in a blog or not?
I say this because the only calculation of the feat that I have seen is external to this forum.
 
Nkiratina said:
Also I want to ask What legendaries would this feat scale to?

Besides from Xerneas, Zygarde and Yveltal obviously.
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None that I know of. All three got much bigger feats (IIRC, Xerneas has a 5-A feat Yveltal scales directly to, and Zygarde has some Tier 4 stuff... And that is without scaling them to Necrozma. But it's long since they were below Tier 3, so I may be wrong), and anyone scaling to those three would scale to those bigger feats as well.
 
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Is Arceus gonna be next to Anos in the top 5 2-A?

And the irony is that Anos is higher than pokemon in 2-A but in 2-B pokemon is higher than Anos
 
If Pokémon does introduce higher dimensions(which I have a good feeling about) judging by how scientific/multidimensional/Extraterrestrial the verse has been getting since Sun/Moon, Arceus will definitely be in top 5 in tier 1 area, assuming TD 2, Aca 2 and Nep 2 gets passed as well
 
Zeifyl said:
None that I know of. All three got much bigger feats (IIRC, Xerneas has a 5-A feat Yveltal scales directly to, and Zygarde has some Tier 4 stuff... And that is without scaling them to Necrozma. But it's long since they were below Tier 3, so I may be wrong), and anyone scaling to those three would scale to those bigger feats as well.
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Cause I heard people(external) saying that pokemons like Groudon/Kyogre(Especially Primal) scale to the ultimate weapon´s feat.

Also what are that 5-A and 4-tier feats?
 
Yemma670 said:
If Pokémon does introduce higher dimensions(which I have a good feeling about) judging by how scientific/multidimensional/Extraterrestrial the verse has been getting since Sun/Moon, Arceus will definitely be in top 5 in tier 1 area, assuming TD 2, Aca 2 and Nep 2 gets passed as well
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Arceus would dogwalk almost everybody in tier 1 if it has 5D hax(they only brought it up because no one wants a pokémon feasting on the entire sonic verse 😏)
 
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