Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

[Sniper670]

Thank you

I'll add the interview and Text Dump to the crt. Just in case.

 

[Zeifyl]

Edited.

You're right.... I overlooked that. I also made some minor changes, where Masuda describes what the DW really was. Check that out for me

Looks fun to me. Though I, personally, can't decide if what Giratina is displaying is NEP nature 1 or nature 3.

 

[Sniper670]

Looks fun to me. Though I, personally, can't decide if what Giratina is displaying is NEP nature 1 or nature 3.

Maybe.... I'm not sure. I'll ask Q and A

Masuda's description is that of material Non-existence, as he's basically the reflection on the lake, an illusion.. Illusions are type 1 iirc. Abstractly, he doesn't even have a physical form anyway, but he's nothing and the concept of it

 

[Zeifyl]

Maybe.... I'm not sure. I'll ask Q and A

Masuda's description is that of material Non-existence, as he's basically the reflection on the lake, an illusion.. Illusions are type 1 iirc. Abstractly, he doesn't even have a physical form anyway, but he's nothing and the concept of it

Though there is also the whole thing with "Does exist, but doesn't. Doesn't exist, but does." That does imply Type 3.

 

[Sniper670]

Well....

 

[Zeifyl]

Well....

Think it's best to ask, to be sure. As I said, I'm unsure.

 

[Sniper670]

I will. But I don't think I'll be able to reach DT directly

Just to know that Mercurius was given nep nature type 1 by DT in the thread for being a reflection of the moon, so not really there. Same as Giratina

Technically he exists, but actually he doesn't

 

[Zeifyl]

I will. But I don't think I'll be able to reach DT directly

Just to know that Mercurius was given nep nature type 1 by DT in the thread for being a reflection of the moon, so not really there. Same as Giratina

Technically he exists, but actually he doesn't

In a Q&A thread, not necessarily to DT directly.
EDIT: Made the thread

 

[Sniper670]

It's nature type 1

 

[Zeifyl]

It's nature type 1

Source?

 

[Sniper670]

Trust me bro

 

[Faron25]

Shouldn't it be both? In the Pokémon universe, the mind (Uxie) is only a part of the spirit (LT).

 

[Sniper670]

Well, mind, emotions, willpower are seperate from the soul they wished into existence, but they're somewhat tied to it

Giratina would be NEP nature type 1 and 3 as he predates those. I'm not too sure about mind tho, but the creation story clearly showed predation so yh

Likely aspect type 2 for being nothing and the concept of it

 

[Zeifyl]

Fair enough. Just wanted to be sure.

 

[Faron25]

Well, mind, emotions, willpower are seperate from the soul they wished into existence, but they're somewhat tied to it

I have always seen spirit as the fusion of mind, will and emotions. Not as a separate thing, since those are the powers of LT. In fact, the Hiker says that the spirit permits to perceive the world, while Cogita refers specifically to the mind.

Likely aspect type 2 for being nothing and the concept of it

Yes, aspect type 2 is also appropriate for Giratina.

 

[Sniper670]

I have always seen spirit as the fusion of mind, will and emotions.

Yes this is true. Is the soul attached to this? That part isn't clear to me

Not as a separate thing, since those are the powers of LT. In fact, the Hiker says that the spirit permits to perceive the world, while Cogita refers specifically to the mind.

You're right about this

Yes, aspect type 2 is also appropriate for Giratina.

 

[Faron25]

Yes this is true. Is the soul attached to this? That part isn't clear to me

There are never been a clear distinction between spirit and soul, so we can suppose that they are the same thing.

 

[Sniper670]

Yes. That is especially true when you check the Pokedex entries, spirits are used interchangeably with ghosts or souls.

 

[Arceus0x]

According to Riddler Khu's hints we may be getting a coin pokemon

 

[Sniper670]

Probably evolves into a dollar or two

Pokedex entry would be interesting...... Indeed

 

[Arceus0x]

Probably evolves into a dollar or two

Pokedex entry would be interesting...... Indeed

treasure chest

 

[Faron25]

Pokedex entry would be interesting...... Indeed

Pretty sure they will be something about it being the origin of currency in the pokemon world or similar.

P.S. If it doesn't have the shape of the coin on Meowth's head, I'll make a complaint to Nintendo.

 

[Faron25]

treasure chest

They have already done that with Voltorb. It's practically the Mimic of Pokémon.

 

[Sniper670]

treasure chest

That's also cool. Khu mentioned something about there being a lot of new mons. Can't wait for the lore

 

[Sniper670]

BTW, what do we make of the fact that Masuda confirmed(kinda) that Ash doesn't exist in the games.

Means the anime is entirely seperate thing if we take his word for it

 

[Arceus0x]

They have already done that with Voltorb. It's practically the Mimic of Pokémon.

it isn't piraty though

 

[Arceus0x]

BTW, what do we make of the fact that Masuda confirmed(kinda) that Ash doesn't exist in the games.

Means the anime is entirely seperate thing if we take his word for it

doesn't really matter, anime and manga are secondary canon either way. Not to mention that that claim contradicts itself in the fact that Ash-greninja exists and it comes from Ash but i digress

 

[Faron25]

it isn't piraty though

What do you mean?

 

[Faron25]

doesn't really matter, anime and manga are secondary canon either way. Not to mention that that claim contradicts itself in the fact that Ash-greninja exists and it comes from Ash but i digress

Ash-Greninja was only a form of fan service for anime fans. It has nothing to do with the games' lore, like the event of Pikachu with the cap.

 

[Sniper670]

I'm with you on this one. And also the anime takes far too many liberties with the game's lore and stuff. Like ghost types getting hit by normal attacks for example

 

[Arceus0x]

Ash-Greninja was only a form of fan service for anime fans. It has nothing to do with the games' lore, like the event of Pikachu with the cap.

I ain't trying to argue that it is not that but the fact that it exists means that the existenxe of Ash is acknowledged in the games even a little.

 

[Lou_change]

I ain't trying to argue that it is not that but the fact that it exists means that the existenxe of Ash is acknowledged in the games even a little.

Aren't there Pikachu with his hat in the games

 

[Faron25]

I ain't trying to argue that it is not that but the fact that it exists means that the existenxe of Ash is acknowledged in the games even a little.

Yeah, Ash is too much famous to be ignored after all.

 

[Arceus0x]

Anyways, i think i might rescale a lot of legendaries...

In short, Groudon and Kyogre matches a hyper beam from Rayquaza in the manga, suggesting that Groudon+ Kyogre = Rayquaza so they have about half of his power.

 

[Sniper670]

That makes sense to me.

 

[Zeifyl]

Anyways, i think i might rescale a lot of legendaries...

In short, Groudon and Kyogre matches a hyper beam from Rayquaza in the manga, suggesting that Groudon+ Kyogre = Rayquaza so they have about half of his power.

Didn't base Rayquaza beat their Primals, simultaneously?

 

[Lou_change]

Didn't base Rayquaza beat their Primals, simultaneously?

When did that happen

 

[Sniper670]

Uhhh, Giratina isn't affected by the clusterfuck system of the Distortion world, is that resistances to chaos manipulation or Acausality, or resistance to law manipulation

 

[Zeifyl]

When did that happen

No idea. Just what I've heard over and over again since Gen 6.

 

[Faron25]

Uhhh, Giratina isn't affected by the clusterfuck system of the Distortion world, is that resistances to chaos manipulation or Acausality, or resistance to law manipulation

The rules of the Distortion World are made by him, so it makes no sense that they could harm him (the rules are part of himself, after all). Rather, one might consider the change in the shape of his avatar (altered form) as a way to adapt to the rules made by Palkia and Dialga in the normal world, so perhaps a form of adaptability? However, it is not very clear.