Planetary KE calcs

[KLOL506]

So my question lies in what did that have to do with Pokemon, because that’s what this stems from. Strym’s calc should’ve been fine.

I have no idea. In any case, the discussion has moved to the other separate Pokemon thread and it's mostly a Pokemon-related issue from what I've gathered (Something something manga game anime lore or so) so I think we should discuss it there instead of this thread, prolly best to close this one to avoid further confusion.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Strym’s calc should’ve been fine.

You mean this?

 

[StrymULTRA]

I have no idea. In any case, the discussion has moved to the other separate Pokemon thread and it's mostly a Pokemon-related issue (Something something manga game anime lore or so) so I think we should discuss it there instead of this thread, prolly best to close this one to avoid further confusion.

I think we should discuss there once we've dealt with the cal here

 

[KLOL506]

You mean this?

Yeah, he means that.

 

[KLOL506]

I think we should discuss there once we've dealt with the cal here

Nothing much left here to deal with other than the fact that this is a Pokemon-related issue, the other calcs you linked don't even fall into the category as those calcs used cinematic timeframe and thus never had the whole "timeframe assumption" or the "all the debris having travelled the same distance" issue.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Nothing much left here to deal with other than the fact that this is a Pokemon-related issue, the other calcs you linked don't even fall into the category as those calcs used cinematic timeframe and thus never had the whole "timeframe assumption" or the "all the debris having travelled the same distance" issue.

KKKK

 

[Antvasima]

Which calc group members should I notify to come here, and can somebody summarise the discussion so it is easier for them to evaluate please? KLOL perhaps?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Ugarik

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. We need some more suggestions and a summary though.

 

[M3X_2.0]

We don't need it tho? It's simple, just pay more attention while calcing said feats with KE, because not all the mass (debris, chunks) moved the same distance in the same timeframe. A proper way to calc this, is if the mass expanded and moved enough to be off screen. Ugarik can write it better if you tag him.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

@Ugarik

We would appreciate your help here.

 

[Ugarik]

I agree with everything KLOL said thus far. I don't think I can add anything new here

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for helping out.

 

[Antvasima]

Scan (Actual panel height that should be used is 317), the small rectangle where we see the floating debris)

• New planet Diameter : sqrt(1-(tan(35)(1978/317))^2/((tan(35)(1978/317))^2+1))*12742 = 4082.63263751 km = 4082632.63751 m
• Planet diameter = 1978 px = 4082632.63751 m
• Distance the debris crossed = 1260.69 px =2602090.06056 m

Low end:

• Time = 30 s
• Speed = 86736.33535 m/s
• KE = 0.5 * 2.77e22 * (86736.33535^2) = 1.04196207398775085771625e+32 Joule / 24.903491252 Zettatons (Small Planet level)

Mid end

• Time = 15 s
• Speed = 173472.670704 m/s
• KE = 0.5 * 2.77e22 * (173472.670704^2) = 4.1678483e+32 Joule / 99.613965 Zettatons (Planet level)

High end

• Time = 5 s
• Speed = 520418.012112 m/s
• KE = 0.5 * 2.77e22 * (520418.012112^2) = 3.751063466529e+33 Joule / 896.52568511687377395 zettatons (Planet level)

@Ugarik

Is this acceptable to you, and if so, which end result?

 

[KLOL506]

I agree with everything KLOL said thus far. I don't think I can add anything new here

OK so which part of what I said are you in argreement with?

 

[Ugarik]

KE can only be used if the entire mass of the planet had left the screen in the given timeframe (like in Frieza calc).

 

[KLOL506]

KE can only be used if the entire mass of the planet had left the screen in the given timeframe (like in Frieza calc).

Aight then.

BTW, the Toei Piccolo calc operates in the same way but Kep got the timeframe wrong for that, it actually takes 13 seconds for the debris to spread out and leave the screen. Plus he messed up a bit on the pixel-scaling, which I'll fix later.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I though we already agreed that the mass leaved the Earth in the time-frame tho

 

[M3X_2.0]

We didn't agree with that. I'm still against it, you didn't debunk any of my arguments.

 

[StrymULTRA]

We didn't agree with that. I'm still against it, you didn't debunk any of my arguments.

So nor me, Cal or Kukui could do nothing for your stubborness, fine lol

 

[M3X_2.0]

Cal didn't even argue anymore, Kukui doesn't know about calculations, he didn't answer anymore. And you... yeah, don't even need to say that. The mass didn't left the screen in one panel, so no, you can't use that.

 

[StrymULTRA]

The planet was leaved completely without the crust, otherwise explain why it has a completely uniform color palette...

 

[KLOL506]

Now that I look further upon this, ye, it becomes pretty iffy to figure out if there's a proper point to show where all the mass leaves within that timeframe since it's a manga.

To be clear tho, the Frieza feat mass spreading was like, uber fast. Like, one freakin' second.

 

[M3X_2.0]

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Kukui doesn't know about calculations, he didn't answer anymore.

Check the other thread, I did. I said I still stand by my previous stance

The debris fragments being in different postions does not mean they didn’t move the same distance in the same timeframe (And KLOL agreed with me here).

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yeah fine, still rejecyed by now. I'll not waste our time discussing what is rejected now.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Now that I look further upon this, ye, it becomes pretty iffy to figure out if there's a proper point to show where all the mass leaves within that timeframe since it's a manga.

To be clear tho, the Frieza feat mass spreading was like, uber fast. Like, one freakin' second.

Hm? I'm pretty sure that at the central panel it was shown all the mass leaving from the planet, and in the next one all of it was shown outiside the planet, but whatevers

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I really don’t care whether you think it’s rejected or not, discussion is still going and there’s contention against it.

Also, FYI, the 896 Zettaton result was made from KLOL, not Strym. And Ugarik agreed with everything KLOL said.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I really don’t care whether you think it’s rejected or not, discussion is still going and there’s contention against it.

Also, FYI, the 896 Zettaton result was made from KLOL, not Strym. And Ugarik agreed with everything KLOL said.

^This completely

 

[M3X_2.0]

KLOL himself said the mass didn't left the planet in the timeframe... Ugarik obviously doesn't agree with the calc.

 

[KLOL506]

I really don’t care whether you think it’s rejected or not, discussion is still going and there’s contention against it.

Also, FYI, the 896 Zettaton result was made from KLOL, not Strym. And Ugarik agreed with everything KLOL said.

No, he said that KE is only applicable if all the mass is shown to leave the screen within the calculated timeframe, like in the case of Frieza, Piccolo, King Vegeta and the like.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I agree with everything KLOL said thus far. I don't think I can add anything new here

OK so which part of what I said are you in argreement with?

KE can only be used if the entire mass of the planet had left the screen in the given timeframe (like in Frieza calc).

I don't know why do you guys need to lie.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

No, he said that KE is only applicable if all the mass is shown to leave the screen within the calculated timeframe, like in the case of Frieza, Piccolo, King Vegeta and the like.

Then he needs to come back again to give a specific evaluation on the calculated numbers themselves, from what I see.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I don't know why do you guys need to lie.

“Everything”

Is not a lie. Otherwise, people here should use better wording about what they’re trying to say.

 

[KLOL506]

I don't know why do you guys need to lie.

Come on man don't just outright accuse them of lying. They prolly didn't see the reply Ugarik actually made, even I didn't know what part of what I said he was agreeing with until I asked for it.

 

[Migue79]

No, he said that KE is only applicable if all the mass is shown to leave the screen within the calculated timeframe, like in the case of Frieza, Piccolo, King Vegeta and the like.

So, what? Does this mean the meteor feat can't be calced with KE now because we can't prove the entire mass of the planet's crust moved offscreen in the assumed timeframe?

Or am I misunderstanding something here?

 

[M3X_2.0]

They straight up lied, whats the problem?

 

[StrymULTRA]

"lied" because Ugarik disagrees with his opinion that was only his...

KLOL agreed with KE being usable here, don't you remember or you don't want to?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

They straight up lied, whats the problem?

Of course you’d pivot to this

But anyway, no. Ugarik initially said everything, so we went off that because of what “everything” obviously meant.

Not my fault that people aren’t being clear about what they meant and mistakenly misled people

 

[KLOL506]

"lied" because Ugarik disagrees with his opinion that was only his...

KLOL agreed with KE being usable here, don't you remember or you don't want to?

I said it was agreeable only if it leaves the entire screen.