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Phoenix Avatars

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We still need more input about the other avatars though.
 
Well, Cyclops was going to ascend into the White Hot Room until Jean stopped him, so that loosely applies.
 
Since Kepekley seemed to have accepted it already, could I go ahead and update Jean? I was going to go with something like this for the AP descriptions:

Green Phoenix - Multiverse level+ (Claimed all of creation was a part of her. Galactus reveres her power. Stated to control Eternity and embodies the growth into him. Repaired the M'krann Crystal, which is a threat to all existence. Superior to the Death Seed, which can consume the multiverse)

Dark Phoenix - Multiverse level+ (Stronger than she was as Green Phoenix. Stated by Reed Richards to rival Galactus. Stated to be more of a threat than the M'krann Crystal)

White Phoenix of the Crow - At least Multiverse level+ (Has the full power of the Phoenix Force. Feared by the abstracts. Capable of transcending The White Hot Room, which is the heart of the Phoenix, Nexus of All Realities and the core of creation)

I still think WPOTC should be High 1-B, but I'm willing to go with At least 2-A if that won't get accepted.
 
All the scans in general, or the ones for Jean's justifications? I'll remove that, though it would still apply to the overall Phoenix Force that WPOTC scales to.
 
All of the scans that you just posted for Jean.
 
Okay, they're all from the OP though. But I'll wait to see if anyone else gives their input.
 
Can somebody ask Kepekley23 to comment here again?
 
I am also frustrated by that we do not get enough help for the Marvel and DC Comics revision threads. I am usually not comfortable with clearing them on my own.
 
Yes, Kepekley seems occupied with another thread and everyone else I've contacted hasn't responded (or in Ultima's case, politely declined).
 
So the upgrades seem to be accepted already by the right people. Not really much left here to do I guess.
 
The specifics have not been cleared up, especially not for the non-Jean avatars.
 
Yeah, 2-A has only been accepted for Jean so far. Hope, Cyxlops and the Phoenix Five are still in question.
 
I'll just repost Jean's justifications in case anyone shows up. Though they're all from the OP so if they're fine with that, they should be fine with this.

LordTracer said:
Green Phoenix - Multiverse level+ (Claimed all of creation was a part of her. Galactus reveres her power. Stated to control Eternity and embodies the growth into him. Repaired the M'krann Crystal, which is a threat to all existence. Superior to the Death Seed, which can consume the multiverse)

Dark Phoenix - Multiverse level+ (Stronger than she was as Green Phoenix. Stated by Reed Richards to rival Galactus. Stated to be more of a threat than the M'krann Crystal)

White Phoenix of the Crow - At least Multiverse level+ (Has the full power of the Phoenix Force. Feared by the abstracts. Capable of transcending The White Hot Room, which is the heart of the Phoenix, Nexus of All Realities and the core of creation)

I still think WPOTC should be High 1-B, but I'm willing to go with At least 2-A if that won't get accepted.
Click to expand...
 
I personally think that the statistics seem fine to apply, but somebody should preferably confirm that the justification scans are accurate.
 
Well Kepekley's comment of 2-A being consistent was related to the scans in the OP, which is where almost all the scans in the justification cane from (only a few M'Krann crystal ones aren't), so (not to put words in his mouth or anything) it should be fine to apply.
 
I am fine with the statistics. I am just not sure about that all of your interpretations of the scans are correct.
 
How so? I used the exact wording from the scans themselves most of the time.
 
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630755311891775519/630755493857722388/image0.jpg

This is unreliable.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Z2D-wR1K...LiR_NVzQKk64IeACLcB/s1600/x-men-forever-2.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PajhXSht...4b0WAPqJh8g5-XpCgCLcB/s1600/x-men-forever.jpg

This is about the sum totality of human potential, not the Phoenix.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11137/111378174/6906947-4630356797-RCO01.jpg

This doesn't really tell us anything useful.

https://m.imgur.com/a/DYbp6JQ

https://m.imgur.com/a/mr4Oost

This needs more context.

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...5MbzdgOBdCL2c-MxV4AYviXJuW9f_iKxWtEbwZg=s1600

This is not quite how the original story went. Doom was not present. It also does not say what you claim about her being stronger than usual.

https://m.imgur.com/a/dSckvfU

This does not say that she is stronger than the M'Kraan Crystal.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630755311891775519/630761733333581824/image0.jpg

We need more context regarding what is intended here/in what manner she scared them.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/526752092170223617/631460981184135168/image0.jpg

The Phoenix states that Jean can transcend to the White Hot Room, not beyond it.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Q1pUaUP7...CLcBGAs/s1600/vulcan-in-white-hot-room-p1.png

The M'Kraan Crystal is referred to as a nexus, but the WHR was not mentioned in this scan.

The other scans (that I did not mention above) seem to say what you claim, so they should probably be fine to use.
 
  1. 1. Dark Phoenix later says basically the same thing, to an even higher degree.
  1. 2. It is explicitly being relayed to Jean, as The Phoenix, being capable of doing so as she embodies that evolution.
  1. 3. It gives more context to the power of the M'krann Crystal.
  1. 4. What... other context is necessary? The Death Seed is stated to be multiversal and Jean is directly stated to surpass it.
  1. 5. "Incredible! She is even more powerful than ever."
  1. 6. "She was nearly the threat to existence the M'Krann's disruption was!" Though yes, the wording would need to be changed to something like "Comparable to the M'krann Crystal."
  1. 7. The previous statements mention seeing and touching the abstracts, and it's showing the likes of Dormammu, who has tangled with Eternity, and Infinity Gauntlet Thanos, who took down basically all the abstracts. That should be context enough.
  1. 8. Perhaps you have a point there.
  1. 9. Vulcan appears to be in the White Hot Room there. That is also the same story where Vulcan became The Phoenix.
 
1) It is dazed mumbling, and it does not refer to an entire multiverse.

2) That is not how I remember it. In any case it is too uncertain to use.

3) It still isn't useful.

4) I don't see any mention of the Death Seed specifically threatening the multiverse, but if that is what happened and the alternative version of Jean overpowered it, I suppose that is probably fine.

5) Okay. That is just an impression though, not enough to base our statistics on.

6) Agreed. And it was not a extremely reliable statement.

7) No, we need the next pages to see why they were afraid.

8) Thank you.

9) I am not sure without any mention of this. A white background is not enough.
 
1) A completely conscious Dark Phoenix then says; "Now and forever, the power of creation is mine!"

2) That's what this sca basically says. "She had forgotten what it [Phoenix] felt like." You can even see her as the Phoenix there.

3) Both Green Phoenix and Dark Phoenix have scaling related to the M'krann Crystal, so it is quite useful in quantifying that.

4) "If we don't, they'll just spread from the barrier they escaped from... and destroy the entire multiverse."

5) Well, it was stated that Jean placed psychic limitations on herself as Green Phoenix that she didn't have as Dark Phoenix, so she would be stronger, I haven't been able to find the scans for that though.

6) This one isn't really necessary anyways, as Green Phoenix's justification already includes scaling to the M'krann Crystal.

7) I feel like the statements there and their backing by the showings of Dormammu and The Infinity Gauntlet would explain enough, but I'll see if I can find the next pages.

9) Well Vulcan did become Phoenix immediately after that... and it was stated in the story that after being thrown into the M'krann crystal, he drifted into the White Hot Room.
 
I believe the next page is just this, so the earlier statements in the original scan, plus the mention of Dormammu and IG Thanos is the only context given.
 
1) I suppose that seems fine then.

2) Still disagreed for the same reasons as earlier.

3) Disagreed. It is from an unconnected story.

4) That still does not explicitly refer to the Death Seed, but other parts of the story might.

5) It is not useful. Sorry.

6) I suppose so.

7) Thank you.

9) It still doesn't seem like the two are automatically connected from this alone.
 
2) It's further justified by the scan Hykuu posted.

3) Okay...

4) It's about the Death Seed though. It even further says; "They'll destroy the whole structure of the multiverse... everything will cease to exist."

5) It gives some differentiation between Green Phoenix and Dark Phoenix, which gives more of a reason to make them two separate keys, but okay.

7) Yeah, there isn't any further elaboration past Jean being stated to have scared the abstracts more than Dormammu and IG Thanos. And the scan Hykuu gave is more context.

8) Well, the story is What If? X-Men - Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire #1 (yes, it's a what if, but it's relating to multiversal places like the White Hot Room, so it should still be applicable. Also while inside the "Nexus of All Realities," Vulcan interacted with avatars of the Phoenix, further supporting it being the White Hot Room.
 
2) But that is still not specifically about the Phoenix.

4) Yes, but the how was not specified in the scan. You are likely correct though. I would just prefer some other scan as well.

5) Thank you for being reasonable. I do not think that they necessarily have a different power level, just personality.

7) We need the following page. The story is "X-Men Forever" in any case. You can find it at *************** if you wish to check.

8) I do not think that seems like clear-cut proof. Sorry.
 
2) It's about the growth that Phoenix is stated to embody.

4) Hm, I'm not sure what the story is, so I can't find any other scans about it.

7) Like I said earlier, I believe this is the next page but I'll check regardless.

8) Well, the White Hot Room does have the statement of being the core of creation as well, so I don't really need that.
 
2) I disagree about that it scales directly to her.

4) Okay. That is too bad.

7) Thanks.

8) Okay. That is good.
 
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