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Phoenix Avatars

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Kepekley has regettably not responded yet. My apologies.
 
Firstly, thank you for the input. Secondly, how is High 1-B WPOTC Jean an outlier exactly? The Phoenix Force is High 1-B. If Jean had its full power, she'd logically be High 1-B. Also why Low 2-C? You said 2-A would be consistent, and considering the several comparisons these Avatars have (Old King Thor, Infinity Gems, Galactus, Eternity, etc), Low 2-C would not make any sense.
 
If she "had" its full power. Statements are overridden by feats, sadly. As per Low 2-C, I saw quite a few scans here within that range, so I was just playing it safe. Our Marvel and DC profiles are highly regulated for feats. Blame the company's consistency, or lackthereof, I guess.
 
What feats would contradict that? The Nexus of All Realities/White Hot Room/Heart of the Phoenix Force stuff would imply Jean has the full power.

Though I would be fine with like an 'At least 2-A' for WPOTC (and by extension the universal Phoenix Force).
 
I still think Low 2-C makes zero sense however, scaling wise. And you did say that would be a low end, so 2-A still makes the most sense.
 
@Kepekley

Thank you for helping out. So which characters should we rescale here, and to what?
 
Yes, but not if we should only adjust Jean's tier or any others as well.
 
LordTracer said:
What feats would contradict that? The Nexus of All Realities/White Hot Room/Heart of the Phoenix Force stuff would imply Jean has the full power.

Though I would be fine with like an 'At least 2-A' for WPOTC (and by extension the universal Phoenix Force).
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Agreed. Being the ultimate Phoenix Host plus being more than a host leans that way.
 
Bump. It was also stated Dark Phoenix by herself is as big of a threat as the M'Krann Crystal... Just in-case anyone tries to imply Green Phoenix was amped by the lifeforce of the X-Men far beyond her regular levels or something.
 
Well, Kepekley seems to have accepted a 2-A Jean Grey, so that should be fine. I do not know about the other hosts though.
 
Well, I don't think there's anything for the Phoenix Five, Hope and Cyclops that I haven't already brought, though I think it should be noted that Hope's shared feat of seemingly erasing the Phoenix Force with the help of Scarlet Witch is accepted for Wanda, and as such should be accepted for Hope as well.
 
It is just a supporting feat for the Scarlet Witch. It is not the main reason for her tier.
 
Yes, but it is still a 2-A feat, and since it's shared between the two, it should logically be accepted for both. Also it's Hope's only feat as White Phoenix.
 
I am not sure. The Phoenix was not portrayed as particularly powerful in this storyline. Did not a weapon from Iron Man severely damage it earlier?
 
The Phoenix buster just caused it to go into the Mutants that would become the Phoenix Five, I don't think it actually damaged The Phoenix Force. However, when Scarlet Witch and White Phoenix Hope erased The Phoenix Force, it reversed the effects of the "no more mutants" catastrophe.
 
Well, I think that it was stated to have been damaged and split up into five parts.

Undoing the effects of "no more mutants" is a legitimate feat if it was done across all universes though.
 
Normally it would be an unquantifiable range feat, but since the Captain Britain story clarified that it threatened the multiverse, it is 2-A, yes.
 
Right, and WP Hope would scale to half of that since she undid its effects by erasing the Phoenix Force with Wanda's help.
 
It depends. Wouldn't yet another change also have threatened the multiverse if it required similar power?
 
I don't think so, as it reversed the effects of the no more mutants that threatened the multiverse in the first place.
 
Didn't Meggan already take care of that?
 
Okay. I suppose that seems to make sense then, but I would prefer more input from Kepekley23.
 
Actually, didn't Meggan reverse the threat from the House of M reality, not the mutant eradication?
 
She reversed the Wave not the "No More Mutants" thing, and even then just a portion of the Wave
 
I brought it up before but phoenix force Logansport is consistently 2-A as well, with feats like killing celestials, fighting and nearly killing old King thor, and fighting future doom
 
Jason Aaron portrays the Celestials as quite weak though.
 
LordTracer said:
I asked Kepekley to give input again on Hope, Scott and the Phoenix Five.
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Thanks.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
I brought it up before but phoenix force Logansport is consistently 2-A as well, with feats like killing celestials, fighting and nearly killing old King thor, and fighting future doom
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Also, that is an alternative future version that appeared very briefly before he was killed off.
 
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