Phoenix Force vs The Unkindness (Jean Grey vs Raven)

[Robo432343]

Jean Grey (Marvel Comics)

Jean Grey-Summers (born Jean Elaine Grey) is a fictional superhero appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The character has been known under the aliases Marvel Girl, Phoenix, and Dark Phoenix. Created by writer Stan Lee and artist Jack Kirby, the character first appeared...

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Raven (Post-Flashpoint)

Raven, also known as Rachel Roth, is a superhero with dark magic powers. Her strong personal motivations and desire to do good conflict with her heritage, as her father is a powerful demon named Trigon who wants to enslave the planet. Her mother is a human woman named Arella who was living in...

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Jean Grey is in her Phoenix Force Key
Raven is in Unkindness Key

 

[Arkansalter2]

Basic Magic carry.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Death battle already told us what happen in this fight and Death battle is a viable source of information

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Jean doesn't really use the abilities thats listed in the basic magic page
I think Raven erases her coz she doesn't resist conceptual NEP erasure and this version of Raven destroys everything

I don't think that's how it works. The reason she has magic is because Phoenix force's power is magic by nature so she is always using all the abilities listed on basic magic in any attack. Also basic magic grants resistance to all the abilities listed there so I think erasing her won't even work because of Marel souls and stuff.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I mean yeah but for example, the basic magic page has plot manipulation but we have literally never seen her use plot hax before. There is no way people are gonna believe that every single magic attack she does has plot hax into it

Magic in marvel comes from the ability to manipulate the plot, basically all attacks are plot manipulation.

what about souls? I dont think the soul prevents her from getting conceptually erased

Marvel has souls being non existent nature type 2 and whatnot and since magic affects astral forma all magic users have resistance to NPI in NEP type 2 which as far as I understand is higher than what Raven does.

 

[Rjdami]

Phoenix

Death battle already told us what happen in this fight and Death battle is a viable source of information

Since when?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Phoenix

Since when?

Since your birth

 

[Rjdami]

Since your birth

I'm just saying, they have made mistakes before and has misrepresented scans before or overlooked feats etc...read the source material yourself instead of relying on what they tell you

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

.read the source material yourself instead of relying on what they tell you

Understood, reading 80 years of comics right now