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With how it's describe it's like a type 4 that work in type 2 scale (so both but just for a part of two)It’s both Type 2 & 4.
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With how it's describe it's like a type 4 that work in type 2 scale (so both but just for a part of two)It’s both Type 2 & 4.
With how it's describe it's like a type 4 that work in type 2 scale (so both but just for a part of two)
it's the other way around since everything in the verse is made up of cognition iircWith how it's describe it's like a type 4 that work in type 2 scale (so both but just for a part of two)
Being made of cognition actually doesn't change that since basically cognition is mostly based on perception of being just that this perception can change the universe or become universe conceptit's the other way around since everything in the verse is made up of cognition iirc
That’s exactly it.It seems to be a Type 2 that can be influenced like a Type 4.
Anyway, NEP (Type 2) looks fine to me.
Why can't one of my fave verses get this cheat?
It’s Type 2 influenced by Type 4.Being made of cognition actually doesn't change that since basically cognition is mostly based on perception of being just that this perception can change the universe or become universe concept
What is Cognition?
Cognition is the driving force of everything that exists within Persona. Composed of the unconscious and conscious thoughts, everyone possess their own cognitive world - their pheneron and perspective of reality. It has so much influence over reality, that reality is composed of it, and that the real world doesn’t exist - a subjective and overall meaningless term. Philemon, one-half of the Collective Unconscious, states that Cognition created space itself. It’s further elaborated here on why Cognition is accepted as Type 2 conceptual manipulation, as well as Type 4.
Why does this matter?
When one is erased from the Collective Unconscious (a mass of Cognition, the source of reality), their concept begins to fade from memory, and then further, erased from existence. Take note of the fact that when they are erased, the Phantom Thieves are within the Velvet Room, a space between the duality of dream and reality, mind and matter, and has no form, alluding the fact that it doesn’t exist. This is further contextualized by the fact that the mind, and the Velvet Room, are stated to be abstract by Elizabeth, a Velvet Attendant.
Okada alludes to the fact that because Igor, and the Velvet Room, is only accessible in a dream (that only has form based off the residents mental perceptions) - Igor (master of the Velvet Room), and Philemon (creator of the Velvet Room), are fabrications of the protagonist’s abstract mind, and may not exist at all.
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- All abilities inherent to Personas, Shadows and Deities are forms of Conceptual Manipulation.
The Collective Unconscious is referred to as a plane of information,despite also being stated to have been created from the psyche of sentient beings, and being composed of basic Jungian archetypes, which are defined as "a collectively inherited unconscious idea, pattern of thought, image,etc., universally present in individual psyches" (i.e. Type 4 concepts). This is further supported by the Collective Unconscious being the source and birthplace of Deities, which are abstract concepts personified.
Additionally, as displayed most clearly in Persona 5, conscious and unconscious human perceptions shape reality just as much as they do the Collective Unconscious, with human perceptions (Type 4 concepts) affecting and changing reality (Type 2 concepts).
With this in mind, it is clear that the "information" that the Collective Unconscious is made of refers to the archetypal concepts of the verse. As such, Personas, which are partially composed of information in the same way that Shadows and Deities are,are equated to being partially composed of archetypal concepts. This also lines up with how Personas are merely different aspects of the human mind, which as we've established, is conceptual in nature. Thus, affecting Personas, Shadows and Deities with attacks and ailments, and similarly, defending from such attacks and ailments, would naturally involve forms of, and resistances to Conceptual Manipulation.
yeah it's a type 2 concept and it's just that it's application variesBeing made of cognition actually doesn't change that since basically cognition is mostly based on perception of being just that this perception can change the universe or become universe concept
It was already accepted? Cognition being Type 2 & 4 was been accepted.
No, they wouldn’t have NEP at all, since they immediately came back. However, Igor & Philemon are NEP, being completely fabricated. Possibly the Attendants, but it’s a very very strong possibly. Everyone can interact with NEP, though.To be clear, this NEP Type 2 would be in its own key? Since they aren't like that constantly.
I see. So, High-Godly regeneration for the Phantom Thieves and Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2) for natives of the Velvet Room if I understood this?No, they wouldn’t have NEP at all, since they immediately came back. However, Igor & Philemon are NEP, being completely fabricated. Possibly the Attendants, but it’s a very very strong possibly. Everyone can interact with NEP, though.
2/3 as archetypes exist above the distinction of things like one's self, being different from others, and the physical/spiritual split being an illusion. Bare minimum would scale to archetypes and above. Not sure about outside of that, persona users would get the ability to interact with these things though.I mean like the why we have transduality, what type, and who does it scale to.
Mmm since it look like transduality type 1 i don't know if the staff thread will help2/3 as archetypes exist above the distinction of things like one's self, being different from others, and the physical/spiritual split being an illusion. Bare minimum would scale to archetypes and above. Not sure about outside of that, persona users would get the ability to interact with these things though.
Doubt it would be type one since it would encompass all existence below Kadath.Mmm since it look like transduality type 1 i don't know if the staff thread will help
Oh, by the way, High-Godly scales to all Persona-users, see OP.I see. So, High-Godly regeneration for the Phantom Thieves and Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2) for natives of the Velvet Room if I understood this?
I think it’s a bit more reliable to say they can temporarily put down Demons (P2), especially since Strega were all dying Persona-users, and Takeya killed Junpei when he wasn’t even defending himself.Wouldn't this give high-godly regen neg to everyone as well? If i recall correctly there's instances of persona users being able to kill eachother, likeStrega in 3
6-D Aegis, she kinda beats her up now.Dang, Aigis still incons Noel, sad days
Never said that.you cant bypass high godly by being higher d though
I believe Milly mentioned that revisions for the compendium are currently being worked on, so you should wait till that CRT is made to bring this up.Rangda and barong endlessly come back even if they die so its type 4 and high godly negation for yaldabaoth and the PT
Er, where?It's already stated they can negate even high godly on the cognition profile, not sure why it isn't there
Wait, I read it wrongEr, where?