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I meant 1-C. Probably should've re-checked. I suppose I should apologies for the confusion.WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
I specified on 1-C and hax.Those in favor of proposed upgrades: Zencha9 (undecided about tiering), deonment (agrees to 1-C), Shizuka (agrees to 1-C), Shivashakti (agrees to abilities only so far), Infiniteday (unspecified to which end they agree with), HSTmaster (agrees to 1-C), Imaginebreaker777 (agrees to 1-C), Garchomp777 (agrees, seemingly, to 1-A), San-Kakarot (agrees to possibly 1-A), AxisPowerRanger (agrees to 1-C for now), EFITE (agrees to 1-A), rtxthegamer (agrees to ability additions only), Millyrockingbandit (agrees to ability additions only neutral to tiering), Akumanohissatsu (agrees to 1-C), BleedingPeach (agrees to 1-C, not opposed to low 1-A), megaraptor (agrees to 1-C).
Neutrals: Hasty12345.
Those against the proposed upgrades: Ultima Reality, Crimsonstarfallen, Edwellken (agrees with sealing for Aegis), ned_the_outer_god, Planck69 (agrees with hax disagrees with tiering), Rikimarox2, emirp sumitpo, regidian, Setsuna_tenma (disagrees with tiering and NEP), Im_Blue, John985, GreatIskander14045, Antvisima.
Please let me know if I forgot someone or misinterpreted their current viewpoint.
My last response to Ultima has all the persona references to evidence the the justification for utilizing the Jung Quotes and the 1-A concepts from in game persona scans, so you may want to give that a gander.Not really pretty sure about 1-A. In fact it just matches it without any back up clear statement or feats there are. But, i agree for 1-C.
I agree with Ultima for disagree
I'm sorry, but since I didn't know that Hax and Tiering were separate topics, I should take a deeper look to that the Hax topic and give you an answer soon enough...Please let me know if I forgot someone or misinterpreted their current viewpoint.
No problem just let me know what you decide.I'm sorry, but since I didn't know that Hax and Tiering were separate topics, I should take a deeper look to that the Hax topic and give you an answer soon enough...
1- High-godly... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... won't dare to bet on that.All mid-late game persona casts receive High Godly Regeneration from willing themselves back into existent after Enlil wiped them from existence. Subsequently, Yaldabaoth/Maruki's existence erasure can erase those with high godly, and Joker can resist both Enlil's and Yaldabaoth's existence erasure.
1:06:21 - 1:09:58
Persona users get Nonexistence interaction for being able to exist and fight in the velvet room. The velvet Room being a place that only subjectively appears to a person like a dream and therefore cannot actually exist. Suffices to fulfill the condition for Nonexistence type 1 given it is an unconventional existence that exists abstractly. Igor and attendants would obviously get NEP physiology.
Late Game level Persona should get casual planetary range for Nyx freezing over the world in P1.
Shadows/Persona/Demons get technology manipulation [1] [2]
Fuutaba and Hikari can hack abstract places such as the velvet room.
Attendants gets creation feats for Liz recreating Junpei's room and this being scalable due to Persona Dancing games.
Myriad Truth's (Yu's ultimate attack) acts as existence erasure against Izanami
Low 1-C BFR for attendants.
BFR resistance for all late-game persona users due to P2 crew being able to resist being hurled into an unknown dimension from Umr.
Probability manipulation for cognition users
Extrasensory Perception for Persona users [1] [2]
Sealing for Aegis
Kotodama or word based reality warping/conceptual for sufficient cognition users
It's pretty clear cut tbh.1- High-godly... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... won't dare to bet on that.
I mean there are only so many scans of the velvet room explaining the velvet room. It "exists" between mind and matter, only forms when a subject can perceive it and conforms to their cognition, exist in an infinite void, and is compared to the ethereal nature of a dream and thus not "real" in a physical or metaphysical (such as a soul) state.2- NEP Type 1: well, yeah. But can't we get more scans than that? What I think isn't what the others think.
I'm not sure what other interpretation this would lend to. "World" is typically used to refer to a universe in persona, in this case it pretty blatantly refers to the world being a planet. as that was Nyx's goal.3- Planetary range: Nope. Not gonna lie to you. Freeze over the "world" doesn't mean that the whole planet got stopped.
Not quite, all technology doesn't work during the dark hour. Which is why we know it was shadow's manipulating it themselves. They are comprised of data.4- Technological Manipulation: mmmmmmmm... isn't that Electricity Manipulation or Energy Manipulation? On that I would say yes if it were those two or one of them; Tech...NO. A Hax I'm not so sure about.
Platonic form will not be 1-A anymore, alredy send the thread when they talk about itWhy do you think ultima is correct? If platonic forms are outerversal, and there's platonic forms in persona which acts like how a true platonic form is supposed to be like, then... That's outerversal
Its the equivalent of saying you have to prove the sun in a fictional verse has the same size and properties as the real sun
I just heard they werePlatonic form will not be 1-A anymore, alredy send the thread when they talk about it
Which thread, i can't seePlatonic form will not be 1-A anymore, alredy send the thread when they talk about it
It won't. Anyway yeah, let's get back on track.I've heard that neo-platonic stuff will still be 1-A, although maybe that was changed as well. Let's change the focus on the CRT.
Honestly you can prob just read the last two responses from myself and Ultima. That's the main meat of this thread. Hope ya feel better.Aah
It's always when I look away for a couple of days that the important thread I've been meaning to look at gets a billion more comments
I'll try to look over everything on here, though I'm a bit occupied + somewhat unwell at the moment, so I might not be able to give a proper response or opinion till later.
updated.As I mentioned earlier, it is strictly the AP upgrades that I am opposed to.
Unless Ultima has told you he was done responding, he and I are still in conversation. He asked me for a pretty important citation and I put down my arguments. So waiting for him to respond to that.Thank you.
1-A seems to have been rejected in any case.