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Persona 5 Profile Creation

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Dragonmasterxyz said:
Well there is also the fact of whether we should accept the protagonist of canonically having Lucifer with Morning Star. He'd have Cosmic Flare due to Satanael learning it naturally though. Also should we account attack animations?
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he should be able to canonically Have morning star

Since it seem's quite obvious Making Having strong bonds with everyone is the canon route of the game

So he could easily be able to fuse Lucifer (the person who learns morning star)
 
So how about this proposition:

MC with Satanael and Yaldabaoth= At least Galaxy level, possibly Multi-Galaxy level (Far stronger than the likes of Okumura's Corporobo MDL-ED in which could do this {insert attack clip here})

Base MC and Party Members= At least Galaxy level (Managed to fight Okumura's Corporobo MDL-ED which could do this {insert clip here again.})

Though of course we'd likely have to make sure said attack is Galaxy level. Speed wise, that attack is likely MFTL+

MC's abilities:

Those of Arsene, Satanael and all other Ultimate Persona's obtained via max social links. This includes the likes of Metatron, Lucifer and Kohryu.

I'm just going by what I've read here though. Hope I'm not jumping the gun.
 
@Dragonmasterxyz

How big is the whole Metaworld, really? Considering that Yaldabaoth was fusing it with the human world.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
@Dragonmasterxyz
How big is the whole Metaworld, really? Considering that Yaldabaoth was fusing it with the human world.
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Uh it seem's to Be just the Size of the earth

Though there is stuff like a moon in kamoshida's palace

But i don't knwo
 
Metaverse is supposed to be as big as reality. Though it depends on what you consider to be reality. It could to anywhere from the planet to the whole universe. Since the universe is a part of reality after all.
 
Can you guys find the statement? If it's supposed to be like, a mirror reflection of reality, and Okumura's palace has stars and stuff, then it can definitely be considered a universe.
 
I don't remember said statement, so I'd like to see it. But regardless Okumura's palace still has stars in the background, so universe level should be a safe assumption. Plus that Big Bang Challenge attack also shows stars in it I believe.
 
Even 4-A pocket realities can have stars in the background. I think that "at least 3-C" seems safer without further proof.
 
I already addressed my concerns recently with several of the special attack animations. The Big Bang Challenge's stars appear to be flickering, which is uncharacteristic of natural stars, which calls into question their legitimacy, along with that of Cosmic Flare.

In addition to this, the Metaverse, as previously stated is reflective of a person's cognition. The Metaverse is essentially a malleable world that appears exactly alike our own except when people with distorted desires distort the Metaverse. In Okumura's case, he viewed Okumura Foods as a spaceport. However, I skeptical of immediately granting the stars witnessed in there legitimacy either, as a Palace is a reflective of the person's thoughts and the Palace appears in the same location as it appears in reality. For instance, Sae sees the court house as a casino, but the surrounding areas are left untouched. With Okumura, the surrounding city around Okumura Foods could simply be representative of the outer space we see, meaning it isn't actually filled with stars and isn't actually that large. When they exited the Metaverse from Okumura's Palace, they appeared in the city surrounding Okumura Foods, meaning the surrounding city is what became the outer space we see, and would only be as large as the city. Makoto even states that the surrounding space isn't a true vacuum, only adding to my suspicion. I hope this all makes any lick of sense.

Granted, Futaba's Palace was a massive desert despite her Palace and distortion only be her house, so maybe I'm just overthinking things and everything I wrote was dumb. The Morning Star feat is fine, however.

Though I do hope we can somehow legitmize these feats. I need meh galaxy-universal P5 cast.
 
Hmm. ROHS seems to make some good points. Perhaps a 5-B real world (as opposed to metaverse) rating would be safer then?
 
@Royalty

Metaverse = Dimension where reality is determined by your cognition.

Palaces = Realms whose form is dictated by their ruler's cognition

Characters can use abilities and powers in the Metaworld often simply through their will alone. Okumura's Big Bang is perfectly legitimate.
 
What do you think about the notion of separate statistics for the metaverse and the real world?
 
There's no need to explain the basic details, I've already explained it up above as well as anyone else had done, and I've had several play-throughs of the game.

And their abilities in the Metaverse is not what is being concerned here, it's the legitimacy of Big Bang, which doesn't display the appropriate characteristics commonly associated with stars (the flickering and they occasionally disappear), neither does Cosmic Flare. If they do not bear the cosmitic applications of a star, why would they bear its size also? The stars that appear in Morning Star appear far more realistic, and are extremely distinct from the stars seen in the previous two attacks. If we should take any feats from these animations, it should be from Morning Star, which is far more reliable from my perspective.
 
Someone should also calculate the attack speed of Morning Star, as it appears that energy radiates from said stars and strikes the enemy. So, how fast a projectle would have to move to arrive at Earth from the furthest visible star in the night sky.
 
I am actually giving base humans stats in the profile, I ranked them 10-A.

If anyone has an argument for 9-C, let me know now so I can fix it.

The key is

Base | Persona/Shadow
 
Also, my opinion

At Least 5-B, possibly 3-A with Yaldaboath and MC

I dont know if we can apply the Okumura palace feat for the same reason we said no to kaguya


And merging the metaverse with the world might be a little vague tbh

I am not sure how to feel about 4-A, 3-C or 3-A god tiers in 5 tbh

That said, if we dont make a distinction with Shin Megami Tensei, Tier 3 are not new to the series.
 
@Royalty of House Scarlet

OH Also to answer your question

using 4 light years as a low end

(trust me you'll see why after you finish reading this)

The attack morning star takes ~3 seconds to compleate

but i'll low end it again by saying 4 seconds

SO the attack would have to be moving Around ...... 31 million time's light speed to travel that far that fast

http://rowvid.com/?v=T95iU5EMtfE

here's the video on rowvid if anybody wants to double check what i'm saying
 
@Royalty of House Scarlet

Just wanna point out that we never actually See them Leave the space port or at least there's nothing saying or showing they didn't leave the space port at any of a diffrent point then where they normally Leave it.
 
@KinkiestSins

"one-Goro Akechi-Incited masses' Distortaion.

Had he won, The world would have been Destroyed and remade." - Levenza (or a reliable source)

So it's not like Yaldaboth Is Just planet level because of fusing mementos and reality together

(even though i don't see how that is anyway shape or form Vauge and also sorry for quoting this reply again and posting it in a diffrent comment I just didn't think of responding to the latter half in my orignal comment on this reply)
 
Please stop spamming the page with quotes. Thank you.
 
I have question. Does anyone know how strong Igor is? The reason I ask this is because yaldabaoth is the first and only antagonist in the entire persona series to ever confront and defeat Igor.
 
I think it is because Yaldabaoth is probably the only one who knows about the likes of Igor and Philemon.
 
Antvasima said:
What do you think about the notion of separate statistics for the metaverse and the real world?
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I disagree.

"the legitimacy of Big Bang, which doesn't display the appropriate characteristics commonly associated with stars (the flickering and they occasionally disappear), neither does Cosmic Flare."

So. What?

Burgers don't have cartoony forces in them and they don't explode. Have you never heard of toon force? Okumura's palace is space-themed, has stars in it, and his attacks are all space-themed like the Big Bang. His place is "real" in the Metaverse because of his cognition, thus they are real.

Also, Persona exists in the same multiverse as Shin Megami Tensei. This is so basic. Catherine (which is the same universe as Persona 3 and 4) has plenty of demons in it and the narrator is the godddess Ishtar.

The former Persona 1 and 2 take place in a deviation from the Shin Megami Tensei I universe, because Radiou Kuzunoha changed the past in these games which led to the nuclear war that destroyed japan not happening. The main character from Shin Megami Tensei IF even appears in Persona 2, and both Philemon and Nyarlathotep (the most powerful characters in Persona) can be considered demons, since Nyarlathotep's later SMT Compendiums reference Persona 2.

And as I noted, the Persona 5 cast is visibly more competent at wielding Personas than the P3 and 4 cast. They don't need emotional catalystics to summon Personas. They just need to concentrate for a bit.
 
I suppose, but does anyone know how strong Igor is? Igor has appeared in persona 2 correct? So would he scale to the P2 cast or no?
 
Why do you not think that the mental and physical world warrant separate statistics?
 
@Ant Wouldn't the P5 cast just be regular humans in the physical world? Besides the other persona pages don't have a physical world statistic either.
 
Okay. I suppose that makes sense.
 
@Dragonmasterxyz We know he was created by Philemon and Created Morgana out of the last remainings of Hope but I don't think that counts towards any statistics But I'm not familiar with persona 2s and 1s story but can I question did igor survive the universal reset I understand the protagonist did Or was he affected by it?


Also @ant sorry about quote spamming I keep forgetting your not suppose to do that and I'm just so use to quoting things when I'm responding to them
 
But I'm not familiar with persona 2s and 1s story but can I question did igor survive the universal reset I understand the protagonist did Or was he affected by it?

It's not quiet right when you said "survive". The universal reset in Persona 2 only requires you to give up your memory in order to exist in the new timeline. Pretty much every human characters choose this way, except Tatsuya. He didnt give up his memory but still want to exist with the new world. As the result, he became a paradox existence and has to goes back to the previous world (the first timeline )in the end of Eternal Punishment

The Velvet room residents do not requires such a conditions to exist in the new timeline. Much like the Velvet Room itself , the residents are not bound by time, that's why the they still have they memories in the new timeline. This is including Igor assistances, Igor himself, Philemon and Nyarlathotep (the whole point of Eternal Punishment is Nyarlathotep joking around the paradox that Tatsuya created, well just heard this from a friend, i'm still on my way playing Eternal Punishment). I suppose this will be an "acasual" upgrade for the residents of Velvet room and Nyarlathotep, no ? then let move on with the P5 profiles creation
 
The Velvet Room is part of the Collective Unconscious and are Philemon's creation. They wouldn't be affected by a reset of the physical universe.
 
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