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Nuh-uh, this aint it chief. We're adressing all this inconsistencies and non-sense.
The focus of this is going to be the palaces and whether or not they are able to be scaled to attack potency and thus tier, but there's a few other issues I have with the verse right now.
First thing - Palaces and their creations are not legitimate creation feats.
I hate to tell you this but it has to be done. Palaces are not valid creation feats. They lack the fundmental prerequisites to be considered as such. We don't have a timeframe for how long it takes to create a palace. It could have been pieced together over the course of a few years - a construction worker isn't 9-A because he built a house in 5 years. It needs to be reasonably instant for it to be valid. The truth is we don't exactly know how long a palace takes to form. We know that the distorted desires manifest as a shadow first and into a palace later on but we don't know exactly how long that takes. Assuming it is created instantly is wank.
Furthermore we don't have a means as to how it was created. This is important, because if I can build a house in 2 seconds with my super speed it would still not work as a creation feat. Why? Because my speed can't be correlated to my strength (at least, that's how we treat it in fiction since every single verse violates the conservation of energy). If I created the house in 2 seconds with my magic powers, then it stands to reason that attacking with my magic powers should scale with the previous creation feat; I'm repurposing the energy I used to built with for attacking in a logical way. Unless the palace was physically created by the shadow clapping their hands and having their magical influence suddenly create it, then it is not a valid feat.
Second thing - The shadows don't even create their own palace. Yaldabaoth creates it for them.
This is something that is confusing until I finally finished the game. It's clarified that palaces are not created by shadows but by the ruler of Mementos - Yaldabaoth. Shido says here that people with strong twisted desires are segregated and locked away in their own Palace, nothing about them creating it. They rule their palaces but they don't create them.(This is also stated on the SMT wikia.) This makes more sense then the shadows creating them. Since Mementos/Yalda was destroyed why would it have any effect on other peoples palaces? Maybe because, I dunno, he is the one creating them?
Overall these are not legit creation feats in any sense of the word.
Third thing - The main cast does not scale 1-1 with the palace rules/shadow counterparts.
If they did, they wouldn't need an entire group to bring them down. Many times do we see them struggling and getting knocked down by them in cutscenes. They need a team because they aren't as strong as their opponent. Have you ever tried just using Joker in a boss fight? You're going to reset the game many many times on normal mode.
The focus of this is going to be the palaces and whether or not they are able to be scaled to attack potency and thus tier, but there's a few other issues I have with the verse right now.
First thing - Palaces and their creations are not legitimate creation feats.
I hate to tell you this but it has to be done. Palaces are not valid creation feats. They lack the fundmental prerequisites to be considered as such. We don't have a timeframe for how long it takes to create a palace. It could have been pieced together over the course of a few years - a construction worker isn't 9-A because he built a house in 5 years. It needs to be reasonably instant for it to be valid. The truth is we don't exactly know how long a palace takes to form. We know that the distorted desires manifest as a shadow first and into a palace later on but we don't know exactly how long that takes. Assuming it is created instantly is wank.
Furthermore we don't have a means as to how it was created. This is important, because if I can build a house in 2 seconds with my super speed it would still not work as a creation feat. Why? Because my speed can't be correlated to my strength (at least, that's how we treat it in fiction since every single verse violates the conservation of energy). If I created the house in 2 seconds with my magic powers, then it stands to reason that attacking with my magic powers should scale with the previous creation feat; I'm repurposing the energy I used to built with for attacking in a logical way. Unless the palace was physically created by the shadow clapping their hands and having their magical influence suddenly create it, then it is not a valid feat.
Second thing - The shadows don't even create their own palace. Yaldabaoth creates it for them.
This is something that is confusing until I finally finished the game. It's clarified that palaces are not created by shadows but by the ruler of Mementos - Yaldabaoth. Shido says here that people with strong twisted desires are segregated and locked away in their own Palace, nothing about them creating it. They rule their palaces but they don't create them.(This is also stated on the SMT wikia.) This makes more sense then the shadows creating them. Since Mementos/Yalda was destroyed why would it have any effect on other peoples palaces? Maybe because, I dunno, he is the one creating them?
Overall these are not legit creation feats in any sense of the word.
Third thing - The main cast does not scale 1-1 with the palace rules/shadow counterparts.
If they did, they wouldn't need an entire group to bring them down. Many times do we see them struggling and getting knocked down by them in cutscenes. They need a team because they aren't as strong as their opponent. Have you ever tried just using Joker in a boss fight? You're going to reset the game many many times on normal mode.
