Paws of Destiny: Potential Upgrades .

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

In the Paws of Destiny, the sequel to Kung fu Panda 3, we saw some interesting feats that seemingly may imply far higher than what we currently have right now.

Wellspring:

• The Wellspring , the Chi of the entire Universe, which was stated consistently throughout Paws of Destiny Stated to be the strongest force of Good in the Universe

Spirit World:

First Off. let us relay what we know about the Spirit World:

• In Episode 10 & 12 shows it contains a Sun within it
• Described as having no true borders, imply it is likely far greater in size than intended .
• It is also described as not following the rules of their world. Also... States there is nothing beyond this realm but darkness . Considering Multiple Statements of 'World' implying Universe throughout Kung Fu Panda, it's safe to assume that Spirit World is at least the size of the Universe at highest, and can contain a sun at lowest. So... "At least High 4-C, possibly High 3-A or Low 2-C / 2-C [if we assume that both are separate Low 2-C realities and the Wellspring connects to both of them".

( Me & Nedge were discussing that in the artbook they referred to the Spirit Realm as a higher level of existence and a higher-dimension than the Universe, possibly hinting at 5-D Spirit World... But that will be analyzed another day. )

Scaling:

• States that only those who have greater power than the Spirit World itself can find a means of escape . Notice it says "find a way out", meaning any person whose done this in the past , regardless of methods, has ki/spiritual strength greater than the Universe... As this isn't hax-based, but a AP statement.
• Jindiao with Current Po's Hero Chi... Combined with the Wellspring ... Was stated to have enough power to accomplish this
• Kai in the beginning of Kung Fu Panda 3 escaped Spirit World as well, and statements by Oogway that he was a threat to the Universe seems to make him scaling to this consistent . He was stomped by Empowered Po and was stated to be far stronger using his Hero Chi alone twice in Paws of Destiny [Even Po due to calling himself Dragon Master percieves himself far stronger than he was ever before using Mastery of Chi] , meaning that Current Hero Chi Po >>>> Mastery of Chi KFP3 Po at the end of the Movie.
• The Four Constellations were the only power great enough to give Jindiao the power to access the Wellspring . Thusly, the 4 Constellations themselves should be far stronger than Current Po, as Jindiao already absorbed his powers . Also, individual some of the Constellations were even able to outright overpower Jindiao w/ Current Po's Hero Chi... So they easily scale >>> Kai , KFP 3 Empowered Po , and Current Hero's Chi Po
• Both Current Hero's Chi Po and the 4 Constellations were also able to harm Jindiao empowered by the Wellspring + Current Hero's Chi Po, so they shouldn't be leagues below him in power output.
• Oogway was specifically stated to do the following: "With your chi I will finally be able to return to the mortal world". So Oogway should scale promptly to this as well, and obviously Kai since he has his chi along with several masters..

High 4-C, possibly Low 2-C Rating doesn't scale to: Furious Five , Ke-Pa (He was a entity Pre-KFP3 and doesn't even remotely scale to that version of Hero's Chi Po, much less the ludicrously stronger versions) , Tai Lung , Shifu , and Shen

High 4-C,possibly Low 2-C rating would scale to: Kung Fu Panda 3 Po [Post-KFP3 Hero's Chi / Mastery of Chi KFP 3 Po] , Four Constellations [Hero's Chi] , Jindiao [Post-Absorbing Po's Chi & Post-Wellspring Empowerment] , Oogway [Hero's Chi] , & Kai [Beginning of Movie/Post-Oogway's Ki Absorption]

So.... Jindiao (Empowered by Hero's Chi Po & Wellspring >=Four Constellations>>Jindiao (Post-Current Hero's Chi Po)>>Current Hero's Chi Po>>>>KFP3Mastery of Ki Po>>>Kai

 

[Numbersguy]

I don't know, seems too metaphorical

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Metaphorical ? It was directly stated , no strings attached , that it takes a greater power than the Spirit World to escape it . That seems as direct as it should be. Plus Jindiao being empowered by the Wellspring, the Chi of the Universe, and Po fighting him head on head should prove he scales to that high-end even without using the Spirit World.

 

[Numbersguy]

We don't know the Spirit World's real size either though, no idea if it is the same size as the universe

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

In the artbook they do refer to it as a alternate reality. I saw a preview of the Spirit Realm page and it referred to it as a alternate reality. I'll get the scan ASAP.

At bare minimum it should be High 4-C because in Episode 10 and 12 we saw a Sun within one of the dimensions inside of the Spirit Realm, and that was only a small segment of the Spirit Realm.

 

[Numbersguy]

Show the scan, we need an admin here tho. Just in-case

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

@Numbersguy Unfortunately it seems I cannot seem to access that scan ... As finding ways to see Art of Kung Fu Panda without buying it is difficult. I do know it's specifically on page 149 of that book... I just need to find some way of accessing it. I know this because someone who had the book told me that was what it stated, and it lined up with the Wikia and what it said about the Spirit World being a alternate reality.

 

[Numbersguy]

Oh... damn

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Bump. Couldn't we still scale based on the whole "Fought someone empowered by the Chi of the Entire Universe" thing to Low 2-C ?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Bump. And the fact they should scale considering they (The Constellations) use said Wellspring as a power source, and that only something equivalent to the power of the Wellspring + Beyond can break the Spirit World according to what we saw earlier ?

 

[DMUA]

Okay Tier 4 Alictization is one thing but this right here is gonna need some questioning

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I know. I was hoping for more people to respond to this revision. I did a lot of digging for this from the new season : Paws of Destiny & I hoped this would at least get some light shed on it.

Okay... Where do you want me to explain first ?

 

[DMUA]

Hmm... It seems just wierd, really, that Hero's Chi makes Po several digits stronger, but I guess it's not the most contradictory thing I've seen.

I'm fine if it's At least High 4-C, possibly 3-A to Low 2-C

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Oh. Okay... For the God-Tiers... It's to be " At least High 4-C , possibly 3-A to Low 2-C " indeed. Our minds think similarly in this regard... Nothing to say there.

So the scaling is kind of like this for those upgraded : Dragon Jindiao (Empowered by Hero's Chi Po & Wellspring )>=Four Constellations (Fought Jindiao and the strongest of them managed to defeat him. Held their own against Dragon Jindiao far better than Hero's Chi Po) >>Jindiao (Post-Current Hero's Chi Po)>>Current Hero's Chi Po (Stated to be stronger than he ever was before.Fought well agaisnt Jindiao empowered by Hero's Chi Po and Wellspring , but was eventually overpowered)>>>>KFP3 Mastery of Ki Po (Shook the Spirit World in his final clash with Kai. Stomped Kai) >>>Kai (Absorbed Oogway's ki, which is directly stated in KFP3 as capable of escaping the Spirit World, which means Oogway>Spirit World. Has hi ki ontop of the ki of all china) > Oogway (Can escape the Spirit World himself, implying Spirit World <Oogway)

 

[JJSliderman]

I know this is like super necro but I didn't wanna open a new thread.

Oogway honestly deserves an upgrade.

Him having Hero's Chi should put him on a similar level to Master Black Tortoise, since Hero's Chi is established as basically the strongest type of chi in the series. That said, Black Tortoise's feat that Paws of Destiny Po scales off of should also scale to Oogway.

 

[GyroNutz]

I've opened a new Paws of Destiny thread, like I said I would in the last one.