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Pain (Naruto) vs Alcides (Fate/Strange Fake)

Alright. The technology stuff is useless due to the nemian lion thing, so we can ignore that. Alchides will also likely end up stealing one of the abilities of the paths of pain via pandora if he gets pushed into a corner. The regen should also be countered by 9 lives, and should also counter the king of hell. Their summons should basically cancel each other out in this match

Also, where does this fight take place? because that matters a lot due to Berserker's From Hell that archer took
 
Central Park, New York City as already stated in the OP.

I do not have enough imagination to put opponents in a more balanced and optimized location than in Snowfield-like place, so... Assuming, Archer holds advantage in this aspect?
 
@Dragon

Because they're different enough in terms of stats and abilities to warrant separate profiles.
 
how would the lion thing stop the technology? You do know that the Rinengan that makes them originates from aliens right? Not humans.
 
Solacis said:
@Dragon
Because they're different enough in terms of stats and abilities to warrant separate profiles.
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There's a lot of people that change their abilities and stats heavily from key to key.
 
They're different servants. And are different in almost everyway in fighting style and abilities. Sure, they come from the same existence in the throne of heroes, but you can pretty much treat them as different beings. I don't even know if we can treat stay night and strange fake as the same canon, even if it's the same verse. And we have different profiles for different versions of Superman. Kars from Jorge Joestar is in a different profile than Kars from Battle Tendency, etc...

Anyway, for the match in itself, i need to reread Pain abilities.
 
Rocker1189 said:
how would the lion thing stop the technology? You do know that the Rinengan that makes them originates from aliens right? Not humans.
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It is not specifically human technology, but Civilization as a whole
 
But it wasn't made by civilization either. The ability itself comes from a combination of genetics and the energy of the planet beinbg mixed in hagaromo and later users..
 
That's cause Kars is a non canon version that's different and Superman is pretty much a different person with the same backstory each reboot. Servants are just the person at different times during their lives. (Besides the obvious exceptions)
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
That's cause Kars is a non canon version that's different and Superman is pretty much a different person with the same backstory each reboot. Servants are just the person at different times during their lives. (Besides the obvious exceptions)
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or different aspects of their legend
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
But it wasn't made by civilization either. The ability itself comes from a combination of genetics and the energy of the planet beinbg mixed in hagaromo and later users..
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most of that is a technique that someone had to sit their and create. You know for a fact someone on that other planet had to create that technology before they could replicate it with body manipulation via a technique that pain eventually got from his eyes. Thus, it is from civilization
 
Alright, so if the fighting location is central park that means that From Hell is gonna do a really massive strength boost. If the difference between berserker without any form of enhancement and a full power From Hell is the difference between a wild animal or wall level a high end combat ready servant that can basically one shot a divine beast, that would mean Berserker is gonna have a massive strength advantage outside of maybe the full power gravity attacks
 
No, they were litirally genetic stuff that they were born with like good mary sues. The tecnology wasn't created, the otsotsuki don't use tecnology, and hagoromo has the tecnology, which he never even saw in his life. This is an inherent power they got by eating the energy of planets, no inventions or anything.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Alright, so if the fighting location is central park that means that From Hell is gonna do a really massive strength boost. If the difference between berserker without any form of enhancement and a full power From Hell is the difference between a wild animal or wall level a high end combat ready servant that can basically one shot a divine beast, that would mean Berserker is gonna have a massive strength advantage outside of maybe the full power gravity attacks
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He can only have a 1.6 AP advantage, anything more and it's high 7-A, which you'll have to make a crt for.
 
No. Only Hagoromo and after used this skill, and it's something inherent to the eye. They are not always tecnological, not that it matters overly.


Main thing here is that I don't see what archer does to having what happen to the rasenshuriken done to him (exploded from the inside), he will have problems with the cerberus and it reproducing over and over, the paths can be ressurected if needed, they obviously outnumber him and the animal path can just summon them away while the the summons keep him distracted to heal up.
 
So he did develop the technique then?

their resurection nor Regenerationn don't matter that much, he has 9 lives which is basically made just to deal with that kind of thing. He has his own summons to deal with theirs.
 
No. He was born with it. What part of "genetic" or "they were born with like good mary sues" doesn't make that clear? I also higly doubt it nullifies a ll magic that was developed either.

What? They can keep resurrecting endlessly, and the main sthicck of pains cerberus summon is that it duplicates, how many summons does archer have again? And how many would be simply sneak-killed by the human path?
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Alright, so if the fighting location is central park that means that From Hell is gonna do a really massive strength boost.
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Alcides shouldn't have access to From Hell. He isn't summoned with it and there isn't a key for Alcides' after having stolen Jack's NP.
 
It is listed as one of the abilities that he stole using Pandora. Also, I don't think this is even the normal way people summon archer herc, it is his own unique thing
 
He stole it in tome 4 iirc? Anyway, it's fair to restrict this equipement, as he's not summoned with it. But if it's not precised in the OP; we could assume he can use From Hell.
 
Anything he is summoned with is fair game not what he has stolen from someone else. We wouldn't give Astolfo AK so why give Alcides From Hell?

Regardless, Alcides still wins. He completely outranges Pain, lolnopes pretty much everything with his MR and Lion Skin, he has a stat amp that works for both cqc and range, stupid amounts of summons to match the Animal Path, Reincarnation Pandora to just steal the Rinnegan, his arrows are gonna be poisoned (there is no way his bow isn't the Hydra Bow and there is no way it isn't poisoned), Battle Continuation keeps him going even when extremely injured, EotM(T) means pseudo precog to help deal with the numbers disadvantage, and Nine Lives guarantees a one shot on whatever he aims at (which can be used with any weapon available).
 
He was modified to be Alcides which gave him K'sO and RP, him stealing From Hell from Jack was an in the moment kind of thing that wouldn't happen otherwise or else that would be like giving TArcher prep time.
 
If Pandora's box makes it so that Alcides having From Hell is in the Throne, then he should have it but if it doesn't then he shouldn't.
 
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