Overlord - City Level Downgrades

[Muchacho_mrm]

Killing an entire city with one attack is a feat only ritual magic can do for people below level 50. An example would be Khajiit. Also People forget that Evileye doesn't scale to a level 50 caster since she herself wasted over 20 levels on her racial classes and spend the rest of her levels to become a 5th tier caster. Around late 50s are where 9th tier casters are at and at that point you could use [Nuclear Blast] to destroy a city, of-course with a spell modifier.

In that regard Overlord is a-bit...Unbalanced. Despite dealing fire damage, bludgeoning damage, as well as poison/negative effects (radiation), as well as having a large area effect larger than almost all spells, [Nuclear Blast] is considered one of the weaker 9th tier spells. So scale =/= power level

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

What are you talking about! Overlord is perfectly balanced as all things should be

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

During their fight Ainz summons lightning from the sky to hit Shaltear
The scene is very similar in the novels and its pretty clear that the lightning bolts came from the sky.

'ÒÇîTriplet Maximize Magic - Call Greater ThunderÒÇì.'

'The crimson blaze — one of Ainz's weaknesses — engulfed him, while three gigantic strokes of lightning earthed themselves through Shalltear's body'


Shaltear doesnt dodge any of the lightning bolts so this wouldnt really effect their reaction speed but what about attack speed ?

[The step leader that initiates the lightning flash propagates downward from the cloud at a rate of about 320,000 ft per second or about 220,000 miles per hour. The return stroke (the current that cause the visible flash) moves upward at a speed of about 320,000,000 ft per second or about 220,000,000 miles per hour (about 1/3 the speed of light).]

Pretty sure 'Call Greater Thunder' doesn't sound normal. Also in that very same volume Shalltear moved before those light speed arrows reached her, they even turned 90 degrees to chase her.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Speed discussion should be saved for another time, this is about City level mid tiers

Since everyone agrees, I'm not sure there's much more to be done ,other than applying the changes

 

[InfiniteSped]

Since everyone seems to agree, plus a staff member, could the changes be made?

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

I think that it shouldn't apply to Narberal since she's a 8th tier caster and we don't know what 8th tier is capable of. It should apply to everyone else you've listed

 

[Apeironaxim]

What tier they can cast doesn't matter, since magic strength scales as you improve yourself

One person's Tier 8 power is not everyone else's

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Magic strength scales with caster levels as well as level to determine magic attack stat. One person's tier 8 does apply to tier 8 casters, the attack potency increases but not the range. Caster levels fluctuate between 6-7 levels. A tier 8 spell casted by Ainz would do more damage than Narberal casting it but their range is determined from the start, hence spell modifiers that increase range, as well as other stuff

 

[InfiniteSped]

She's surely the strongest of the bunch, but she doesn't really have any clear feats that'd give her a higher rating than the others

 

[Apeironaxim]

I am vehemently against scaling Attack potency to what Tier they can cast unless it's a very specific example, as magic casters strength can vary wildly even in the same Tier

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Attack potency is determine by spell and not tier yes, but my point was range. Narberal is 8th tier, we don't what she is capable of at that tier, perhaphs she has large AOE she can spam. Of-course in Overlord range doesn't =/= actually damage, as I've already said about [Nuclear Blast]

 

[InfiniteSped]

She should get the "far higher" as well, but if she doesn't have feats, we can't keep her at city level

 

[InfiniteSped]

Also, the matches for Evileye, Lupus and CZ should be removed as well, since they're all stomps now.

 

[InfiniteSped]

Since there doen't seem to be any quantifiable feat for these characters, at the moment, can the downgrades to "At least Building Level, like far higher" be made?

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

A-bit sad. Narberal can definitely destroy a city in a short amount of time while someone melee of equal level like the first seat of the Black Scripture would be forced to take days if not weeks to destroy a city. My whole point of range =/= power level

oh well

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Id say be hopeful of getting more feats in the future, but we still havent seen over half the gaurdians display there abilities so.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Meh, Mare has the largest AOE among the guardians. His destructive capabilities shouldn't really be a standard for the guardians if/when he shows his abilities soon. After all, Cocytus would make mince meat out of him

 

[InfiniteSped]

Also, Skeletal Dragon should lose the City Level magic negation.

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

i mean, in theory should still be able to resist tier 6 spells from Ainz.

 

[InfiniteSped]

We don't know how strong his tier 6 spells are though. He even says that lvl 100s will only use tier 8 or higher while fighting each other.

 

[HereComesBigBoi]

this sounds good to me

 

[InfiniteSped]

Well, this has been up for a while, and there doesn't seem to be any opposition. So I guess I'll start making the changes, if no one minds . . .

 

[InfiniteSped]

Think I'm done

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Wait has anyone added evileyes soul hax yet?

 

[InfiniteSped]

don't think so

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Would you mind?

 

[InfiniteSped]

You could do it, I guess. We don't know much about the mechanics of how her version works though, so it'd be hard to say how strong it is.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

We know it ripped a city for its potency, I have no confidence in my own ablity to edit profiles.

 

[InfiniteSped]

We don't really know if it requires any kind of preparation or ritual, for example. Or if she destroyed cities in one go.

Guess I can add it.

 

[Apeironaxim]

You mean her Talent?

 

[InfiniteSped]

ye

 

[Apeironaxim]

Can't she not use it though?

Because it's currently being used to not turn her into a mindless zombie?

 

[InfiniteSped]

The impression I got is that she could use it. She just can't drop it and take another spell.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

She cant release it, she can still use it to add more souls. We know she can do this as she explains she could destroy a city with her talent and has done so before

 

[Apeironaxim]

The wiki says it's very unlikely she'll use it

So even if it's added, it probably won't come up

oof for Evileye

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Still should be there for bloodlusted matches.

edit kinda like her innate vampiric abilities she has them but she'll almost never use them outside bloodlusted matches

 

[Apeironaxim]

hopefully her and the Pleiades can have matches now that they're in a lower tier

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

hopefully her and the Pleiades can have matches now that they're in a lower tier

Well, about that...

 

[Apeironaxim]

so..this finally conlcuded?

 

[InfiniteSped]

Their 7-B matches are still there. Forgot to delete then, and can't really do it rn.