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Overlord - City Level Downgrades

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With the new Overlord Bonus Volume out, we got some information about Evileye that should downgrade her and pretty much everyone that scales to her.

Currently, she's rated City Level for this statement of being able to annihilate a city with her talent. Problem is, the Character Sheet from the Bonus Volume says exactly what her talent is: Spell Absorption, basically. She can absorb one spell from someone else inside her body and use it herself (although it's weaker than the original).

She subconsciously used it to absorb Cure Elim's Soul Rip/Absorption magic, and absorbed her parent's souls, which is why she didn't turn into a mindless zombie. That's the spell she has stored in the main story, because if she had dispelled the spell and tried to absorb another, she'd have just turned into a mindless zombie.

So, yes, she could annihilate a city: by killing everyone on it with soul rip Wild Magic. Shouldn't really scale to Attack Potency in any way.

Another reason I remember seeing for City Level ratings was because of Lakyus' sword, which Lakyus stated off-screen that could destroy a whole country, and later Evileye said that it could destroy a city, comparing her own Talent to it . Problem is, Lakyus is a Chuuni , so her talks about her weapon being a sentient sword of pure evil darkness that can destroy a country shouldn't really be taken serious.

While Evileye did say that it could destroy a city, there's some context to that. That being, she's just repeating what she heard from Gagaran in Volume 5. I saw some people saying that Evileye knew the original owner, so she should be aware that it could destroy a city, but in Volume 10, right after talking about her talent and the sword, she talks a bit more about the sword, and it's clear that she has no first-hand experience with it, and is just paraphrasing what the Chuuni Lakyus said about it.

There are some other statments about destroying cities, from the Dragons and some Demon Lords, but no timeframe is ever given iirc, and there isn't much context to all that, we only know that they were rampaging around and destroying cities, and you don't necessarily need to be city level to destroy one over an unknown period of time.

Pages that should be affected:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Olasird'arc_Haylilyal

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Fluder_Paradyne

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lakyus_Aindra

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Evileye

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Skeletal_Drago

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Entoma_Vasilissa_Zeta

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Solution_Epsilo

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/CZ2128_Delta

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Narberal_Gamma

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lupusregina_Beta

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Yuri_Alpha
 
Im not saying they are just that we should look over the qoutes, the dragon could have wiped out the qouga, and did take over a city. flueder could have taken on the empires army, evileye and her group could destroy thousands of undead with ease.

Im not saying this makes them city level but we should go over what we know these characters are capable of to get a sense of scale for what they would currently be.
 
At the moment I feel downgrading them to building level/ building level+ Should be sufficient but ill wait to hear more from others before makeing my stance.
 
I reluctantly agree with this.

Between this and previous discussions on the matter I'll admit I jumped the gun when making the ratings.

Is there any other feats for her and comparable individuals? 8-C seems really lowball, especially for Pleiades.
 
No clear-cut feats above building level, I think.

There's one statement of Lakyus's sword atomizing a bunch of demons, so that could be good. Not sure if it was meant to be literal though.
 
The pen or the sword said:
Im not saying they are just that we should look over the qoutes, the dragon could have wiped out the qouga, and did take over a city. flueder could have taken on the empires army, evileye and her group could destroy thousands of undead with ease.
Im not saying this makes them city level but we should go over what we know these characters are capable of to get a sense of scale for what they would currently be.
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Heres some feats/statements
 
The Empire's army is just tens of thousands of lvl 10s, with some 3rd-4th tier magic casters around + the Four Great Knights, who are still below Gazef. Beating all of those over time shouldn't be above what he already has.

The Quagoa's king was said to be able to beat his entire race, and he was only lvl 40. Again, beating all of those shouldn't be above the ratings they're going to get now

Beating armies of undead isn't all that impressive, save for numbers, really. Most of them are quite weak, and even the strong ones can be defeated through teamwork by mid-level adventurers.
 
I agree with downgrading lvl 50+'s.

I recall the Foreboding using (i think it was) 4th tier magic to cause storm clouds over the lizardmen villages, would that reasonably scale?
Overlord II EP02 002 (1)
 
While normally it wouldn't, as magic power scales as you improve, this is just summoning a storm

But I'm not sure if it's mentioned how strong that thing is
 
They do the same thing in Volume 9 though, and Fluder says it might have been above 6th tier, so we can't really be sure.
 
The ratings might just have to be Likely Far Higher, considering a 5 level difference is supposed to be a big gap, or at least a very noticeable one
 
Apeironaxim said:
The ratings might just have to be Likely Far Higher, considering a 5 level difference is supposed to be a big gap, or at least a very noticeable one
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I agree with this. Gazef is building level and he's in the low thirties, so people in their fifties like Evileye should be far higher.
 
EmperorDoom25 said:
Building level Overlord? Time to finally throw them at jojo characters and see the chaos, ovo
I agree with the OP btw
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We already have 8-C Overlord, they just didn't have much hax. Probably still don't
 
Shit, there goes my source ideas for making a match for my characters, i dunno how to feel it right now but welp....i agree with this.

Now excuse me, leme scream in upset in corner *run into the corner and scream*
 
Speaking of downgrading I'm not sure it makes sense for lvl 50+ characters' speed to scale from the lvl 100s. Demiurge and PW Ainz were moving faster than Evileye could follow even though they probably weren't fighting seriously.
 
I think Pleiades speed scaling was looking at their stat sheets

But those are very...weird...so maybe they shouldn't

Here's a feat to scale to instead:

Moments later, the moment when Zaryusu closed in— Something flashed with a loud bang before the eyes of Zaryusu as he leapt to the side. That was the sound made by Zenberu's halberd.

Sounds like a sonic boom, so that's something

Ah nevermind, just checked her profile, thought she was only scaling from the level 100s

my bad
 
During their fight Ainz summons lightning from the sky to hit Shaltear The scene is very similar in the novels and its pretty clear that the lightning bolts came from the sky.

'ÒÇîTriplet Maximize Magic - Call Greater ThunderÒÇì.'

'The crimson blaze — one of Ainz's weaknesses — engulfed him, while three gigantic strokes of lightning earthed themselves through Shalltear's body'


Shaltear doesnt dodge any of the lightning bolts so this wouldnt really effect their reaction speed but what about attack speed ?
 
The lightning came directly from the sky though, according to this, cloud-to-ground lightning is considered to be real lightning, as long there is nothing suggesting otherwise.
 
Wasn't the lake freezing feat 7-B or did something go wrong with that?
 
TheOneBelowAll123 said:
The lightning came directly from the sky though, according to this, cloud-to-ground lightning is considered to be real lightning, as long there is nothing suggesting otherwise.
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I'm pretty sure that real lightning wouldn't do much damage to someone who has City Level durability.
 
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