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These are obviously fine.

10 USD/Month Ultra Supporters: No displayed advertisements. Longer signature texts. Larger size for personal user images. A tastefully worded brief personal description text. A small inoffensive image included in one's signature.
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A small image is fine. We can probably restrict the size so that it doesn't get spammy and take up the entire page.

20 USD/Month Deluxe Supporters: No displayed advertisements. Longer signature texts. Larger size for personal user images. A tastefully worded brief personal description text. A small inoffensive image included in one's signature. Making 1 request per month in a pinned wiki management forum request thread for guaranteed staff evaluations of content revision discussion threads, but only for threads that the Deluxe Members have created themselves, and only evaluated in a normal manner, not necessarily with any favourable outcomes.
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1 thread per month per user is fine, I don't think we will get more than 5 of those threads in a month. And considering we have about 40 thread mods and admins it should not be any hassle. I mean, if a certain user really wants attention to their thread, they currently ping every staff member on their walls and somebody or the other usually responds. This shouldn't be any different. It will give that user ease of getting attention/evaluation from staff. But it should be made clear that the evaluation will be fair and not biased/supportive of the thread.

One more thing I would suggest here is to change the name. Supporter, Super Supporter, Ultra Supporter, Deluxe Supporter is fine. But I think names like "Bronze Tier Member", "Silver Tier", Gold, Platinum, Diamond or something like that can be better?
 
Not sure if you've posted it anywhere, but a breakdown of the costs could be good, like how much you're paying for servers, the system manager, anti-DDOS, stuff like that. So people are more likely to donate knowing what they money is being used for. My only experience with this kind of stuff is Lichess, and they do it like that.
 
AKM sama said:
One more thing I would suggest here is to change the name. Supporter, Super Supporter, Ultra Supporter, Deluxe Supporter is fine. But I think names like "Bronze Tier Member", "Silver Tier", Gold, Platinum, Diamond or something like that can be better?
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No, I suggest premium Supporter, supreme Supporter, and Ultimate Supporter are better
 
Dread said:
I have a suggestion for benefits:
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Thank you for trying to help out.
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I will assume first that this forum is using Xenforo (correct me if I am wrong)
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That is correct, yes.
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— Access to the dark mode
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All members here already have that access though.
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— A custom user title
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That was suggested previously, and seems fine to me.
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— Color Upgrades (Name color choice)
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Is that really necessary if the members already get badges and custom titles?
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— Medals (if you donate for 1 year, you get a diamond-looking medal...etc)
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That seems like a good idea.

Based on AKM's suggestions below, maybe we could keep my previous tier titles, but also give permanent bronze, silver, gold, and diamond medals for Supporters, Super Supporters, Ultra Supporters, and Deluxe Supporters who respectively donate for 1 year each?
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These are obviously fine.
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Thank you.
AKM sama said:
A small image is fine. We can probably restrict the size so that it doesn't get spammy and take up the entire page.
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Okay. That is good then.
AKM sama said:
1 thread per month per user is fine, I don't think we will get more than 5 of those threads in a month. And considering we have about 40 thread mods and admins it should not be any hassle. I mean, if a certain user really wants attention to their thread, they currently ping every staff member on their walls and somebody or the other usually responds. This shouldn't be any different. It will give that user ease of getting attention/evaluation from staff. But it should be made clear that the evaluation will be fair and not biased/supportive of the thread.
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Yes, agreed.
AKM sama said:
One more thing I would suggest here is to change the name. Supporter, Super Supporter, Ultra Supporter, Deluxe Supporter is fine. But I think names like "Bronze Tier Member", "Silver Tier", Gold, Platinum, Diamond or something like that can be better?
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See my response earlier in this post for a mixed solution that I think seems good, but the titles obviously depend on what our staff as a whole think seems best.
 
InfiniteSped said:
Not sure if you've posted it anywhere, but a breakdown of the costs could be good, like how much you're paying for servers, the system manager, anti-DDOS, stuff like that. So people are more likely to donate knowing what they money is being used for. My only experience with this kind of stuff is Lichess, and they do it like that.
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I do not think that our forum owner would accept making all of that completely public, but although the current costs are partially offset by our advertisements, this was not the case for over a year initially.
 
Antvasima said:
All members here already have that access though.
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Just restrict the access to donators :p
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Is that really necessary if the members already get badges and custom titles?
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I mean, it's only a feature suggestion, so people can choose a primary color for their profile. I don't think it's a bad idea. Just restrict it for Super Supporter.

Also, one “small” suggestion/fix:

Change the banner on https://www.patreon.com/vsbattles. It looks awkward. Just use Photoshop and create a banner for it (I know it is not that important, but a little fix won't harm you at all.)
 
Is that really necessary if the members already get badges and custom titles?

If the colour of the person's actual name can be changed, rather than just the badges below the person's name, I think people would enjoy that quite a lot. I didn't consider that possibility, and think it's quite a good idea.

EDIT: It seems like the user meant a colour change for that profile. That also sounds less-than-certain to be possible since it might be built into the theme used, but would be a nice addition if it was.

Based on AKM's suggestions below, maybe we could keep my previous tier titles, but also give permanent bronze, silver, gold, and diamond medals for Supporters, Super Supporters, Ultra Supporters, and Deluxe Supporters who respectively donate for 1 year each?

I like this, but do have a slight concern about title bloat. I'd hope that only the highest one gets shown, so that if (for example) AKM donated at the top level for a year, he wouldn't end up with 9-12 titles.
 
Antvasima said:
I do not think that our forum owner would accept making all of that completely public, but although the current costs are partially offset by our advertisements, this was not the case for over a year initially.
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Well, if you're asking the community to help pay, I think making the costs public is good transparency. I'd ask, at least.
 
Dread said:
Just restrict the access to donators :p
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That seems unnecessarily miserly for such a basic feature.
Dread said:
I mean, it's only a feature suggestion, so people can choose a primary color for their profile. I don't think it's a bad idea. Just restrict it for Super Supporter.
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Maybe, but weirdly coloured usernames can be rather annoying for others.
Dread said:
Also, one “small” suggestion/fix:

Change the banner on https://www.patreon.com/vsbattles. It looks awkward. Just use Photoshop and create a banner for it (I know it is not that important, but a little fix won't harm you at all.)
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Good idea.

Would this one work?
Featured Threads Image - VS Battles wiki.jpg
 
Agnaa said:
Is that really necessary if the members already get badges and custom titles?

If the color of the person's actual name can be changed, rather than just the badges below the person's name, I think people would enjoy that quite a lot. I didn't consider that possibility and think it's quite a good idea.

EDIT: It seems like the user meant a colour change for that profile. That also sounds less-than-certain to be possible since it might be built into the theme used, but would be a nice addition if it was.
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I am actually meant like this:


Example click here

@Antvasima ^^
 
Agnaa said:
If the colour of the person's actual name can be changed, rather than just the badges below the person's name, I think people would enjoy that quite a lot. I didn't consider that possibility, and think it's quite a good idea.
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Okay. Maybe we can apply that, but I doubt that it is possible.
Agnaa said:
EDIT: It seems like the user meant a colour change for that profile. That also sounds less-than-certain to be possible since it might be built into the theme used, but would be a nice addition if it was.
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Okay.
Agnaa said:
I like this, but do have a slight concern about title bloat. I'd hope that only the highest one gets shown, so that if (for example) AKM donated at the top level for a year, he wouldn't end up with 9-12 titles.
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Well, we would add them manually, so that should not be a problem.
InfiniteSped said:
Well, if you're asking the community to help pay, I think making the costs public is good transparency. I'd ask, at least.
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I can ask, yes, but I doubt that he will accept it.
 
Antvasima said:
Would this one work?
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Yap, this works as well
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Maybe, but weirdly coloured usernames can be rather annoying for others.
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I mean, you can let people choose colors that are available (5/10 suggested colors). Annoying is just subjective, right now.
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That seems unnecessarily miserly for such a basic feature.
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I mean in most forum communities, they are always restricted to donators/subscribers, I won't consider it as a normal basic feature. But your own decision.
 
Dread said:
Yap, this works as well
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Okay. I will check to see if I can replace the current image.
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I mean, you can let people choose colors that are available (5/10 suggested colors). Annoying is just subjective, right now.
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Okay. That seems fine to me.
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I mean in most forum communities, they are always restricted to donators/subscribers, I won't consider it as a normal basic feature. But your own decision.
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Okay, but here we would take something away from our members, rather than give them something new. That would likely spread toxicity and cause some of them to quit.
 
Dread said:
Who is the developer of the site (I am sure it's possible in Xenforo)
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Our paid system administrator is handling the programming, but he doesn't have the time to chat with members, so he probably does not want me to link to his account here.
 
Antvasima said:
Our paid system administrator is handling the programming, but he doesn't have the time to chat with members, so he probably does not want me to link to his account here.
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I actually don't want to chat with him. Just suggest him the idea and I am sure he can implement it
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Okay, but here we would take something away from our members, rather than give them something new. That would likely spread toxicity and cause some of them to quit.
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great point. Alright, I have another suggestion(s):
— people often use posts and write down “bump” to bump their own threads. What about adding the feature for “auto-bumper”, yes the feature exists.
— Allowing donators using BBCodes (Better post formatting)
— Lock and unlock your own threads
 
people often use posts and write down “bump” to bump their own threads. What about adding the feature for “auto-bumper”, yes the feature exists.

This feels like a bit of a toss-up for me. If the feature can be configured so that it won't bump if someone has posted in the thread in the last N amount of hours, it would be great. I just wouldn't want someone forgetting to leave it on, and having useless "bump"s interrupt a continuing discussion.

Allowing donators using BBCodes (Better post formatting)

I don't quite know what this entails, so I can't fully comment.

Lock and unlock your own threads

This one seems concerning on both ends. The possibility of the thread's creator deciding to shut down debate, even if that's not warranted, is not very good. And the possibility of them re-opening a thread that the mods have decided has run its course is also not very good.
 
Dread said:
I actually don't want to chat with him. Just suggest him the idea and I am sure he can implement it
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We will most likely do so later.
Dread said:
great point. Alright, I have another suggestion(s):
— people often use posts and write down “bump” to bump their own threads. What about adding the feature for “auto-bumper”, yes the feature exists.
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That would turn way too annoying for other members who subscribe to the bumped threads.
Dread said:
— Allowing donators using BBCodes (Better post formatting)
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All members can use BBCodes to a degree. We even have an instruction page for how to do so.
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— Lock and unlock your own threads
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That would likely cause organisation problems for our staff.
 
Agnaa said:
This one seems concerning on both ends. The possibility of the thread's creator deciding to shut down debate, even if that's not warranted, is not very good. And the possibility of them re-opening a thread that the mods have decided has run its course is also not very good.
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Agreed.
 
Agnaa said:
people often use posts and write down “bump” to bump their own threads. What about adding the feature for “auto-bumper”, yes the feature exists.

This feels like a bit of a toss-up for me. If the feature can be configured so that it won't bump if someone has posted in the thread in the last N amount of hours, it would be great. I just wouldn't want someone forgetting to leave it on, and having useless "bump"s interrupt a continuing discussion.
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Add cooldown
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Lock and unlock your own threads

This one seems concerning on both ends. The possibility of the thread's creator deciding to shut down debate, even if that's not warranted, is not very good. And the possibility of them re-opening a thread that the mods have decided has run its course is also not very good.
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Once a mod/staff locked the thread, the user can't anymore unlock it. Also, there are many threads where they suppose to be closed, but the staff did not close them. So if a thread is a debate thread, then the feature won't be available, but if the thread is adding abilities to a user and agreed by staff, then let OP close it.
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That would turn way too annoying for other members who subscribe to the bumped threads.
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Add cooldown
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All members can use BBCodes to a degree. We even have an instruction page for how to do so.
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Oh, alright. It is just rare to see those. That's why I suggested it.
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That would likely cause organisation problems for our staff.
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I can understand, but most of the staff is also not a bot. They are not 24/7 online and most threads should be closed after approval, and yet they are many open and with no rejection/approval. It's my idea + its not for users* it is for supporters
 
Add cooldown

It's not just about the user using it too much, it's that it's pointless/annoying for a bot to bump strictly every 24 hours, even if someone posted 30 minutes beforehand. If the cooldown can be dynamic, I'd be fine with it, but idk if that is a thing.
 
Agnaa said:
Add cooldown

It's not just about the user using it too much, it's that it's pointless/annoying for a bot to bump strictly every 24 hours, even if someone posted 30 minutes beforehand. If the cooldown can be dynamic, I'd be fine with it, but idk if that is a thing.
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Most auto-bumpers are dynamic + I never suggest adding “a bot”, it's a feature
 
Antvasima said:
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It is turning this place into a pay 2 win environment. LMAO.

My opinion doesn't really count for much and given the dire situation...I'll still suggest only cosmetic/visual advantages. Like the suggested profile additions.
 
Antvasima said:
The proportions were slightly off, but it at least looks less bad currently.

@The_Divine_Phoenix @Colonel_Krukov @Zaratthustra @ZackMoon1234 @Dark-Carioca @MistaClean @MonkeyOfLife @FinePoint

Would any of you be willing to modify the following image so it gets 4 times greater width than its height please? I would greatly appreciate it.

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You want 4 time its entire height to be increased? From 1080 to 4320p or just the difference between the emblem ex 150 x 4 = 600 more pixels in both sides?

Edit: Well, seems its not needed anymore.
 
Muchacho_mrm said:
It is turning this place into a pay 2 win environment. LMAO.
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Again, nobody should get preferential treatment during the evaluations themselves, their only guarantee would be to have their own regular content revision threads for verses evaluated once a month even if our staff are not interested in the topics.
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My opinion doesn't really count for much and given the dire situation...I'll still suggest only cosmetic/visual advantages. Like the suggested profile additions.
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Well, as I have said above, I do not think that we are going far enough for this feature to turn harmful.
 
Zaratthustra said:
You want 4 time its entire height to be increased? From 1080 to 4320p or just the difference between the emblem ex 150 x 4 = 600 more pixels in both sides?

Edit: Well, seems its not needed anymore.
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Thank you anyway. I appreciate that you are willing to help.
 
Antvasima said:
Again, nobody should get preferential treatment during the evaluations themselves, their only guarantee would be to have their own regular content revision threads for verses evaluated once a month even if our staff are not interested in the topics.
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Pay 2 win in the sense that they get an advantage like that. I would never assume preferential treatment for their evaluations.

That is as much as I'll say about it.
 
Would somebody be willing to adjust the following image as well please, so all of it fits neatly into a circle?

VS Battles Wiki wordmark.png
 
Muchacho_mrm said:
Pay 2 win in the sense that they get an advantage like that. I would never assume preferential treatment for their evaluations.

That is as much as I'll say about it.
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Okay. Noted. I agree that it isn't remotely an ideal solution, but we are trying to come up with practically workable ideas here.
 
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