OPM Low 5-B upgrades

[LordTracer]

If Psykorochi scales, then yes.

 

[Maharaj]

At the least, Orochi’s AP should scale with Energy Manip in general, because the Low 5-B feat was performed through his energy manip, not the Gaia Cannon. Psykorochi should also scale, since she can use energy attacks like Orochi.

is it even energy manip isn't it just straight up magma that he pulls from the core

 

[Quangotjokes]

What? Didn't Sealed Boros just get stuck in a wall for a second? He didn't get splattered.

Typo, meant wasn't *

 

[Quangotjokes]

Orochi was destroyed by a normal punch as well, while a normal punch just destroyed Boros armor, anyways, we dont scale Saitama to others characters, Saitama power is variable

We should rework how we don't scale anything from Saitama. Saitama was taking Boros more serious than any other enemy to date. One even reworked the fight for such a reason.

 

[Epiccheev]

the calc assumes he's physically sucking dense molten iron nickel, not really pulling in energy from the core through energy absorption.
Iirc Someone in the original thread said the results would be different if we assume he sucked in energy, because we'd only calc the displacement.

 

[Bernkastelll]

We should rework how we don't scale anything from Saitama. Saitama was taking Boros more serious than any other enemy to date.

Thats kinda ''debatable'', as Saitama was just wanting to give Boros a feeling of a ''real fight'' as Boros was literally like Saitama

 

[Qawsedf234]

At the least, Orochi’s AP should scale with Energy Manip in general, because the Low 5-B feat was performed through his energy manip, not the Gaia Cannon. Psykorochi should also scale, since she can use energy attacks like Orochi.

So is your suggestion something like this

• Orochi: "6-B (Earthquake), Low 5-B with Energy Manipulation and the Gaia Cannon (Core Pull)
• Neuron Psykos: "At least 6-B (Stronk Orochi), High 6-A with TK, Low 5-B with Energy manipulation (Stronk Orochi)"

 

[LordTracer]

• Orochi: "6-B (Earthquake), Low 5-B with Energy Manipulation and the Gaia Cannon (Core Pull)
• Neuron Psykos: "At least 6-B (Stronk Orochi), High 6-A with TK, Low 5-B with Energy manipulation (Stronk Orochi)"

More or less, yeah. Although Psykorochi’s High 6-A feat was performed with energy manip and not TK, so I don’t think she needs a separate tier for that.

 

[Maharaj]

• Orochi: "6-B (Earthquake), Low 5-B with Energy Manipulation and the Gaia Cannon (Core Pull)
• Neuron Psykos: "At least 6-B (Stronk Orochi), High 6-A with TK, Low 5-B with Energy manipulation (Stronk Orochi)"

you should skip 6-B it's really just a side effect of the magma feat

the electric fish confirms it's caused by the core being pulled

 

[Qawsedf234]

you should skip 6-B it's really just a side effect of the magma feat

6-B happened before his tail hit the core. Which is why I'm mentioning it.

Although Psykorochi’s High 6-A feat was performed with energy manip and not TK, so I don’t think she needs a separate tier for that.

So then up to Low 5-B with energy manipulation, since it required an outside source of power.

 

[Epiccheev]

Now that i think about it, Orochi's dura can be wanked to extreme levels if you calc him compressing all that mass inside himself

 

[LordTracer]

So then up to Low 5-B with energy manipulation, since it required an outside source of power.

But the Low 5-B feat was Orochi pulling all of that magma, would that not just be his own power?

 

[Quangotjokes]

Thats kinda ''debatable'', as Saitama was just wanting to give Boros a feeling of a ''real fight'' as Boros was literally like Saitama

True, but when he said that it seemed he put in more effort after returning from the moon. The "real fight" statement was in reference to himself.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Now that i think about it, Orochi's dura can be wanked to extreme levels if you calc him compressing all that mass inside himself

thats the thing that I was arguing

Didnt Orochi absorbed the magma energy to himself, no? Shouldnt him scales directly to it instead of it being just Low 5-B with an attack?

 

[Bernkastelll]

thats the thing that I was arguing

Also, when I said magma, I mean Core, lol

 

[Quangotjokes]

Wait now that I think about it, how did Orochi move the core? I just figured he summoned it or ducked it through his tail. Not the tail making its way to the core lol

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

But the Low 5-B feat was Orochi pulling all of that magma, would that not just be his own power?

It really should be.

 

[Epiccheev]

Wait now that I think about it, how did Orochi move the core? I just figured he summoned it or ducked it through his tail. Not the tail making its way to the core lol

I assume he sucked it through his tail

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'm a dirty Boros stan

Eyyyyy. High five me

 

[Qawsedf234]

Best guess would be that the tail hit the core and then sucked the energy up to his body.

But the Low 5-B feat was Orochi pulling all of that magma, would that not just be his own power?

So then you're under the "make everyone Low 5-B" camp then right?

 

[LordTracer]

So then you're under the "make everyone Low 5-B" camp then right?

Unless there’s a better reason to say Orochi can’t perform the lava-moving feat on his own, yeah, I am.

But Orochi and Psykorochi should still be 6-B physically, it’s just that their energy manip would scale to Low 5-B, which would then make Tatsumaki and Saitama scale.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

6-B happened before his tail hit the core. Which is why I'm mentioning it.

So then up to Low 5-B with energy manipulation, since it required an outside source of power.

Disregarding this, doesn’t Saitama become low 5-B for scaling above everyone else?

 

[LordTracer]

Also about the Boros thing, maybe something like “High 6-A, possibly Low 5-B with CSRC” can work?

Cause if I’m understanding correctly, the scorching the surface and blasting away the surface translations are equally valid, so this would be the best way to acknowledge them both.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Anyway, I think we should do with Orochi like what we did with Boros, we shouldn't scale Orochi at all to the Gaia Cannon.

So "6-B, Low 5-B with Gaia cannon" is fine to me. But his physicals should not scale to Low 5-B at all

Better not to touch Psykorochi for no tbh.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Unless there’s a better reason to say Orochi can’t perform the lava-moving feat on his own, yeah, I am.

Agreed.

 

[LordTracer]

Anyway, I think we should do with Orochi like what we did with Boros, we shouldn't scale Orochi at all to the Gaia Cannon.

The problem is that the Gaia Cannon isn’t the Low 5-B feat. The Low 5-B feat is Orochi moving all of that magma, and he did that on his own.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Anyway, I think we should do with Orochi like what we did with Boros, we shouldn't scale Orochi at all to the Gaia Cannon.

but the Low 5-B feat wasnt even gaia cannon, it was base orochi pulling out energy from the core

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also about the Boros thing, maybe something like “High 6-A, possibly Low 5-B with CSRC” can work?

Cause if I’m understanding correctly, the scorching the surface and blasting away the surface translations are equally valid, so this would be the best way to acknowledge them both.

The blasting feels pretty eh IMO. As much as I want my 4-C CSRC, the current CSRC is probably best

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I’m for Low 5-B Energy Manipulation

 

[Quangotjokes]

The real question is if Orochi can do this without directly touching Magma

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

The problem is that the Gaia Cannon isn’t the Low 5-B feat. The Low 5-B feat is Orochi moving all of that magma, and he did that on his own.

Bute the fact he needed to absorb magma in order to perform the Gaia cannon implies he can't perform the feat normally.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Bute the fact he needed to absorb magma in order to perform the Gaia cannon implies he can't perform the feat normally.

then Gaia Cannon is just a ''likely higher'', but the feat itself is not even gaia cannon, it was from base orochi

 

[LordTracer]

Bute the fact he needed to absorb magma in order to perform the Gaia cannon implies he can't perform the feat normally.

It implies that he can’t perform the Gaia Cannon normally, sure, but he did the Low 5-B feat on his own.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Then fair enough I guess.

Also is his first form let really necessary? It's just him tangled up differenrly, I don't recall there being any implications in strength difference.

 

[joshpiece]

Neuron Psykos is just Psykos + Orochi + God's powers. She'd have everything he would, but higher. Plus her claim about fusing with the planet does fit with her possibly being able to replicate it.

I think we should give it to her as well. Maybe even 5-B over time by fusing with the planet?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Psykorochi should get it as she's supposedly stronger than Orochi, tho I'd like to have the psykos section of Psykorochi's body kept as unknown in physicals as I'll explain later. Tatsumaki and Geno's should scale as well.

Low 5-B Genos wow

 

[Quangotjokes]

Orochi gains power via sacrificed, Saitama destroyed that Orochi. Why would a weaker orochi scale to psychorochi?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I just wanna say, this feat is absolutely insane, it's so cool.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also which Low 5-B calc are we using again?

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm more inclined towards 20 seconds personally.