OP Earth Size

[The_Calaca]

Are you talking about this image?

Because in that image we see the order that the Strawhat should have taked instead of the order they actually used. In Little Garden they obtained an Eternal Pose and only stopped in Drum because Nami was sick.

Little Garden should be the second island in order but we can't tell which island is Arabasta.

 

[Xulrev]

Damage is provably correct here.

Based on the images shown in the calc itself, the islands are at or around the same size as the island Grogy and Dory are fighting on, an island that would objectively be no larger than a few kilometers wide. It is comparable in size therefore to Alabasta....an island which is claimed to have a river 50 kilometers wide running through it....regardless of being no more than a few kilometers wide itself based on the visual.

It is an objective fact these are not to scale based on that premise alone. Damage is demonstrably correct here, and the calcs are using faulty data and presumptions based on provably wrong and exaggerated maps that are inconsistent with themselves.

Further, this very latest chapter alone we have a speedster blitzing people at 200 km/h. If the OP planet is larger than Sol, and someone who can be considered fast is 200 km/h, pirate ships (which regular people have run down before, as evidenced by Usopp catching up to the Sunny whilst leaving Water 7) would literally never get to the next island over in a decade of sailing, going by map sizing.

One Piece is provably not this large, and is incalculable insofar as size is concerned at this moment until we are given hard data with which to measure it against.

 

[Blahblah9755]

@Calaca

Oh, right. In that case the calc is invalid because we're scaling from an island without knowing if it's actually Alabasta. Also, I'm pretty sure that if Alabasta were any of the islands on that map, it would still be vastly inconsistent withLittle Garden's size.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

beyond that, all the isles are comparable in size, the biggest at most thrice as big as the smallest, so it still doesn't work

 

[Js250476]

Okay but why are you using 200 km an hour to downplay there speed they've been MHS since Enies Loby if anything that's just another case of authors don't do math ( like Flash being Relativistic for a feat that's Trillions FTL)

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

That doesn't really counter the most important arguments tough

 

[Js250476]

I understand that but that doesn't make that point right

( also nitpicking but Usopp didn't really catch up with the Sunny it was already out to sea and he only got on because Luffy stretched to grab hold of him and Usopp's blatantly superhuman so it's not that the ships are that slow)

 

[Damage3245]

The speed issue from the latest chapter isn't entirely relevant to this discussion but it is telling that Oda considers someone running at 200km/h to be somewhat impressive for the verse. (Remember all the times Luffy and company have been running around Punk Hazard and Dressrosa over long stretches of time?)

Characters may have MHS reactions and combat speed but their travel speed is lacking it seems.

Anyway, I think we've all come to the conclusion by now that the Earth size for One Piece cannot be the size in the calc in the OP.

 

[Phoenix821]

So then it'll just be considered the previous calced size then?

 

[Damage3245]

That depends, was the previous calc also based on poor scaling of images? If it followed the same logic as this one, it might be that we'll have to discard that one as well.

Does anyone have a link to the previous calc?

EDIT: Cin also said on that calc that if it wasn't accepted we should revert back to just Earth-sized One Piece world.

 

[Phoenix821]

It was linked on the second comment from the top.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Still uses 50 km so no

 

[Damage3245]

It was linked on the second comment from the top.

Thanks. From the look of it, that calc has exactly the same flaws as the newer one.

Both of them aren't useable.

 

[Phoenix821]

I see so I guess it'll have to be recalced then?

 

[Damage3245]

Or we just default to Earth-size One Piece world.

Personally I think that's the safest option even if it is likely that the One Piece world is slightly bigger than our Earth.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that the OP world is considerably larger than our Earth, but Sun-sized is unreasonable.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I guess we could try to pixel calc the size of little garden, and go from there.

Tough, I'm not sure if we have the right sizes for that

 

[Js250476]

Anything is better then just averaged sized One Piece Earth being honest with you guys lol

 

[Damage3245]

If we disregard the Alabasta statement, then there isn't much pointing towards the One Piece world being many times larger than the Earth.

While I am inclined to think the OP world is bigger than our own Earth, the ridiculous sizes that have been used in the past have only existed to inflate the calcs for major characters.

 

[Js250476]

I guess to play Devils advocate some other things do imply the One Piece Earth is larger ( like IIRC Viola's ability to see anything in a 4000 km radius was never said to having a range containg a significant portion of the planet and the OP world has multiple moons)

But I guess I Have to agree sun sized is to unreasonable

 

[Phoenix821]

 

[Damage3245]

Heh, if that island in the centre of the globe was Alabasta I could see that being accurate (assuming the calced size for Alabasta is correct).

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Being larger than Jupiter was what is already accepted. Additionally, Weyard from Golden Sun is arguably even bigger iirc. Most of Golden Sun takes place in a plateau with a planet sized diameter, the width of the plateau is miniscule compared to its elevation or Gaia Falls, and Gaia Falls is miniscule compared to the rest of the planet; which appears to be almost completely rounded during summon techniques seen in outer space.

That being said, we do need more input regarding OP's size. I want to know what more staff members think. Skypiea was treated as being insanely high compared to Earth's orbit iirc. And there are other things such as having a lot more Oceans than the real world and having more giant bodies of land mass than Earth. Basically, there's more than 7 continents.

 

[Js250476]

Really do miss Cin One Piece threads went so smoothly when he was here

 

[Damage3245]

Skypiea is only 10,000 meters high in the air. Not exactly insanely high.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I do think that the OP world is larger than our's, but Jupiter sized or Sun sized seem ridiculous to me. I don't think Oda ever intended for it to be like that. Seeing the seagulls flying above Alabasta and having to assume that the river in that same view is 50km wide seems absolutely incredulous to me.

Plus, the latest chapter with a character being labeled as incredibly fast with movements at 200km/hr just solidifies it to me that Oda doesn't intend for us to be extrapolating things to be huge or so high.

 

[Damage3245]

And if the response to the 200km/hr figure is that "Oda doesn't understand scale, the number can be disregarded" then we might as well disregard the number for the Alabasta river too since 'Oda doesn't understand scale'.

 

[Xulrev]

It absolutely is larger than our world, I think that is self-evident, but nothing to make it ridiculously larger.

And to everyone trying to dismiss my point on 200 km/h being absurdly fast running speed; the point is that if this were considered insanely fast by even Luffy and Zoro, two of the fastest people we have seen in-verse, and the OP world was the size of the Sun, ships would be irrelevant since you would NEED to have people running that fast across bridges just to even get between islands in any reasonably timeframe.

Oda's numbers are just bunk at times, honestly. He throws out random numbers because he doesn't care for their impact in a battleboard fashion which is how it should be from an authorial perspective, honestly, and using some of these numbers to prove points that are clearly untrue and using cartographic projections to calc the world from these (which is hilarious considering you can't even accurately calc the size of our modern earth from the most-used map projections, they're not meant to be accurate for size) is just misleading and disingenuous.

It cannot be calced from what we have. Cin himself said we need to simply revert to assuming Earth-sized, and that's what should occur here. Doing so makes the wiki more accurate in terms of calcs.

 

[Js250476]

Look I think people disregard 200 km/h is cause that's arguably even more inconsistent with pretty much every main One Piece Speed feat ( like Whiskey Park arc Zoro is faster then that FFS) so I don't think we should put that much stock in that

From my understanding we only disregard authors intent If it isn't consistent with there feats the statement isn't much different from stuff like Superman saying he isn't faster then Light or SSB Vegeta getting hurt by a 1000 ton robot

That's just my take I agree the One Piece Earth isn't sun sized it's just that point irks me

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

We disregard authors intent with its inconsistent with the series itself, yeah. Otherwise Godzilla would be 3-A and most Final Fantasy characters would be barely Superhuman.

If a statement is inconsistent with consistent feats, then it's also usually disregarded.

So those two arguments don't seem to hold much water, at least to me.

 

[Blahblah9755]

@medeus the issue with the Jupiter+ calc is that it uses an image that's scale doesn't fit with the sizes displayed of islands in their actual depictions.

If we want to scale little garden, we could potentially scale the giants to the bottom of the holes in the skull and scale that to the island, however we'd need a better picture to actually scale the grand line/world to the island. I don't think the image that we've used up to now should be used. Using Earth size for calc's and giving them an "at least" rating may be the best choice for now. Maybe if we get a proper globe shot, a good map, or something that directly lets us scale the Red line at some point we can get more accurate results.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

If we went by statements over feats, Superman would just be Large Building level and Supersonic+ based on, "Faster than a speeding bullet" or "Stronger than a Locomotive" alone. Authors lowball their characters more frequently than they highball; unless it's something superlative like Omnipotence or Omniscience. And even going by lowend feats, their do exist portrayals of Superman being even weaker than that. Such as Animated Darkseid's Omega Beams being deflected by an ordinary brick, or Superman himself doubting the "Faster than a speeding bullet" statement in one of the comics when he struggled to even catch a single bullet.

 

[Damage3245]

Guys, the point isn't to try and downgrade everyone to Subsonic speeds; the reason why we're mentioning it is to point out that if the author is being treated as inconsistent with supplied numbers because they don't understand scaling then the number for Alabasta's river is potentially also unreliable because Oda just threw out a number without considering how large that would make Alabasta by comparison.

I do believe that Alabasta being the size of Australia (or bigger) is inconsistent with the size of the world in One Piece.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I see your point, and I'm not really for the calcs either myself. I guess we can try Blah's suggestion.

 

[Js250476]

If I can ask one thing if One Pieces Earth has 7 moons orbiting it would that mean it's atmosphere would have to be bigger then average?

 

[KaiserReinhardt]

I just finished reading the chapter and when i saw the 200 km/h, it sounded too ridiclous. Oda just threw some random ass number there thinking it sounded super fast. I also believe we should just use our earth size for one piece even tho we all know that one piece's earth is larger than ours, but we have no choice other than this. We can only wait for oda to draw the one piece earth in a future chapter, maybe then we can calculate a good size for the one piece world.

 

[fandom_1cheapskate]

Js250476 is right I brought this up earlier and no one acknowledged it but the atmosphere in one piece is also several times the earths as it has several mons and the atmosphere itself is extending far past them to the point of air travel between the moons and main planet possible it may be possible to determine the planet size based on the required gravity it would take to contain an atmosphere capable of containing several moons. I also already pointed out a planet of over 90% water like one piece would by default increase the water vapor percentage to the point of mammals being unable to survive.

 

[Js250476]

I also mentioned this before but Viola has the power to see anything within 4000 km ( a big portion of our earth) and even with that at most it lets her see anything in a country in the OP world which also implies there Planet is >>>>>>>ours in size

 

[fandom_1cheapskate]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

So have we reached any conclusions here?