Oni God Ram vs Demon Slayer Yoriichi

[Passersby]

First of all BDA works completely differently when compared to mana and secondly you need multiple layers of ESP to be able to sense it while BDAs are just simple attacks. I dont think verse equalization covers that

It does, under verse equalization, BDA are now powered by mana as an energy source

Also i was thinking about it and I think Ram will be able to copy sun breathing and even Total concentration breathing becuz firstly the strain she is in under just by existing is far far worse and in this key that burden has been removed from her. She could probably figure out some way to keep her lungs from exploding while doing so with wind magic and. Remember this is the same girl that straight up copied an authority... an ability supposed to be breaking the rules of the world, just by sensing it


She will probably get amps becuz of that in this fight

So forget the fact that the sun breathing couldn't be passed down even when yoriichi was actively teaching people how to use it and even it's inferior version the moon breathing couldn't be passed down as well and just claim ran can copy it with no evidence whatsoever


That's a NLF

She could probably figure out some way to keep her lungs from exploding while doing so with wind magic

And this isn’t an argument nor a reasonable excuse either

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

It does, under verse equalization, BDA are now powered by mana as an energy source




So forget the fact that the sun breathing couldn't be passed down even when yoriichi was actively teaching people how to use it and even it's inferior version the moon breathing couldn't be passed down as well and just claim ran can copy it with no evidence whatsoever


That's a NLF

Its a martial arts Which Ram can easily copy, if it was something like teelportation then sure your arguement was valìd however in this case Ram just copies and gg

And this isn’t an argument nor a reasonable excuse either

It definitely is, pressure controlling isnt that hard if you can control the wind. Reminder that vèlocity is inversely proportional to pressure. And if she does that then it would be pretty easy to replicate.
Also your are the non-arguements here, she has power mimicry. Unless you can prove that Yoriichi can negate her being able to copy it. There is a reason Garou copies and gg is a meme

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Without a sword, she won't.

Dumb arguement

The point is, she gonna be having more burden on her If she try to copy this techiniques.

Her own burden+The strain that the breathing techniques is gonna wear her down even more.

Her burden has been transferred to Rem, she herself can take on the burden of TC

Not really, she transfering her pain to Rem, If Rem does because of her lungs collapsing, Ram won't be able to fight anymore.

The above won't happen If Ram lungs collapses First trought.

Explained above how wind speed can help in manipulating pressure

Against a opponent that is stronger than her, and can blitz her at any moment, and trying to not die, that seems like a disvantage at this point.

This is an amped yoriichi, he isnt blitzing via amps anymore

And saying "She could probally do something using her Wind magic" Is not really a good enough argument, what exactly she could do with her Wind magic to stop her lungs from exploding from the strain of the Breathing techniques?

Wind speed and pressure

Synthesia is alreadby a ability that is kinda similar to Cor Leonis, and Ram modify that ability to fuction the same, which is impressive.

But that don't mean she could replicate Constant breathing, because this ability are not the same in anyway.

Its a martial arts and if she can copy Ley then she sure as hell can do the same here

She will probally die before that, because Yoriichi just gonna blitz her using a breathing technique.

Or she will look at him snort and trap him in wind prison
Or successfully copy his breathing style and give herself an amp and then its gg
Also she can keep up with opponents far faster than her and has perception boosts with better AP, i would say she will simply dodge any of his attacks that can blitz her

 

[Passersby]

Its a martial arts Which Ram can easily copy, if it was something like teelportation then sure your arguement was valìd however in this case Ram just copies and gg

Seems Like a case of no evidence and a NLF again
Oh ram can copy any every martial art technique to ever exist in every verse no matter how more skilled her opponent is and no matter how complicated and impossible to pass down it is, trust me bro! She has power mimicry after all!

It definitely is, pressure controlling isnt that hard if you can control the wind. Reminder that vèlocity is inversely proportional to pressure. And if she does that then it would be pretty easy to replicate.
Also your are the non-arguements here, she has power mimicry. Unless you can prove that Yoriichi can negate her being able to copy it. There is a reason Garou copies and gg is a meme

In garou's case he gained knowledge on the flow of all energy and the behavior of all forces in his universe, his power mimicry is leagues above ram's, how did you even make that comparison?


Secondly,the burden of proof is on you to prove that she can copy his power system, the sun breathing couldn't be passed down, an inferior version of it couldn't be passed down either

So provide evidence that ram can copy this

Thirdly wind speed and wind manipulation have literally nothing to do with this

Total Concentration Breathing involves expanding one's lungs to intake as much air as possible accelerating one's blood flow and heartbeat while increasing their inner body temperature, resulting in their bones and muscles becoming more excited.

a process where Tanjiro felt he was literally about to die while trainig to do i and he was already accustomed to using breathing techniques

..this is so nonsensical I don't even know how to respond

 

[Nehz_XZX]

It does, under verse equalization, BDA are now powered by mana as an energy source

Aren't Blood Demon Arts powered by blood though? Can that be considered an equivalent energy especially since you need to be a demon in order to use Blood Demon Arts?

 

[Passersby]

Dumb arguement

Who would have guessed she can't copy a sword style without a sword
Shocking I know

Her burden has been transferred to Rem, she herself can take on the burden of TC

Good luck proving that Bud,

Tanjiro who can fight in a state where he feels extreme pain just by walking felt as if he is about to die and that his heart was about to blow up from his eardrums while training to perform the total Concentration Breathing constant, not even doing it all the way and he was already accustomed to breath techniques


It's about time you bring evidence to prove your claims once again

Explained above how wind speed can help in manipulating pressure

Wind pressures has nothing to do with training the breathing styles, how you came to that conclusion is beyond me

This is an amped yoriichi, he isnt blitzing via amps anymore

Said who really?

Its a martial arts and if she can copy Ley then she sure as hell can do the same here

An awful lot of assumptions you got there, to the point it's kind of getting annoying

yoriichi's analytical prediction works in a way where he doesn't focus anywhere, he analyzes his oponent's movements and adjusts his attacks and next moves based on the infomration he preceived, any move ram makes yoriichi will adapt to and make countermeasure against so there is no way for her to even do anything, she does not resist his AP nor precognition and even if she see him focus his power somewhere she doesn't know where he is going to attack, and even then he scales way above tanjiro who was able to change the Form he was using in the middle of his sword swing on two occasions in his first key so he can change the swing any time he wants and decpaitate her

he also scales way abobe kokushibo who is able to halt attacks the second someone even thinks about them

the transparent world's preception boost is so good tanjiro was able to preceive akaza, who is way faster than him in slow motion and with equalized speed this advantage is even bigger in yoriichi's favor

he is also way abobe tanjiro who can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent and he does this himself against muzan where despite only seeing him once, and despite said opponent's physic being unique and one of it's kind, having no set form and being constantly changing in unpredictable patterns, he was able to create an entire new technique dedicated to slashing all the weaknesses despite their appearent chaotic behavior then master it and use it on the spot, , i don't see why he can't do the same against ram especially with his stat amplifications as he was able to blitz muzan despite him describing the guy as "fast"

he is way above tanjiro who can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent and he does this himself against muzan where despite only seeing him once, and despite said opponent's physic being unique and one of it's kind, having no set form and being constantly changing in unpredictable patterns, he was able to create an entire new technique dedicated to slashing all the weaknesses despite their appearent chaotic behavior then master it and use it on the spot

he is the progenitor of all the Breathing Styles which became the primary fighting styles used by the Demon Slayer Corps which means that he is the progenitor of not just a fighting style but the progenitor of an entire branch of fighting styles with each having their own strenghts and weaknesses, each focusing on either speed flexibility defense offense etc

Yoriichi made a power system that gave impetus to human evolution as soon as he started fighting, he made a sword style no one could even learn even with him there actively teaching them how to learn it and kokushibo, the seocnd most talented in the series took longer to learn an inferior version of what he is capable of which is the moon breathing and even that was the same as since nobody was able to learn that Breathing Style either , He is the best swordsman that the Demon Slayer Corps had in a 1000 years history with him being far above said Kokushibo even after he trained for 500 years as a demon who doesn't sleep and is obsessed with surpassing him,

his talent is considered to be downright divine by the characters who know him and kokushibo is no exeption as he described as the sun to which every human would want to touch but could only writh on the ground and turn to dust in despair because they never and never will, himself included even when he himself is a genius whose sword style could never be passed down for the same reason as yoriichi's sword style, no matter how much battle experience ley absorbed and the techniques he merged, i don't know where he scales in terms of info analysis adaptibilty and talent compared to yoriichi

merging techniques?

even tanjiro is able to merge the hinokami kagura dance with the water breathing to create an entire new fighting style to deal with the situation he was in and he was proficient in neither, let alone yoriichi who not only made all the breathing styles, he is more than likely proficient in all of them and he scales way above tanjiro in basically everything

• yoriichi's analytical prediction works in a way where he doesn't focus anywhere, he analyzes his oponent's movements and adjusts his attacks and next moves based on the infomration he preceived, any move ram makes yoriichi will adapt to and make countermeasures against so there is no way for her to even do anything
• even if she see him focus his power somewhere she doesn't know where he is going to attack and what sword form he will use, and even then he scales way above tanjiro who was able to change the Form he was using in the middle of his sword swing on two occasions in his first key so he can change the swing any time he wants and decpaitate her
• the STW works even if you're blind
• he can manipulate his blood flow and instantly make a technnique tailor made to counter an opponent after just seeing them once
• tell how strong an opponent is at first glance

scales way above tanjrio who could

• adapt to fighting in a room where the orientation of gravity was constantly rotating while having broken ribs and a broken leg that weren't fully healed
• continuously dodge a total of six balls that were controlled by someone with Vector Manipulation that made them constantly follow him
• managed to defeat Yoriichi Type Zero with its six arms and swords and 108 techniques in the swordsmith village arc, that's a doll as well so zero intent behind each attack
• was able to create Waltz Flash to boost his speed based on a memory of Zenitsu explaining his Breath of Thunder while chasing uppermoon 4 despite this being a difficult thing to do.
• can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent.
• can merge two fighting styles while being proficient in neither

scales above kokushibo who can reads someone's genome in seconds and accurately determine their ancestry

Based on all of this how can and why can ram copy yoriichi?

Bring

1 evidence
2 solid reasoning
3 feats


Then we talk

Or she will look at him snort and trap him in wind prison
Or successfully copy his breathing style and give herself an amp and then its gg
Also she can keep up with opponents far faster than her and has perception boosts with better AP, i would say she will simply dodge any of his attacks that can blitz her

I can just as easily say yoriichi speed blitzes and decapitated at first glance as he he blitze someone so bad he can slash him 12 times and he wouldn't even be able to see it


And then again, like the broken record that I am, I will say it again

he is way above tanjiro who can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent and he does this himself against muzan where despite only seeing him once, and despite said opponent's physic being unique and one of it's kind, having no set form and being constantly changing in unpredictable patterns, he was able to create an entire new technique dedicated to slashing all the weaknesses despite their appearent chaotic behavior then master it and use it on the spot
and i wonder if you forgot he scales way above a guy who can casually read someone's genome and accurately detremine his ancestry in seconds

that's the level of info analysis ram has to deal with

sure, she has better AP, but her opponent has

way better adaptibility
way better accelerated development
way better information analysis
way better skills
way better battle intelligence
which renders her AP pretty much useless, since his fighting styles hard counters it and he has way too many ways to bypass it, and you still have yet to describe how she can deal with what i said he will do, you can't just say "nah uh, it won't work"

yoriichi's AP relies on his information analysis abilities, which are broken, and paired with his extreme fighting talent adaptibility as well as the ability to instantly modify make and merge techniques depending on the situation and his opponent then isntantly use them, no matter what ram does he will instantly make countermeasures agaisnt it and even make a style dedicated to finishing her off

that's why her AP is ineffective agaisnt him as his attacks are always based on the information he constantly analyze from his opponents which renders any attempt at reading him useless as his future attacks strategies and even techniques will constantly and instantly change depending on the flow of battle and how his opponent moves and attacks

how will she deal with an opponent who always changes his fighting styles and attacks can instantly adapt to any situation can instantly merge techniques can instantly analyze an opponent on his first glance has way better information analysis way better battle intelligence has an entire branch of fighting styles on his arsenal is way more talented.....

 

[SeijiSetto]

In garou's case he gained knowledge on the flow of all energy and the behavior of all forces in his universe, his power mimicry is leagues above ram's, how did you even make that comparison?

Flat-out wrong. You're thinking of Cosmic Fear Garou, but even before becoming a monster Garou's been able to copy techniques. He copied Bomb and Bang's techniques while he was fighting them asleep.

Seems Like a case of no evidence and a NLF again
Oh ram can copy any every martial art technique to ever exist in every verse no matter how more skilled her opponent is and no matter how complicated and impossible to pass down it is, trust me bro! She has power mimicry after all!

Extremely difficult to learn =/= resistance to power mimicry. Pretty sure you'd need actual evidence of someone who has previously shown power mimicry failing to copy Sun Breathing.

Secondly,the burden of proof is on you to prove that she can copy his power system, the sun breathing couldn't be passed down, an inferior version of it couldn't be passed down either

Isn't the Hinokami Kagura an inferior version of Sun Breathing? That was regularly passed down in the Kamado family, was it not?

 

[Passersby]

Aren't Blood Demon Arts powered by blood though? Can that be considered an equivalent energy especially since you need to be a demon in order to use Blood Demon Arts?

At least that's what I assume they meant with the definition

Verse equalization: Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.

Since the demon hunters can sens blood demon arts it now means they can sens spells and attacks powered by mana


It's just that they themselves can't use it

 

[Passersby]

So power mimicry is the ability to copy tech techniques?

Doesn't that mean tanjiro gets power mimicry from copying Zenitsu's style from a simple definition from his memories?

Extremely difficult to learn =/= resistance to power mimicry. Pretty sure you'd need actual evidence of someone who has previously shown power mimicry failing to copy Sun Breathing.

Wait, so we just assume a guy who can copy a single technique can now copy any other technique no matter how complicated it is and no matter how imposing and hard it is to learn?

Isn't that the very definition of NLF because that just seems like bs

Isn't the Hinokami Kagura an inferior version of Sun Breathing? That was regularly passed down in the Kamado family, was it not?

Every single breathing style is an inferior version of the sun breath, some more so than others


I was talking about the moon breathing

 

[SeijiSetto]

So power mimicry is the ability to copy tech techniques?

Doesn't that mean tanjiro gets power mimicry from copying Zenitsu's style from a simple definition from his memories?

He should, yes. If it isn't on the profile you'd need a CRT to put it there but yes, techniques fall under power mimicry as far as I'm aware.

Wait, so we just assume a guy who can copy a single technique can now copy any other technique no matter how complicated it is and no matter how imposing and hard it is to learn?

Isn't that the very definition of NLF because that just seems like bs

I don't think so, but apparently Ram has copied incredibly difficult and complicated techniques from people who have thousands of years of experience (on account of eating people and taking all their skill + experience), at least based on what I've seen in this thread. If you want scans you'd have to ask an RZ supporter.

Every single breathing style is an inferior version of the sun breath, some more so than others
I was talking about the moon breathing

See below. Again, from what people have said of Ram, she should be fine I think.

Extremely difficult to learn =/= resistance to power mimicry. Pretty sure you'd need actual evidence of someone who has previously shown power mimicry failing to copy Sun Breathing.

 

[Passersby]

I don't think so, but apparently Ram has copied incredibly difficult and complicated techniques from people who have thousands of years of experience (on account of eating people and taking all their skill + experience), at least based on what I've seen in this thread. If you want scans you'd have to ask an RZ supporter.

He has their techniques born of lifetimes of training and experience


Even with him teaching it himself Yoriichi's breathing style couldn't be learned by a guy whose breathing style also couldn't be learned by anyome with him actively trying to teach it and he couldn't even come close to his level after being obsessed with just that and trying to do it for 500 years of training as a demon who doesn't eat sleep or grows tired to the pointhe went as far as calling him the unequal sun in his death and dying in regret, as far as I'm aware, ley doesn't have any such techniques in his arsenal, as far as it's concerned, he is a jack of all trades and a master of none

Kokushibo and yoriichi only ever trained in swordsmanship

And it's not like she copied all his skills and movements she copied a single technique

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I can just as easily say yoriichi speed blitzes and decapitated at first glance as he he blitze someone so bad he can slash him 12 times and he wouldn't even be able to see it

Are you fr? That just means he is that faster than him and speed is equalized here

 

[Passersby]

Are you fr? That just means he is that faster than him and speed is equalized here

Via a breathing style he made seconds ago, dude called him "frighteningly fast" before blitzing him so hard as if to prove his previous statement was a joke

Even more evidence for the breathing styles insane boost is tanjiro cutting all of Temari's balls while they appear to be completely frozen


Although it seems they rarely use it

 

[SeijiSetto]

Is there anything preventing Ram from putting Yoriichi in wind-blade baby jail immediately off-rip? He can sense invisible attacks like Rengoku did to Akaza's shockwaves, sure, but can he actually DO anything about it?

 

[Passersby]

Is there anything preventing Ram from putting Yoriichi in wind-blade baby jail immediately off-rip? He can sense invisible attacks like Rengoku did to Akaza's shockwaves, sure, but can he actually DO anything about it?

Slashing them all like giyu?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Slashing them all like giyu?

You cant slash them they are intangible

 

[Passersby]

You cant slash them they are intangible

So they can't be touched and they have no physical presence yet somehow they can do damage?

That does not make sens unless they have paradoxical non existence, but please explain

 

[SeijiSetto]

Slashing them all like giyu?

I know he has Dead Calm (and so Yoriichi should be able to do the same but superior), but if it is a literal wind-cage as described (i.e the attacks don't immediately disappear once cut) I don't see how he can defend all directions at once.

 

[Passersby]

I know he has Dead Calm (and so Yoriichi should be able to do the same but superior), but if it is a literal wind-cage as described (i.e the attacks don't immediately disappear once cut) I don't see how he can defend all directions at once.

Giyuu did exactly that


Akaza unleashed a hundred attacks coming at him from all directions at the same time and he stopped almost all of them


Edit: this is the attack description

End Style: Chaotic Blue Metal Afterglow: Akaza's ultimate technique. Akaza unleashes an omni-directional barrage of countless thin and sharp shockwaves that deliver a hundred blows to his target coming from everywhere almost at the same time.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Dumb argument

Wow, is weird because everytime time i read you arguments in a versus threads, my first trought are exactly that.

Her burden has been transferred to Rem, she herself can take on the burden of TC

Yeah, so her still gonna have lungs collapsing.

Explained above how wind speed can help in manipulating pressure

...huh?

It definitely is, pressure controlling isnt that hard if you can control the wind. Reminder that vèlocity is inversely proportional to pressure. And if she does that then it would be pretty easy to replicate.

Can you explain how this have anything to do with Constant breathing?

This is an amped yoriichi, he isnt blitzing via amps anymore

Not really, she can still use her breathing forms to gain amp, and use transparent workd to increase his speed even more.

Wind speed and pressure

Constant breathing don't have much to do with wind speed.

Its a martial arts and if she can copy Ley then she sure as hell can do the same here

Not really, no.
Even If she can copy Ley, If she never copies anything similar to constant breathing, she won't be able to fully copy.

If she tries, she just gonna get her lungs exploded.

Or she will look at him snort and trap him in wind prison

Which not gonna much because of his endurance and AP. Slashing demage just for so far.

Or successfully copy his breathing style and give herself an amp and then its gg

Which she can't.

Also she can keep up with opponents far faster than her

If you talking about the Garfiel thing, considering that a mod disagree with that, i don't think is valid anymore.
Otherwise...

and has perception boosts

He have better trought.

, i would say she will simply dodge any of his attacks that can blitz her

I say she Will get blitz eventualy, since she can't Dodge blitz attacks forever.

I don't think so, but apparently Ram has copied incredibly difficult and complicated techniques from people who have thousands of years of experience (on account of eating people and taking all their skill + experience), at least based on what I've seen in this thread. If you want scans you'd have to ask an RZ supporter.

She din't copy people with thounsand of years of experience.
She copy techniques from Ley trought.

Are you fr? That just means he is that faster than him and speed is equalized here

Well, while he is 60 old or something, he use breathing techniques, and as able to blitz Kokushibou.
So is not because he just faster, his amps are just that great.

Is there anything preventing Ram from putting Yoriichi in wind-blade baby jail immediately off-rip?

She don't start with that, but gonna happen sometime during the battle.

Is not gonna be super effective anyway trought.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ok, can we vote now? I feel like the arguments are good enough to pass for now.

 

[SeijiSetto]

She din't copy people with thounsand of years of experience.
She copy techniques from Ley trought.

Intelligence: Extraordinary Genius (Rai has eaten the memories of tens of thousands of extraordinary opponents, including numerous martial artists, and as a result has all their skills, abilities, and techniques born of lifetimes of training and experience[1]. In combat he's able to ...

So thousands was an overestimate from the way it was described, but lifetimes is still very significant.

 

[Fezzih_007]

So thousands was an overestimate from the way it was described, but lifetimes is still very significant.

That's right.

 

[speedster352]

I am voting yorichi fra

 

[Zabazab]

Yeah one technique from Ley is equal to a lifetime, the thousands of years is his combat experience from plundering the memories of tens of thousands.

And the wind blade baby jail is intangible on account of it being a gas. Mostly nitrogen, oxygen, carbon dioxide, and trace elements, and shaped into a blade (similar to a buzz-saw) by mana, that is fixed in space.

 

[SeijiSetto]

And the wind blade baby jail is intangible on account of it being a gas. Mostly nitrogen, oxygen, carbon dioxide, and trace elements, and shaped into a blade (similar to a buzz-saw) by mana, that is fixed in space.

So to interact with it (in a way that isn't having it slice you up) you need to be able to interact with mana? I just wanna know if it's conceivable for Yoriichi to actually use some form of Dead Calm (an omnidirectional defense that relies on relaxing and simply reacting to anything that enters your radius) and defend against it.

To be honest, even if he can, I wanna focus on wind blade baby jail. Even if he can just continuously parry the wind blades, can Ram keep it going indefinitely to keep him locked in one place? Could she, in theory, just trap him in it and wait there?

 

[Fezzih_007]

To be honest, even if he can, I wanna focus on wind blade baby jail. Even if he can just continuously parry the wind blades, can Ram keep it going indefinitely to keep him locked in one place? Could she, in theory, just trap him in it and wait there?

No, she does have a weak stamina, and her mana going to deplete at some point, she can't keep going forever.

 

[Zabazab]

To be honest, even if he can, I wanna focus on wind blade baby jail. Even if he can just continuously parry the wind blades, can Ram keep it going indefinitely to keep him locked in one place? Could she, in theory, just trap him in it and wait there?

She can hold it for an unknown period of time, since all of her burdens are transferring to Rem, and she has access to the limitless mana in the atmosphere.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

At least that's what I assume they meant with the definition




Since the demon hunters can sens blood demon arts it now means they can sens spells and attacks powered by mana


It's just that they themselves can't use it

It seems a bit weird to me but I don't the details regarding that that well, so I'll just accept it for now.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Wow, we give two different answers.

 

[Zabazab]

I still disagree with the idea that mana and BDE are similar enough to be equalized. Even for warriors with the ESP to sense hostility, intent, invisible individuals, bloodlust, auras, swordsmanship, etc, being able to sense mana isn't common.

Additionally, Ram can sense mana, but she couldn't sense the invisible wind blade technique.

The invisible explosions──Rem had already saw through that trick. It’s a special magic where he can cause explosions on the spot by setting up magic formulas in the air beforehand. It definitely would’ve been very troublesome for her without her background knowledge. However, once she’d figured out the trick, it was no big deal.

Rem had exposed it with her sense of smell, but Ram saw through it by the disturbance in mana right before the explosions. - Oni Sisters of the Hidden Village Chapter 5 "The Oni That Cried"

As if to intercept Ram, Batenkaitos swung both of his feet around whilst midair.

The following instant, the created distortion of space came in contact with Ram’s shoulder, and slashed her clothes, skin and flesh albeit shallowly―― A leftover souvenir of a blade invisible in the air, an impudent trap brought forth by wind magic.

Ram: “Something of this level――”

Ley: “You’re saying that you will blast it away with wind? Won’t do won’t do, useless useless! As it’s something that’s been fixed in space, you seeee! Even nee-sama wouldn’t be able to kick it away, how unfortunate, too baaad!”

Seeing through her plan beforehand, Batenkaitos, with a bloodstained smile, kicked the air.

Though he was not truly kicking the air, but was using the blades which had slashed Ram as a foothold, walking in midair―― using those whose positions were known only by him as footing, he freely flew about the spiral staircase, which heavily made use of the Tower. - Arc 6 Chapter 82 "Shackle-Accompanying Battle"

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Alright so i finally got enough time to add on


The invisible blades are in no way being detected by Yoriichi, he just does not have any feats of dealing with layered invisibility and evem if he does has no way to actively combat it. Ram can trap him in jail and then spam her mid range attacks or heck even spawn some on top of him. The AP difference doesnt seem to be enough to actually make Rams attack insignificant and continuous attacks of that level should do Yoriichi him in fast.
To expand more on the TC i was talking about
Increase the wind speed to decrease the pressure, she just needs to increase the flow inside of her lungs and allow more blood to receive oxygen that on top of her mana boost amp should allow her to gain atleast temprory amps that can allow her to fight even more effectively. For fezzih's arguement about synesthesia to already be similar to Cor Leonis..well no, originally it was only an ability that allowed Rem and Ram to know if their twin was in extreme distress and even that had a range. In fact amping herself via increasing blood flow is already similar to the flow technique in ReZero and thus should actually be way easier for her to copy.
Next, Ley absolutely takes the combat experience of over 10,000 years and still being unable to do anything against Ram over koku's 500 years. Yoriichi completely loses in that regard.
Also Ram's feat of dodging garf is still active while debated there is absolutely no doubt that she could handle a character vastly faster than her and which Yoriichi has no comparable feat to even with an extreme lowball. Dont worry i wont mention the numbers, not gonna start another debate here again
Ram also has the superior AP via her claravoyance being better than mind reading, also unlike Yoriichi Ram will be aware of how Yoriichi's AP works and would also be aware of what he is going to use to counter her and that too live which gives her another advantage in this field. She could successfully mess up his AP by numerous methods after this. If your next arguement is gonna be about how yoriichi can do stuff instantly..well ReZero has better feats of Instinctive reaction to which Ram massively upscales from

 

[speedster352]

I feel like I should mention that Yorichi starts off with sun breathing and some of the forms make illusions and amps his already insane speed. He doesn’t just stand around so I am not sure how that wind prison thing lands.

 

[Zabazab]

It's because he can't sense it, he is being seen through by Clairvoyance, and the wind prison isn't an attack requiring pinpoint accuracy- she can just make a wall of blades in front of her and let Yoriichi run into it, and close him in that way.

 

[Epiccheev]

Iirc using Breathing techniques in the same level as Hashira does require Superhuman lungs, since standard training Tanjiro did under Shinobu required breaking human sized gourds by blowing inside them hard enough.

Tanjiro also trained in a very low oxygen place for a long time before he even took the exam to become a demon slayer.

There's also the thing where breathing styles you master are less about general skill level and more about wich one is more suited to you as a person.

I don't doubt Ram could use it, but it would lbe inferior to Yoriichi's even if she gets the sun breathing copying 100% right.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Iirc using Breathing techniques in the same level as Hashira does require Superhuman lungs, since standard training Tanjiro did under Shinobu required breaking human sized gourds by blowing inside them hard enough.

Tanjiro also trained in a very low oxygen place for a long time before he even took the exam to become a demon slayer.

There's also the thing where breathing styles you master are less about general skill level and more about wich one is more suited to you as a person.

I don't doubt Ram could use it, but it would lbe inferior to Yoriichi's even if she gets the sun breathing copying 100% right.

Yeah i agree with that however an amp is still an amp

 

[Fezzih_007]

Alright so i finally got enough time to add on

Can you use paragraphs the next time? this text is a bother to read.

The invisible blades are in no way being detected by Yoriichi, he just does not have any feats of dealing with layered invisibility

"Layered invisibility" i gonna destroy this argument in a second, but for now...

Okay, he don't exactly need to sense, If he runs and take some demage of the wind cage, he just gonna use Fake Rainbow to evade the Blade, and charge from a different direction.

and evem if he does has no way to actively combat it.

He can actually parry when It tries to attack him.

Ram can trap him in jail and then spam her mid range attacks or heck even spawn some on top of him.

True, is a good wincon.

Is not enough to finish him off trought.

The AP difference doesnt seem to be enough to actually make Rams attack insignificant

It is actually, she gonna have a hard time dealing with that.

The AP scaling chain for Ram is not as great as Yoriichi.

and continuous attacks of that level should do Yoriichi him in fast.

Should do what?

To expand more on the TC i was talking about
Increase the wind speed to decrease the pressure, she just needs to increase the flow inside of her lungs and allow more blood to receive oxygen that

Against a opponent that is stronger than her, and can blitz her at any moment, and trying to not die, that seems like a disvantage at this point.

Figuring out the Breathing technique mid combat, against Yoriichi is not a good Idea.


Not sure If that even gonna work, since i don't think someone ever done that with breathing techniques.

on top of her mana boost amp should allow her to gain atleast temprory amps that can allow her to fight even more effectively.

She is already boosted with mana...

Anyway, i don't see that happening, If she tries to copy total concentration, her lungs gonna mostly likely collapses since she don't have training nescessary to endure, and give Yoriichi a opening for attack.

For fezzih's arguement about synesthesia to already be similar to Cor Leonis..well no, originally it was only an ability that allowed Rem and Ram to know if their twin was in extreme distress and even that had a range.

I don't see how that don't make them similar.

In fact amping herself via increasing blood flow is already similar to the flow technique in ReZero and thus should actually be way easier for her to copy.

Not really, Flow Method and Total Concentration have one similar atributte that is increase own body physical strenght, but nothing else to say she could copy effectively.

Next, Ley absolutely takes the combat experience of over 10,000 years

Ley don't have 10,000 yeas of experience. He does have a bunch of technique of other people that have a lifetime of experience.

and still being unable to do anything against Ram over koku's 500 years.

Because of her amp her AP and speed, so she was stomping him pretty bad.

Yoriichi completely loses in that regard.

If was Ley, i would agree, but Is Ram, that is not even superior than Ley in skill, so i don't agree.

Also Ram's feat of dodging garf is still active while debated there is absolutely no doubt that she could handle a character vastly faster than her and which Yoriichi has no comparable feat to even with an extreme lowball.

The probally is Yoriichi amp os gonna bê faster than what Ram can handle, If this Scan i reading is correct.

Dont worry i wont mention the numbers, not gonna start another debate here again

I gonna make a CRT to remove that feat from the profile, don't worry about numbers.

Ram also has the superior AP via her claravoyance being better than mind reading

True.
But is not by so much. And using selfless state, he can circuvent that.

, also unlike Yoriichi Ram will be aware of how Yoriichi's AP works and would also be aware of what he is going to use to counter her and that too live which gives her another advantage in this field.

Ok, i din't understand anything you said.

She could successfully mess up his AP by numerous methods after this.

Like?

If your next arguement is gonna be about how yoriichi can do stuff instantly..well ReZero has better feats of Instinctive reaction to which Ram massively upscales from

You talking about me?

And Ram just scale to the Garfiel IA things, not for the other Re:ZERO stuff. And the IA feat for Garfiel, pratically every hashira can do in KY.

fezzih, you need to take out the trash

Oh yeah, i almost forgot. Bye for now.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Okay, he don't exactly need to sense, If he runs and take some demage of the wind cage, he just gonna use Fake Rainbow to evade the Blade, and charge from a different direction.

Isn't Fake Rainbow explicitly an afterimage technique? It's not a substitution jutsu type thing where you can just avoid damage, you dance in a specific way and it creates afterimages to confuse your opponents - implying they wouldn't be hitting you to begin with, they'd be hitting the afterimages.

 

[Passersby]

would you look at that, don't you love when people conveniently ignore everything you said act like you don't exist and repeat the same points you've been addressing in the thread again without stating why your counterarguments are wrong


because i sure as hell don't

The invisible blades are in no way being detected by Yoriichi, he just does not have any feats of dealing with layered invisibility

it's a pretty simple explanation

1 invisible attacks are as such because they can't be sensed
2 a character who can sens invisible attacks normally couldn't sens another one
3 the character senses aren't strong enough to sens this invisible attack



yoriichi has far better senses, so he can most likely sens or "see" the attack, that simple

unless there is somehow a loop or a fallacy in this logic, this stands correct

these are characters who can react and counter attacks with zero intent behind them while in a state of deep sleep

why is someone with significantly better senses affected by this again?


senses = sheild
invisibly attack = attack

yoriichi's "shield" is way stronger as he has way better feats for his senses, therefore he will sens the invisible attacks

until you find a flaw in my logic, this will always stand true

and evem if he does has no way to actively combat it. Ram can trap him in jail and then spam her mid range attacks or heck even spawn some on top of him. The AP difference doesnt seem to be enough to actually make Rams attack insignificant and continuous attacks of that level should do Yoriichi him in fast.

you also conveniently ignored the other conversation, giyu's dead calm exists and yoriichi scales far above it, all of her attacks are getting easily destroyed and getting her nowhere

Increase the wind speed to decrease the pressure, she just needs to increase the flow inside of her lungs and allow more blood to receive oxygen that on top of her mana boost amp should allow her to gain atleast temprory amps that can allow her to fight even more effectively.

i'm sorry, increase the flow inside her lungs? what the **** does that mean?
that's just breathing, she still needs to exhale and you still habe yet to tell me why she can copy the sun breath

For fezzih's arguement about synesthesia to already be similar to Cor Leonis..well no, originally it was only an ability that allowed Rem and Ram to know if their twin was in extreme distress and even that had a range. In fact amping herself via increasing blood flow is already similar to the flow technique in ReZero and thus should actually be way easier for her to copy.

so the completely different mehtod relying on mana to operate should make the completely different power system relying breaths easier to learn and i'm supposed to accept that because you said so without elborating how, wonderful

Next, Ley absolutely takes the combat experience of over 10,000 years and still being unable to do anything against Ram over koku's 500 years. Yoriichi completely loses in that regard.

said no one ever, good job completely skipping over everything i said so far like it was all a joke

Yoriichi's very first fight was as a 7 year old without prior training with a sword instructor who was simply humoring him and only taught him how to properly hold a sword and he still won that fight almost instantly. Yoriichi also didn't receive buffs since they were present from the very moment he was born since he already had the Demon Slayer Mark and Transparent World as a newborn baby and kokushibo took longer to learn an inferior version of what he is capable of and kokushibo was the same as since nobody was able to learn his Breathing Style either , He is the best swordsman that the Demon Slayer Corps had in a 1000 years history with him being far above said Kokushibo even after he trained for 500 years as a demon who doesn't sleep and is obsessed with surpassing him, Yoriichi's talent is considered to be downright divine by the characters who know him and kokushibo is no exeption as he described as the sun to which every human would want to touch but could only writh on the ground and turn to dust in despair because they never and never will, himself included

he also made the The Breathing Styles during his time in the Demon Slayer Corps which are Flame Breathing, Water Breathing, Lightning Breathing, Wind Breathing and Stone Breathing. he is the person responsible for what is considered the golden age of demon hunters with his generation of demon hunters being unmatched despite 500 years having passed since then until the main cast came to be. This is the impact he had on an organization that already existed for 500 years before he came along and he was only part of the organization for less than 7 years

Passersby said:
he is the progenitor of all the Breathing Styles which became the primary fighting styles used by the Demon Slayer Corps which means that he is the progenitor of not just a fighting style but the progenitor of an entire branch of fighting styles with each having their own strenghts and weaknesses, each focusing on either speed flexibility defense offense etc

Passersby said:
Yoriichi made a power system that gave impetus to human evolution as soon as he started fighting, he made a sword style no one could even learn even with him there actively teaching them how to learn it and kokushibo, the seocnd most talented in the series took longer to learn an inferior version of what he is capable of which is the moon breathing and even that was the same as since nobody was able to learn that Breathing Style either , He is the best swordsman that the Demon Slayer Corps had in a 1000 years history with him being far above said Kokushibo even after he trained for 500 years as a demon who doesn't sleep and is obsessed with surpassing him,

his talent is considered to be downright divine by the characters who know him and kokushibo is no exeption as he described as the sun to which every human would want to touch but could only writh on the ground and turn to dust in despair because they never and never will, himself included even when he himself is a genius whose sword style could never be passed down for the same reason as yoriichi's sword style, no matter how much battle experience ley absorbed and the techniques he merged, i don't know where he scales in terms of info analysis adaptibilty and talent compared to yoriichi


he scales way above tanjiro who is able to merge the hinokami kagura dance with the water breathing to create an entire new fighting style to deal with the situation he was in and he was proficient in neither, let alone yoriichi who not only made all the breathing styles, he is more than likely proficient in all of them and he scales way above tanjiro in basically everything

Passersby said:

• yoriichi's analytical prediction works in a way where he doesn't focus anywhere, he analyzes his oponent's movements and adjusts his attacks and next moves based on the infomration he preceived, any move ram makes yoriichi will adapt to and make countermeasures against so there is no way for her to even do anything
• even if she see him focus his power somewhere she doesn't know where he is going to attack and what sword form he will use, and even then he scales way above tanjiro who was able to change the Form he was using in the middle of his sword swing on two occasions in his first key so he can change the swing any time he wants and decpaitate her
• the STW works even if you're blind
• he can manipulate his blood flow and instantly make a technnique tailor made to counter an opponent after just seeing them once
• tell how strong an opponent is at first glance

scales way above tanjrio who could

• adapt to fighting in a room where the orientation of gravity was constantly rotating while having broken ribs and a broken leg that weren't fully healed
• continuously dodge a total of six balls that were controlled by someone with Vector Manipulation that made them constantly follow him
• managed to defeat Yoriichi Type Zero with its six arms and swords and 108 techniques in the swordsmith village arc, that's a doll as well so zero intent behind each attack
• was able to create Waltz Flash to boost his speed based on a memory of Zenitsu explaining his Breath of Thunder while chasing uppermoon 4 despite this being a difficult thing to do.
• can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent.
• can merge two fighting styles while being proficient in neither

scales above kokushibo who can reads someone's genome in seconds and accurately determine their ancestry

Even with him teaching it himself Yoriichi's breathing style couldn't be learned by a guy whose breathing style also couldn't be learned by anyome with him actively trying to teach it and he couldn't even come close to his level after being obsessed with just that and trying to do it for 500 years of training as a demon who doesn't eat sleep or grows tired to the pointhe went as far as calling him the unequal sun in his death and dying in regret, as far as I'm aware, ley doesn't have any such techniques in his arsenal, as far as it's concerned, he is a jack of all trades and a master of none

Kokushibo made a sword style that cannot be passed down to Anyone the same the reason the sun breathing couldn't be passed down, that alone makes him a "transcend talent" and yoriichi is so far above him he literally called him the unequal sun that could never be reached and his envy turned to obsession that followed him for the 500 years he trained to surpass him as a being that doesn't need food water nor sleep and died in regret as he realized everything he did was meaningless

Yoriichi is a genius swordsmans tactician and a genius teacher, he singlehandedly made a golden era for the demon hunters he is the
Progenitor of an entire branch of fighting styles tailor made to suit the pillars at the time and created a generation that remained unsurpassed for the next 500 years after being in a 500 year old organization for less than 7 years he has a talent that never existed prior nor did it exist ever again after he died

I very much doubt if he ever even ate someone with that level of ability, even if we assume yoriichi isn't good at martial arts key would simply a jack of all trades while yoriichi is a master of one

Ley would need way more feats than just that to even be on the same level here

would you look at this

yoriichi has

• way better adaptibility
• way better accelerated development
• way better information analysis
• way better skills
• way better battle intelligence

ley doesn't hold a singke candle to yoriichi in these departments, he never did, he completely loses out in these departments and so does ram

yori also has feats such as

he is way above tanjiro who can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent and he does this himself against muzan where despite only seeing him once, and despite said opponent's physic being unique and one of it's kind, having no set form and being constantly changing in unpredictable patterns, he was able to create an entire new technique dedicated to slashing all the weaknesses despite their appearent chaotic behavior then master it and use it on the spot

yoriichi's AP relies on his information analysis abilities, which are broken, and paired with his extreme fighting talent adaptibility as well as the ability to instantly modify make and merge techniques depending on the situation and his opponent then isntantly use them, no matter what ram does he will instantly make countermeasures agaisnt it and even make a style dedicated to finishing her off

that's why her AP is ineffective agaisnt him as his attacks are always based on the information he constantly analyze from his opponents which renders any attempt at reading him useless as his future attacks strategies and even techniques will constantly and instantly change depending on the flow of battle and how his opponent moves and attacks

Also Ram's feat of dodging garf is still active while debated there is absolutely no doubt that she could handle a character vastly faster than her and which Yoriichi has no comparable feat to even with an extreme lowball. Dont worry i wont mention the numbers, not gonna start another debate here again

you can mention them considering the boost is good enough to let him slash an opponent he deemed frightenly fast 12 times before him even seeing what happened and tanjiro's boost is so good he saw temari's balls go completely still and slashed them all

Ram also has the superior AP via her claravoyance being better than mind reading, also unlike Yoriichi Ram will be aware of how Yoriichi's AP works and would also be aware of what he is going to use to counter her and that too live which gives her another advantage in this field.

the description is

a technique that lets her share her opponent's field of view- this lets her predict moves based on where they are focussed, where they look

which is nullified

yoriichi's analytical prediction works in a way where he doesn't focus anywhere,

and then this

allowing her to feel where they are pouring their power, to read them easier than if she was reading their mind.

which is also ineffective

he analyzes his oponent's movements and adjusts his attacks and next moves based on the infomration he preceived, any move ram makes yoriichi will adapt to and make countermeasure against so there is no way for her to even do anything, she does not resist his AP nor precognition and even if she see him focus his power somewhere she doesn't know where he is going to attack, and even then he scales way above tanjiro who was able to change the Form he was using in the middle of his sword swing on two occasions in his first key so he can change the swing any time he wants and decpaitate her

then this again

yoriichi has

• way better adaptibility
• way better accelerated development
• way better information analysis
• way better skills
• way better battle intelligence

She could successfully mess up his AP by numerous methods after this. If your next arguement is gonna be about how yoriichi can do stuff instantly..well ReZero has better feats of Instinctive reaction to which Ram massively upscales from

such as?

what are the methods she can use to mess it up that she has in her arsenal?

and

deducing that she is reading his movements is child play and he will act accordingly, like putting more force into a different part of his body, acting as if he is using a form then immediately using another one, manipulating his bloodflow and muscles contractions to confuse her etc, he isn't relying on instincts here either, let's not all forget he not only has way better adaptibility battle intelligence and information analysis he also has the ability to instantly find his opponent's weaknesses then instantly make a technique to counter them then instantly use it and blitz them


and she is not the only one with good IR

rengoku can react to attacks with zero intent behind them in a state of deep sleep
sanemi and zenitsu can fight way more skilled opponents while unconscious
mitsuri can dodge attacks too fast for her to see with instinct alone

 

[Passersby]

It's because he can't sense it, he is being seen through by Clairvoyance, and the wind prison isn't an attack requiring pinpoint accuracy- she can just make a wall of blades in front of her and let Yoriichi run into it, and close him in that way.

more like he will slash them all away because he actually can then he slahses her along the way and wins, why would he just run into a wall of sharp wind blades?

Iirc using Breathing techniques in the same level as Hashira does require Superhuman lungs, since standard training Tanjiro did under Shinobu required breaking human sized gourds by blowing inside them hard enough.

Tanjiro also trained in a very low oxygen place for a long time before he even took the exam to become a demon slayer.

There's also the thing where breathing styles you master are less about general skill level and more about wich one is more suited to you as a person.

I don't doubt Ram could use it, but it would lbe inferior to Yoriichi's even if she gets the sun breathing copying 100% right.

to clear up a misunderstanding about "compatibilty", each breathing styles was made to conform each individual's strenghts and weaknesses, thus depending on your consitution you'd be more suited to learn one breathing style rather than another one