would you look at that, don't you love when people conveniently ignore everything you said act like you don't exist and repeat the same points you've been addressing in the thread again without stating why your counterarguments are wrong
because i sure as hell don't
The invisible blades are in no way being detected by Yoriichi, he just does not have any feats of dealing with layered invisibility
it's a pretty simple explanation
1 invisible attacks are as such because they can't be sensed
2 a character who can sens invisible attacks normally couldn't sens another one
3 the character senses aren't strong enough to sens this invisible attack
yoriichi has far better senses, so he can most likely sens or "see" the attack, that simple
unless there is somehow a loop or a fallacy in this logic, this stands correct
these are characters who can react and counter attacks with zero intent behind them while in a state of deep sleep
why is someone with significantly better senses affected by this again?
senses = sheild
invisibly attack = attack
yoriichi's "shield" is way stronger as he has way better feats for his senses, therefore he will sens the invisible attacks
until you find a flaw in my logic, this will always stand true
and evem if he does has no way to actively combat it. Ram can trap him in jail and then spam her mid range attacks or heck even spawn some on top of him. The AP difference doesnt seem to be enough to actually make Rams attack insignificant and continuous attacks of that level should do Yoriichi him in fast.
you also conveniently ignored the other conversation,
giyu's dead calm exists and yoriichi scales far above it, all of her attacks are getting easily destroyed and getting her nowhere
Increase the wind speed to decrease the pressure, she just needs to increase the flow inside of her lungs and allow more blood to receive oxygen that on top of her mana boost amp should allow her to gain atleast temprory amps that can allow her to fight even more effectively.
i'm sorry, increase the flow inside her lungs? what the **** does that mean?
that's just breathing, she still needs to
exhale and you still habe yet to tell me why she can copy the sun breath
For fezzih's arguement about synesthesia to already be similar to Cor Leonis..well no, originally it was only an ability that allowed Rem and Ram to know if their twin was in extreme distress and even that had a range. In fact amping herself via increasing blood flow is already similar to the flow technique in ReZero and thus should actually be way easier for her to copy.
so the completely different mehtod relying on mana to operate should make the completely different power system relying breaths easier to learn and i'm supposed to accept that because you said so without elborating how, wonderful
Next, Ley absolutely takes the combat experience of over 10,000 years and still being unable to do anything against Ram over koku's 500 years. Yoriichi completely loses in that regard.
said no one ever, good job
completely skipping over everything i said so far like it was all a joke
Yoriichi's very first fight was as a 7 year old without prior training with a sword instructor who was simply humoring him and only taught him how to properly hold a sword and he still won that fight almost instantly. Yoriichi also didn't receive buffs since they were present from the very moment he was born since he already had the Demon Slayer Mark and Transparent World as a newborn baby and kokushibo took longer to learn an inferior version of what he is capable of and kokushibo was the same as since nobody was able to learn his Breathing Style either , He is the best swordsman that the Demon Slayer Corps had in a 1000 years history with him being far above said Kokushibo even after he trained for 500 years as a demon who doesn't sleep and is obsessed with surpassing him, Yoriichi's talent is considered to be downright divine by the characters who know him and kokushibo is no exeption as he described as the sun to which every human would want to touch but could only writh on the ground and turn to dust in despair because they never and never will, himself included
he also made the The Breathing Styles during his time in the Demon Slayer Corps which are
Flame Breathing,
Water Breathing,
Lightning Breathing,
Wind Breathing and
Stone Breathing. he is the person responsible for what is considered the golden age of demon hunters with his generation of demon hunters being unmatched despite 500 years having passed since then until the main cast came to be. This is the impact he had on an organization that already existed for 500 years before he came along and he was only part of the organization for less than 7 years
Passersby said:
he is the progenitor of all the Breathing Styles which became the primary fighting styles used by the Demon Slayer Corps which means that he is the progenitor of not just a fighting style but the progenitor of an entire branch of fighting styles with each having their own strenghts and weaknesses, each focusing on either speed flexibility defense offense etc
Passersby said:
Yoriichi made a power system that gave impetus to human evolution as soon as he started fighting, he made a sword style no one could even learn even with him there actively teaching them how to learn it and kokushibo, the seocnd most talented in the series took longer to learn an inferior version of what he is capable of which is the moon breathing and even that was the same as since nobody was able to learn that Breathing Style either , He is the best swordsman that the Demon Slayer Corps had in a 1000 years history with him being far above said Kokushibo even after he trained for 500 years as a demon who doesn't sleep and is obsessed with surpassing him,
his talent is considered to be downright divine by the characters who know him and kokushibo is no exeption as he described as the sun to which every human would want to touch but could only writh on the ground and turn to dust in despair because they never and never will, himself included even when he himself is a genius whose sword style could never be passed down for the same reason as yoriichi's sword style, no matter how much battle experience ley absorbed and the techniques he merged, i don't know where he scales in terms of info analysis adaptibilty and talent compared to yoriichi
he scales way above tanjiro who is able to merge the hinokami kagura dance with the water breathing to create an entire new fighting style to deal with the situation he was in and he was proficient in neither, let alone yoriichi who not only made all the breathing styles, he is more than likely proficient in all of them and he scales way above tanjiro in basically everything
Passersby said:
- yoriichi's analytical prediction works in a way where he doesn't focus anywhere, he analyzes his oponent's movements and adjusts his attacks and next moves based on the infomration he preceived, any move ram makes yoriichi will adapt to and make countermeasures against so there is no way for her to even do anything
- even if she see him focus his power somewhere she doesn't know where he is going to attack and what sword form he will use, and even then he scales way above tanjiro who was able to change the Form he was using in the middle of his sword swing on two occasions in his first key so he can change the swing any time he wants and decpaitate her
- the STW works even if you're blind
- he can manipulate his blood flow and instantly make a technnique tailor made to counter an opponent after just seeing them once
- tell how strong an opponent is at first glance
scales way above tanjrio who could
- adapt to fighting in a room where the orientation of gravity was constantly rotating while having broken ribs and a broken leg that weren't fully healed
- continuously dodge a total of six balls that were controlled by someone with Vector Manipulation that made them constantly follow him
- managed to defeat Yoriichi Type Zero with its six arms and swords and 108 techniques in the swordsmith village arc, that's a doll as well so zero intent behind each attack
- was able to create Waltz Flash to boost his speed based on a memory of Zenitsu explaining his Breath of Thunder while chasing uppermoon 4 despite this being a difficult thing to do.
- can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent.
- can merge two fighting styles while being proficient in neither
scales above kokushibo who can reads someone's genome in seconds and accurately determine their ancestry
Even with him teaching it himself Yoriichi's breathing style couldn't be learned by a guy whose breathing style also couldn't be learned by anyome with him actively trying to teach it and he couldn't even come close to his level after being obsessed with just that and trying to do it for 500 years of training as a demon who doesn't eat sleep or grows tired to the pointhe went as far as calling him the unequal sun in his death and dying in regret, as far as I'm aware, ley doesn't have any such techniques in his arsenal, as far as it's concerned, he is a jack of all trades and a master of none
Kokushibo made a sword style that cannot be passed down to Anyone the same the reason the sun breathing couldn't be passed down, that alone makes him a "transcend talent" and yoriichi is so far above him he literally called him the unequal sun that could never be reached and his envy turned to obsession that followed him for the 500 years he trained to surpass him as a being that doesn't need food water nor sleep and died in regret as he realized everything he did was meaningless
Yoriichi is a genius swordsmans tactician and a genius teacher, he singlehandedly made a golden era for the demon hunters he is the
Progenitor of an entire branch of fighting styles tailor made to suit the pillars at the time and created a generation that remained unsurpassed for the next 500 years after being in a 500 year old organization for less than 7 years he has a talent that never existed prior nor did it exist ever again after he died
I very much doubt if he ever even ate someone with that level of ability, even if we assume yoriichi isn't good at martial arts key would simply a jack of all trades while yoriichi is a master of one
Ley would need way more feats than just that to even be on the same level here
would you look at this
yoriichi has
- way better adaptibility
- way better accelerated development
- way better information analysis
- way better skills
- way better battle intelligence
ley doesn't hold a singke candle to yoriichi in these departments, he never did, he
completely loses out in these departments and so does ram
yori also has feats such as
he is way above tanjiro who can spontaneously create modified versions of his Forms to adapt to a situation or opponent and he does this himself against muzan where despite only seeing him once, and despite said opponent's physic being unique and one of it's kind, having no set form and being constantly changing in unpredictable patterns, he was able to create an entire new technique dedicated to slashing all the weaknesses despite their appearent chaotic behavior then master it and use it on the spot
yoriichi's AP relies on his information analysis abilities, which are broken, and paired with his extreme fighting talent adaptibility as well as the ability to instantly modify make and merge techniques depending on the situation and his opponent then isntantly use them, no matter what ram does he will instantly make countermeasures agaisnt it and even make a style dedicated to finishing her off
that's why her AP is ineffective agaisnt him as his attacks are always based on the information he constantly analyze from his opponents which renders any attempt at reading him useless as his future attacks strategies and even techniques will constantly and instantly change depending on the flow of battle and how his opponent moves and attacks
Also Ram's feat of dodging garf is still active while debated there is absolutely no doubt that she could handle a character vastly faster than her and which Yoriichi has no comparable feat to even with an extreme lowball. Dont worry i wont mention the numbers, not gonna start another debate here again
you can mention them considering the boost is good enough to let him slash an opponent he deemed frightenly fast 12 times before him even seeing what happened and tanjiro's boost is so good he saw temari's balls go completely still and slashed them all
Ram also has the superior AP via her claravoyance being better than mind reading, also unlike Yoriichi Ram will be aware of how Yoriichi's AP works and would also be aware of what he is going to use to counter her and that too live which gives her another advantage in this field.
the description is
a technique that lets her share her opponent's field of view- this lets her predict moves based on where they are focussed, where they look
which is nullified
yoriichi's analytical prediction works in a way where he doesn't focus anywhere,
and then this
allowing her to feel where they are pouring their power, to read them easier than if she was reading their mind.
which is also ineffective
he analyzes his oponent's movements and adjusts his attacks and next moves based on the infomration he preceived, any move ram makes yoriichi will adapt to and make countermeasure against so there is no way for her to even do anything, she does not resist his AP nor precognition and even if she see him focus his power somewhere she doesn't know where he is going to attack, and even then he scales way above tanjiro who was able to change the Form he was using in the middle of his sword swing on two occasions in his first key so he can change the swing any time he wants and decpaitate her
then this again
yoriichi has
- way better adaptibility
- way better accelerated development
- way better information analysis
- way better skills
- way better battle intelligence
She could successfully mess up his AP by numerous methods after this. If your next arguement is gonna be about how yoriichi can do stuff instantly..well ReZero has better feats of Instinctive reaction to which Ram massively upscales from
such as?
what are the methods she can use to mess it up that she has in her arsenal?
and
deducing that she is reading his movements is child play and he will act accordingly, like putting more force into a different part of his body, acting as if he is using a form then immediately using another one, manipulating his bloodflow and muscles contractions to confuse her etc, he isn't relying on instincts here either, let's not all forget he not only has way better adaptibility battle intelligence and information analysis he also has the ability to instantly find his opponent's weaknesses then instantly make a technique to counter them then instantly use it and blitz them
and she is not the only one with good IR
rengoku can react to attacks with zero intent behind them in a state of deep sleep
sanemi and zenitsu can fight way more skilled opponents while unconscious
mitsuri can dodge attacks too fast for her to see with instinct alone
