One Punch Man: Some Tiering Adjustments.

[Tetsucabrah]

Should he not be 8-C for being a high end A class hero that's actually a physical fighter?

The 8-C rating comes from being stronger than Snek, who can is consistently in the top 4 of the Super fight, and could one shot the crows, unlike the other martial artists who got stomped by them even with a big number advantage.

 

[SuperAPM]

Sure, I can see evidence of Snek being 8-C definitively, frankly he should be baseline High 8-C+ for dispatching one of the three crows. At least with Lightning Max you could attribute that to his Lightning boots, and even he should be 8-C physically for being one of the strongest contestants of the Super Fight. But Stinger himself is not strictly a physical fighter since he has his bamboo shoot with him. Guys like Fundoshi and Philosopher you can definately make an argument for, that I'll say.

 

[ElixirBlue]

But in the scans I posted, it showed that the combine efforts of 3 Demons are comparable to Stinger's charging speed.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

I don't understand how a handheld weapon user doesn't count as a physical fighter.

These abitrary rules you guys are making up are just clutter for the pages.

 

[GyroNutz]

Stuff like Lightning Max's lightning kicks would still scale to him physically, since he'd have to be that durable to not have his leg snap in half from the impact.

Neutral on sword/weapon users. If it was something like a clash between swords that obviously requires strength, but just piercing through something doesn't necessarily scale to AP, which is generally what Stinger does.

 

[ElixirBlue]

This sounds like a Mr. 2 vs Sanji discussio

 

[SuperAPM]

That's not at all what that scan implies, like not even slightly. The only comparison made is that both attacks are of similar nature, and so Garou has learned how to effortlessly handle said types of attacks. Not that they are of comparable power. Garou already handled Stingers drill back when he was extremely weakened, of course the combined effort of like 3 Demons would do **** all to him when he's grown to the point that he could survive Rover's energy blasts.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah I'm not seeing evidence that Stinger should be treated as a gadget hero rather than a physical one. All the evidence I've seen suggests that he's just physically powerful.

 

[ElixirBlue]

That's not at all what that scan implies, like not even slightly. The only comparison made is that both attacks are of similar nature, and so Garou has learned how to effortlessly handle said types of attacks. Not that they are of comparable power. Garou already handled Stingers drill back when he was extremely weakened, of course the combined effort of like 3 Demons would do **** all to him when he's grown to the point that he could survive Rover's energy blasts.

Garou is literally referencing the speed. After Garou had a near death experience at the hands of Royal Ripper and evolved further.

And, you're implying if Garou wasn't weaken, he would greatly surpass Genos's speed and keep up with Bang.

 

[GyroNutz]

Honestly there's no reason why he wouldn't be stronger than Snek.

 

[SuperAPM]

Ok, how does that prove he's physically comparable? No, Garou was starting to recover at that point. If you're suggesting he was equally as weakened against Genos as he was against the A/B-Class, he would have been one shot.

If you guys are fine with rating him as comparable to his drill, fine by me. I'm not exactly convinced but whatever. Now we need to figure out how every other hero ranks as well in that case.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Ok, how does that prove he's physically comparable? No, Garou was starting to recover at that point. If you're suggesting he was equally as weakened against Genos as he was against the A/B-Class, he would have been one shot.

Considering Garou fainted after being recovered by Phoenix Man and the fact Garou was weaken for awhile before fighting the A class, I don't see how Garou recovered fast enough to instantly fight Genos to relatively equal speed while his body was recovering from the poison from the A class.

 

[SuperAPM]

Yes, that is the order of events. Its not like Garou growing expodentially in power after being severly injured is a novel concept for him.

 

[ByAsura]

@Elixir You're forgetting how Garou was also almost killed by Bang and Bomb.

 

[ElixirBlue]

But most those instances came from near death. Garou didn't grow exponentially in power after fighting Metal Bat and Watchdogman.

 

[ElixirBlue]

@Elixir You're forgetting how Garou was also almost killed by Bang and Bomb.

I'm not forgetting. I haven't even mentioned them. I noted Phoenix man to show Garou didn't instant recover to fight Genos right after fighting the A class.

 

[SuperAPM]

Who said he was as injured against either of them as he was fighting the A/B-Class heroes?

 

[ByAsura]

@Elixir I'm talking about how he was almost killed by them before collapsing on Phoenix Man. You are excluding that piece of evidence.

Also, Glasses implies the poison didn't work during the later fight.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

But Garou himself says the poison is starting to wear him down after a certain point.

 

[ElixirBlue]

@Elixir I'm talking about how he was almost killed by them before collapsing on Phoenix Man. You are excluding that piece of evidence.

Fine, I won't exclude them. Garou didn't instantly recover after finishing off the A class to match speed with Genos. Garou compared the speed of the 3 Demons to Stinger.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

Garou seemingly overpowered the poison's effects through sheer willpower or something. That'd be my guess, anyway.

Though if he were immune to poison it wouldn't surprise me given his many other superhuman abilities.

 

[ByAsura]

@Elixir I didn't say he instantly recovered, Garou was still heavily weakened to the point of being grossly overpowered by a Tanktop Master-level opponent. It's implied Garou recovered when he began effortlessly overpowering the heroes he was fighting.

@Tetsu Garou doesn't actually say it was the poison after that. He just needs to treat his injuries.

 

[GyroNutz]

He probably adapted to it throughout the match

 

[SuperAPM]

Of course Garou didn't instantly recover fully, several fights earlier he roflstomped Tanktop but now in that fight he's struggling against someone that by his word has comparable strength. But to suggest he was equally as weakened against Genos as he was against the others is obviously ludicrous. He simply went through another Zenkai boost.

No, that scan does not make a comparison in speed. It is simply a comparison in similar technique's, and him stating it barely looks like its moving is irrelevant when he's ludicrously above what he was at that point.

 

[ByAsura]

What's even being argued for?

 

[ElixirBlue]

Reasoning as why Garou mentioning the speed while there is an after image of Stinger being irrelevant? Yes, he is ludicrously above what he was but why does that make it irrelevant?

 

[Dark-Carioca]

A little off-topic but I just realized Choze is now classified as a Demon level monster and Withered Sprout as a Tiger.

Considering we don't really know the Disaster levels for these two and can only assume, we should leave them in unknown.

 

[SuperAPM]

Because that wasn't a comparison in speed, just technique. I don't know how much clearer I'd have to make that.

 

[ElixirBlue]

What's even being argued for?

SuperAPM believes most of Stinger's attack power comes from his weapon, not Stinger himself.

 

[SuperAPM]

I've already agreed to drop that, what even are you arguing for at this point?

 

[ElixirBlue]

Because that wasn't a comparison in speed, just technique. I don't know how much clearer I'd have to make that.

Because you're not making it clear. You are assuming that he was only comparing the technique and assuming ONE writing Garou mentioning the speed is irrelevant.

 

[ElixirBlue]

But i'm done now. Downscale Stinger below Snek for physical AP since he is similar to a gadget wielder because of his bamboo shoot, I guess.

 

[SuperAPM]

Of course him mentioning speed was irrelevant, a heavily weakened Garou already out blitzing Stinger's strongest attack and doing the same whilst significantly more powerful than he was makes no sense as a comparison beyond them obviously being similar types of attacks. What are you even arguing at this point?

 

[Tetsucabrah]

There's enough to infer Choze is a demon. Genos considered Suiryu to be on the S class level and Choze gave him a pretty good fight. Gouketsu said he was decently strong, but he would've commented on him being a dragon like Bakuzan if he was one.

 

[GyroNutz]

I agree that Withered Sprout should stay as unknown, as the whole point of its chapter was that threat levels weren't always right. Choze has enough to suggest he is demon level as Tetsu said, and for what it's worth Bakuzan is generally considered to be one of the weaker dragons.

Let's stay on topic here though, the thread is as good as done.

 

[SuperAPM]

We still need to discuss how every hero ranks, waiting to hear from Qaws on that one. Plus there are some other stuff I wanted to bring up after the fact.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I gave my opinion o. The heroes. As mentioned before we shouldn't make gadget heroes physically Tier 8. But people like Stringer, ZM, and CE should all have the evidence to warrant just Tier 8 physicals.

As for Choze he doesn't need a unknown rating. He scales directly to Suiryu who preformed the 7-B feat.

 

[SuperAPM]

So what's the agreement on who should be in the Physical and Gadget category?

For instance someone like Magic Trick Man, Death Gatling, Mustachio and Golden Ball would be gadgets whilst guys like Fundoshi and Philosopher should be physicals. So where does everyone else fall into to?

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Stop calling spring Mustachio a gadget hero.

 

[ElixirBlue]

It's like saying Atomic is a gadget hero.