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One Punch Man: Some Tiering Adjustments.
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I did some looking and the building Gatling was on was actually pretty tiny so disregard my initial question.
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That's pretty good.
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I found some scaling for B-Classes as well. Regular Hammerhead (without his suit) hospitalized 20 people, and he has a B-Class bounty, suggesting even they can deal with him.
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Not really, but hospitalizing 20 people who should be far superior to a weak 12-year old that was effortlessly destroyed by regular bullies is noteworthy.
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How about calcing Bone grabbing Red Muffler and saving him from the flying bus? I feel like that's a pretty good speed feat for a lower tier character.
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It's good with me, but you may want to wait for Asura to comment again.
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Alright, well before I start with the heroes we need to discuss where all the them scale to. For instance:
C-Class all start at a baseline of "at least" 9-B+ and B-Class start at a baseline of Baseline 9-A. But how are the we scaling the A-Class? Not all A-Class are of equal strength, and even some B-Class are stronger than A-Class heroes. So what member should be left at baseline 9-A and who should be bumped up to High 8-C+
For instance, Lightning Max, Snek and Spring Mustachio would all be High 8-C+ via scaling. But who else should be put at that level?
C-Class all start at a baseline of "at least" 9-B+ and B-Class start at a baseline of Baseline 9-A. But how are the we scaling the A-Class? Not all A-Class are of equal strength, and even some B-Class are stronger than A-Class heroes. So what member should be left at baseline 9-A and who should be bumped up to High 8-C+
For instance, Lightning Max, Snek and Spring Mustachio would all be High 8-C+ via scaling. But who else should be put at that level?
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Unless the B-Class or A-Class shows the ability the fight a Tiger threat alone or scale above someone who has they probably shouldn't be 8-C+. This is especially true for gadget based heroes like One-Shotter.
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So all the guys with weapons and gadgets should be 9-A physically and High 8-C+ with said gear for the most part? So this would apply to:
Child Emperor, Zombieman, Magic Trick Man, Death Gatling, Stinger, Twin Tail, One Shotter, Golden Ball, Spring Mustachio, Shadow Ring, Feather, Chain n' Toad and Needle Star.
Right now the only two with high Tiger level feats is Lightning Max and Snek for killing one of the three crows each. But I guess that they're also 9-A physically with High 8-C+ lightning boots/snake suit. Would that be fine to apply?
What about strictly physical fighters like Heavy Tank Fundoshi, Great Philosopher, Narcisstoic and Mizuki? 9-A or High 8-C+?
Child Emperor, Zombieman, Magic Trick Man, Death Gatling, Stinger, Twin Tail, One Shotter, Golden Ball, Spring Mustachio, Shadow Ring, Feather, Chain n' Toad and Needle Star.
Right now the only two with high Tiger level feats is Lightning Max and Snek for killing one of the three crows each. But I guess that they're also 9-A physically with High 8-C+ lightning boots/snake suit. Would that be fine to apply?
What about strictly physical fighters like Heavy Tank Fundoshi, Great Philosopher, Narcisstoic and Mizuki? 9-A or High 8-C+?
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Snake suit is just durability, not AP. But yeah (besides CE amd Zombieman) the gadget heroes should be weaker than the physical people. It would also allow less scaling issues with Captain Mizuki.
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Would Spring Mustachio really scale to a monster that soundly defeated him, unless we assume he got stronger than Kombu after his fight with him? Only his Tomboy attack managed to do some damage. Kombu wasn't even tired by the time Mustachio dropped unconscious to the ground and was even disappointed by the hero.
Nevermind that in both the episode and manga he's considered a Disaster level Tiger or higher. After all, the strongest Tigers we've seen can destroy buildings (Three Eyed Ghost did it) but so can the weakest Demons. Kombu Infinity is a freak among Tigers.
Nevermind that in both the episode and manga he's considered a Disaster level Tiger or higher. After all, the strongest Tigers we've seen can destroy buildings (Three Eyed Ghost did it) but so can the weakest Demons. Kombu Infinity is a freak among Tigers.
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So how would you propose I rate them all? ZM and CE can be given 9-A AP with High 8-C+ weapons and gadgets since they could either greatly damage or even dispatch two baseline Demon level threats in the form of Pureblood and Phoenix Man. But how would every other hero rank?
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Dark-Carioca Ignore my initial comment, I've changed Spring Mustachio's placement to a 9-A physical fighter with an at best High 8-C+ sword. And even that might be questionable as you've said.
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ZM and CE should just be 8-C+ in my view. For the rest I would place them all at 9-A besides Gatling's gun, Spring's sword, and maybe One-Shotter.
A physical based A-Class hero (so someone like Feather maybe), wpuld probably warrant scaling to Snek.
A physical based A-Class hero (so someone like Feather maybe), wpuld probably warrant scaling to Snek.
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Not sure. The level Spring Mustachio is at right now seems fair, tbh
Kombu was likely not going all out, but Mustachio's Tomboy attack did put a hole in him, so maybe that should be rated higher?
Kombu was likely not going all out, but Mustachio's Tomboy attack did put a hole in him, so maybe that should be rated higher?
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Hm, what would you say would warrant a 8-C+ rating? Unless you meant to write out High 8-C+ or whatever. But even then I would say they'd fit more comfortably as 9-A physically with High 8-C+ weapons.
What about all the other gadget using heroes such as Stinger, Golden Ball, Shadow Ring and Needlestar? Just a simple "Higher" with gear rating?
So physical fighters would be referring to guys like Heavy Tank Fundoshi, Great Philosopher, Narcisstoic and Mizuki, yeah? Feather for instance uses massive Wolverine claws so I would place him in the weapon/gadget based heroes category. So 9-A physically basically.
Dark-Carioca Yeah, that's probably fine.
What about all the other gadget using heroes such as Stinger, Golden Ball, Shadow Ring and Needlestar? Just a simple "Higher" with gear rating?
So physical fighters would be referring to guys like Heavy Tank Fundoshi, Great Philosopher, Narcisstoic and Mizuki, yeah? Feather for instance uses massive Wolverine claws so I would place him in the weapon/gadget based heroes category. So 9-A physically basically.
Dark-Carioca Yeah, that's probably fine.
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I think SM should be High 8-C+ normally, higher with TT. Kombu mainly won via stamina, there's a reason he's called Kombu Infinity. We see SM defending against KI's tentacles. TT could easily pierce through KI and maybe even one-shot him, we know that because KI had to actually dodge and the small piece of kombu he left on the trajectory of the sword was completly pierced.
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I agree with this. Although he could probably be 8-C physically.SuperAPM said:
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I don't think sword wielders should be grouped with "gadget users"
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Well, you agreed with me that his phyiscal body shouldn't be comparable to his Tomboy and put him down at a lower tier because of that. The problem is that we can't backscale him down to 8-C without a specific value to do so, so we have to place him down at 9-A in lew of such information.
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Needlestar and Stinger also shouldn't be grouped with gadget users either.
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Er, that's like saying Metal Bat's power comes from the durability of his bat.SuperAPM said:
There is more supporting evidence that Stinger's power comes from his physical strength than his weapo.
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Stinger's 1600 rating on the Okame mask is pretty telling of his physical abilities.
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I don't remotely see how any of that proves Stinger's physical body is comparable to his weapon. Metal Bat has actual evidence to suggest its his physical body that's doing all the work, whether that be his raw durability, fighting spirit, or the fact that he had to ask to be given an indestructable bat in the first place.
Stinger obviously isn't weak, he's physically stronger than a bear for gods sake. I just don't see that as evidence to say he's physically High 8-C+ rather than just 9-A with a High 8-C+ weapon.
Stinger obviously isn't weak, he's physically stronger than a bear for gods sake. I just don't see that as evidence to say he's physically High 8-C+ rather than just 9-A with a High 8-C+ weapon.
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I mean, what evidence is there that Stinger's feats came from his weapon? Other than not breaking.
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