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Basically recontextualizing the NPI feat wherein saitama moved the portals, using the POV of one who literally has the universe as a wiki. Through his eyes we see that saitama warps reality.

first, lets understand what garou should be capable of.

r/OnePunchMan - The scene of Saitama kicking away Garou's portal literally makes him out as some eldritch abomination and shouldn't have been possible.
As established with this panel right here, garou at that point in time has gained info of the why's and how's that got to do with the universe and so understands how everything operates and why it works.

One look at blast's abilities for example and garou immediately perfectly copies them. He sees what blast does and instantly understands how the energies/forces behave and flow to create the powers.

r/OnePunchMan - The scene of Saitama kicking away Garou's portal literally makes him out as some eldritch abomination and shouldn't have been possible.
Behavior and flows of said forces/energies that appear and exist within the OPM universe; phenomenon that at the end of the day, behave and flow a certain way, seemingly following a set of rules, rules that garou can follow and copy, and are part of reality, of which garou knows everything about. Now here's what I find intriguing about this...

r/OnePunchMan - The scene of Saitama kicking away Garou's portal literally makes him out as some eldritch abomination and shouldn't have been possible.
What does garou see? What is he seeing that he can't understand? Based on what garou should be capable of, he SHOULD be seeing the flows of energy and the behavior of the forces involved. But he isn't and doesn't understand what is happening because if he was able to he wouldn't be confused and should be able to replicate it.

so we have garou with all the knowledge of the universe, unable to comprehend what saitama did.

What I'm getting at here is that what saitama did literally SHOULDN"T have been possible in-universe. that whatever saitama did, it didn't involve him manipulating energy or the forces of the universe, and doing something else entirely. something beyond what is possible within the OPM universe, something that can't be understood nor physically quantified based on anything on their reality, Something... truly alien.

Here's a redundant illustration.
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Additional notes: It basically re-contextualizes any feat of saitama's that would normally be considered impossible or illogical based on our understanding of how the universe works, into something that is completely within saitama's ability to act upon physically.
 
Disagree. Garou was able to copy Saitama to an extent, it's just that in the end Saitama's potential far surpassed his own.
moving the portal and its implications are a separate thing though? Yeah I know garou was able to copy saitama to an extent. this is specifically about what garou wasn't able to copy; *insert my entire post. What you are talking about is garou copying the power produced by saitama's exponential growth and doesnt have anything to do with this CRT.
 
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moving the portal and its implications are a separate thing though? Yeah I know garou was able to copy saitama to an extent. this explicitly about what garou wasn't able to copy and why that is.
Still disagree, just because he's surprised by Saitama doing something is not enough evidence to prove Saitama is going against the way the universe works and is warping reality.

This is to far too weak an evidence to reach such a conclusion and needs more evidence supporting it to be proven.
 
just because he's surprised by Saitama doing something is not enough evidence to prove Saitama is going against the way the universe works and is warping reality
Again, garou is established as literally knowing how everything is supposed to work in the universe, then copy it. Garou sets the standard in reality for what is possible in OPM. For garou to be THAT suprised, then FAIL to replicate the feat, has literally no explanation other than saitama going against how the universe works because what garou does is LITERALLY FOLLOW THE UNIVERSE. Garou is copying and replicating by following reality. How else could garou fail?

by someone doing something impossible in-universe.

This is to far too weak an evidence to reach such a conclusion and needs more evidence supporting it to be proven.
You're not even properly considering the evidence. I'm pretty sure that "garou was suprised" wasn't all that I wrote in there...
 
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What I'm seeing is his ability to interact with portals, which is believed by Garou to should not be possible. That's NPI. This can't be more straightforward.
What stops him from doing it again but for something else other than moving portals?
What stops us from waiting for clear evidence and feats from him before we can claim that he can manipulate reality?
 
What I'm seeing is his ability to interact with portals, which is believed by Garou to should not be possible. That's NPI. This can't be more straightforward.
garou believing it isn't subjective though but an objective fact of the universe. Saitama is doing something that garou believes is impossible, which really is impossible, the ability to go against the rules of the universe; which CAUSES the NPI.

Youre seeing the ability to interact with portals, garou is seeing someone not follow the rules of the universe and manipulating reality.
What stops us from waiting for clear evidence and feats from him before we can claim that he can manipulate reality?
because we already have a POV who had first hand experience of the feat in question and all valid interpretations of his reactions is that saitama is warping reality?
 
Garou was just surprised that Saitama has NPI... You don't need to make it more complicated than that. Saitama can be a Reality Warper if he shows clearer showings than this.
...so literally no mention of the fact that garou cant copy it when based on reality and how the universe works, he should be able to... you're literally just omitting details of the argument at this point.
 
Because he has no reason to? Saitama isn't opening up portals against him.
But saitama is still using the portals whenever its open and available for him. Like if its within garou's capability, why not do the same to saitama and manipulate the portal and do whatever he sees fit? a re-enactment of the scene where saitama kicked the portal and that time he grabbed it? literally so many battle applications and garou is known to use the same power against their original users so why not?

but no, its shows garou looking like he's seeing the most unexplainable stuff possible, attempts to use portals again and continues flabbergasted and uncomprehending when saitama just grabs it, and not once does he show an ounce of understanding.
 
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But saitama is still using the portals whenever its open and available for him. Like if its within garou's capability, why not do the same to saitama and manipulate the portal and do whatever he sees fit? a re-enactment of the scene where saitama kicked the portal and that time he grabbed it? literally so many battle applications and garou is known to use the same power against their original users so why not?

You could make this kind of "What If" scenario for any fight by wondering why a character didn't use a particular power in a particular moment. Going down that rabbit hole is kind of pointless.

But realistically speaking, you say "Why not do the same to Saitama?" The answer is there was never a moment for him to do it.
 
You could make this kind of "What If" scenario for any fight by wondering why a character didn't use a particular power in a particular moment. Going down that rabbit hole is kind of pointless.
Unless there is a setup where it shows garou looking like he's seeing the most unexplainable stuff possible, attempts to use portals again and continues flabbergasted and uncomprehending when saitama just grabs it "He can grab hyperspace gates...?", and not once does he show an ounce of understanding. Again, there being a setup where this whole sequence shouldn't have existed considering garou is supposed to know how everything in the universe works.

the most straightforward answer here is that garou doesn't understand. Which validates the implications.
But realistically speaking, you say "Why not do the same to Saitama?" The answer is there was never a moment for him to do it.
refer to above as to what is setup. You are arguing for a capability that garou supposedly has, that isn't shown, using said nonexistent ability to first argue WHY garou would replicate the feat, and when given an answer, points toward a rabbit hole of whatifs regarding the hypothetical idea of garou having said ability and its implications and claim its pointless, when in the first place what youre saying isnt even supported by what is being portrayed. Youre arguing for nothing here.

based on what I mentioned, the fight took place wherein garou had no ability to replicate the feat and so the fight goes the way it does in the manga. You're arguing for garou having no moment in the fight on the hypothetical scenario that he does have it. of course the fight would have gone down differently if garou did have it.
 
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Wait, NPI isn't supposed to be only for things that aren't physical, a portal is something "physical" but it can't be touched or moved...because it's literally joining two points of space and time.
It's not something like Phoenix Man, which is something mental and not physical.
it's just different,saitama already has NPI,why will be NPI in this case if the portal is physical and can connect to physical places,is not better to make it like a LS feat or a spatial manipulation feat,why NPI?
 
Wait, NPI isn't supposed to be only for things that aren't physical, a portal is something "physical" but it can't be touched or moved...because it's literally joining two points of space and time.
It's not something like Phoenix Man, which is something mental and not physical.
it's just different,saitama already has NPI,why will be NPI in this case if the portal is physical and can connect to physical places,is not better to make it like a LS feat or a spatial manipulation feat,why NPI?
basically based on garou's POV, saitama has the ability to go against the rules of the universe and breaks reality, which is CAUSING the NPI.
 
basically based on garou's POV, saitama is breaking the rules of the universe, which is CAUSING the NPI.
again,why a portal is NPI,if NPI is literraly non physical,and portals are physical,but you cannot touch them because they connect points in space and time.
is not similar...
 
again,why a portal is NPI,if NPI is literraly non physical,and portals are physical,but you cannot touch them because they connect points in space and time.
is not similar...
Just did a read on NPI and basically anything that can't be touched, if interacted with by someone or something, is considered NPI. I think it encompasses the "cant be touched" spectrum no matter its state of corporeality
 
Basically recontextualizing the NPI feat wherein saitama moved the portals, using the POV of one who literally has the universe as a wiki. Through his eyes we see that saitama warps reality.

first, lets understand what garou should be capable of.

r/OnePunchMan - The scene of Saitama kicking away Garou's portal literally makes him out as some eldritch abomination and shouldn't have been possible.'s portal literally makes him out as some eldritch abomination and shouldn't have been possible.
As established with this panel right here, garou at that point in time has gained info of the why's and how's that got to do with the universe and so understands how everything operates and why it works.

One look at blast's abilities for example and garou immediately perfectly copies them. He sees what blast does and instantly understands how the energies/forces behave and flow to create the powers.

r/OnePunchMan - The scene of Saitama kicking away Garou's portal literally makes him out as some eldritch abomination and shouldn't have been possible.'s portal literally makes him out as some eldritch abomination and shouldn't have been possible.
Behavior and flows of said forces/energies that appear and exist within the OPM universe; phenomenon that at the end of the day, behave and flow a certain way, seemingly following a set of rules, rules that garou can follow and copy, and are part of reality, of which garou knows everything about. Now here's what I find intriguing about this...

r/OnePunchMan - The scene of Saitama kicking away Garou's portal literally makes him out as some eldritch abomination and shouldn't have been possible.'s portal literally makes him out as some eldritch abomination and shouldn't have been possible.
What does garou see? What is he seeing that he can't understand? Based on what garou should be capable of, he SHOULD be seeing the flows of energy and the behavior of the forces involved. But he isn't and doesn't understand what is happening because if he was able to he wouldn't be confused and should be able to replicate it.

so we have garou with all the knowledge of the universe, unable to comprehend what saitama did.

What I'm getting at here is that what saitama did literally SHOULDN"T have been possible in-universe. that whatever saitama did, it didn't involve him manipulating energy or the forces of the universe, and doing something else entirely. something beyond what is possible within the OPM universe, something that can't be understood nor physically quantified based on anything on their reality, Something... truly alien.

Here's a redundant illustration.
2d0BuKUd11PT3cM_bBGRC5K-NQgZq_KtQpNNoJpywiyl6JBkVXrBDD96j5zbxnoYlkLmP_hOzZqILSF_bcaaTmkDHAgxdF_r3KsgsZ6z1p4UJWOSAHzZ49xEeoC7OTpGf1-5HMAQ25ZZHQxqQszk9Yggo60sqw8NMZ4fQI_v4Cni8k5DrxAGp9gRlGrJ0g


Additional notes: It basically re-contextualizes any feat of saitama's that would normally be considered impossible or illogical based on our understanding of how the universe works, into something that is completely within saitama's ability to act upon physically.
I disagree, I think maybe I can get spacetime manipulation, but it's limited, this is not distortion of reality
 
Premise: "Garou knows exactly how reality functions"

Rebuttal: Knowing the flow of the energy, and the behavior of the forces =/= knowing every aspect of possibility in the realm of reality.

Thus your entire post is based off a false premise.
-knowing (ALL) the flow of the energy, and (ALL) the behavior of the forces (of the universe).

like yeah if there is some higher dimensional cosmology conceptuality that is out of reach, totally. Assumptions. baseless, as of yet. But within the universe of OPM itself? its established, validated, and by the narrator no less; Garou knows everything.
 
-knowing (ALL) the flow of the energy, and (ALL) the behavior of the forces (of the universe).
ALL flows, and ALL behaviors of the forces are not what composes reality and probability, that's not the same thing.
Space-time Continuum isn't a force nor energy, probability isn't a force nor energy, and these are just examples.
 
ALL flows, and ALL behaviors of the forces are not what composes reality and probability, that's not the same thing.
Space-time Continuum isn't a force nor energy, probability isn't a force nor energy, and these are just examples.
but like, everything is still supposed to be made of flows and behaviors if it exists in the same universe... Like no matter the difference, if it exists in the universe, garou SHOULD know about it.
 
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Here's an example for you:

A God-like character with knowledge of the verse fights a guy, right?

The guy physically beats the God into a pulp and counters his powers with brute force.

Does the guy who beat the God have those abilities because he beat him or the God was surprised the guy did things he did not expect or think he shouldn't be able to do? No.

I disagree too basically.
 
Here's an example for you:

A God-like character with knowledge of the verse fights a guy, right?
okay... so stand ins for garou and saitama.
The guy physically beats the God into a pulp and counters his powers with brute force.
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Does the guy who beat the God have those abilities because he beat him or the God was surprised the guy did things he did not expect or think he could do? No.
assuming said god also has knowledge of "ALL flows of energy, and ALL behaviors of the forces of the universe" and has the same copy ability, who after seeing said guy does the things he does *insert what saitama did, and fails to understand how the guy's actions are working, then god further fails to copy said impossible thing... then I'm to assume that yes, guy isn't following the rules of his reality.

^^^ maybe you forgot to add some details to make the two actually the same scenario.
I disagree too basically.
:(
 
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okay... so stand ins for garou and saitama.

...

assuming said god also has knowledge of "ALL flows of energy, and ALL behaviors of the forces of the universe" and has the same copy ability, who after seeing said guy does the things he does, *insert what saitama did, and fails to understand how the guy's actions are working, then god further fails to copy said impossible thing... then I'm to assume that yes, guy isn't following the rules of his reality.

^^^ maybe you forgot to add some details to make the two actually the same scenario.

:(
I have read what you wrote, and what I got was you leaping into extremes based on your interpretation only with no actual evidence other than "I think this is the correct way". So no, I'm still not convinced. And likely the rest of the people who disagreed too feel the same.


Or you know, Garou was simply surprised that Saitama could do something he thought he couldn't do. That is also a possibility. Also, how is Garou not be able to copy something Saitama can do equal Reality Warping? That can just be something Garou just can't copy. Saitama himself is an enigma in the setting, his abilities might just be unique in a way that prevent copying, no need for this Reality Warping thing.
 
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Or you know, Garou was simply surprised that Saitama could do something he couldn't. That is also a possibility. Also, how is Garou not copying something Saitama can do equal Reality Warping? That can just be something Garou just can't copy. Saitama himself is an enigma in the setting, his abilities might just be unique in a way that prevent copying, no need for this Reality Warping thing.
because garou specifically has knowledge of how the universe works, down to the flows of energy and behavior of forces, and copies accordingly? if he can't understand something and can't replicate, it eludes that said something isn't following how the universe works.

Its another matter if garou understood but couldn't copy then resistence to power mimicry might had credence. but garou is specifically portrayed as "looking like he's seeing the most unexplainable stuff possible, attempts to use portals again and continues flabbergasted and uncomprehending when saitama just grabs it "He can grab hyperspace gates...?", and not once does he show an ounce of understanding.". He both can't understand and can't copy.
 
I have read what you wrote, and what I got was you leaping into extremes based on your interpretation only with no actual evidence other than "I think this is the correct way". So no, I'm still not convinced.
I am literally reiterating what happened in the scene though? Like what part of the interpretation have you dub "extreme"
And likely the rest of the people who disagreed too feel the same.
The most liked post has literally the entire thing omitting details of the argument like bruh
 
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