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The statement can't be more explicit. As I said, it's not a hyperbole that Saitama has infinite potential.
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One-Punch Man: Remove Your Limits! (Willpower and The Limiter)
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No.
Luffy gets his time 5 rating via feats and scaling. There's literally no comparison to be made here, Garou's stuff is from statements that really have no backing and Luffy gets his tiering from a feat that's backed up.
Furthermore, Dark Dragon doesn't even power scale One Piece so that's irrelevant. I'm fine with Saitama having no "limits" (to a certain degree, dude obviously still has limits outside of his own verse.) but the fact that Garou couldn't keep up with Saitama is evident of his copying not being limitless. If he could could things without limits then copying Saitama wouldn't be an issue. If something is astronomically above Garou or grows to a similar / faster rate then his copying is rendered null.
Also wouldn't the entire "no limits" grant Saitama infinite stamina since he has no "limits."
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It refers all of Saitama's physical stats. It's weird to limit the statement of removing the limiter to only stamina.
Edit: Nvm, I got you wrong. I don't know if Saitama has infinite stamina or not.
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I just put this example to make it clear that sometimes there are contradictions of this kind as far as I'm concerned that's all, little example off topic and that's the end of it. Unfortunately I am not as good at writing in English as I am at speaking it since I am Dominican. I hope for your understanding
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He definitely doesn’t have infinite potential. That would imply he can copy up to High 3-A shit, whenever the OP is suggesting a finite tier like 3-A.
I can see up to 3-A for Saitama but I hard disagree with him being able to reach infinity. He can break limits up to a finite level, but his growth clearly isn't "infinite"
Indefinite =/= infinite. Indefinite is something that goes on without knowing when it'll end. Infinity is outright having no end.
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How do we know that though? He only faces against Saitama who has even better growth. They might very well be the strongest 3-A characters in the wiki at the end of the fight and we wouldn't know. He had milestones to demonstrate his strength but there is no such thing at this point.
I am not sure if I understand your argument correctly, but if I do, then you are contradicting yourself. You were talking about how Garou can't close the gap between 4-C and 4-A. Now you are talking about how there is no notable growth. It would mean you are arguing for 4-A Garou before copying Saitama's full strength.
If what you meant was the growth that started after copying, then it is back to square one. Garou wasn't being pushed and the graph was the absolute minimum.
I mean, isn't that the exact reason why Garou can grow indefinitely? God can take his powers back anytime so he would have no concern about Garou. God might very well remove it himself.
Besides, what I am arguing for is less about breaking the limiters and more about the growth rate because of 3-A stuff as Saitama simply upscales from Garou's growth speed. That said, he would also upscale from Monster Garou so this discussion is technically pointless but anyway.
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I mean the point of removing the limiter is that he has infinite potential to grow or no? Maybe we are interpreting that statement differently. Are you saying he still has limits after his "limit" was removed?
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I agree with this thread, though I do have some suggestions.
For one, I don't think we should add explicit ratings in their tiering. Saitama and Garou may be able to grow/copy up to 3-A, however, they have never shown that degree of power, thus I do not think we can add a "tier" for that. I don't really think it works like that.
I think the better idea would just be to say something more vague like "potentially far higher with Accelerated Development" and define all the specific details of Saitama and Garou's limitless growth.
As for Garou's copying. It can just remain as "Varies." The same as something like Ditto. Though it can also have an explanation that explains that he doesn't have a finite cap on what we can copy.
Also, people seem to be misunderstanding what "Limitless" and "Infinite" potential mean. It doesn't mean that Saitama/Garou can grow to Infinity, and I don't think anyone is arguing that. It just means that their potential growth doesn't have a finite cap or limit, and can extend upwards forever. Similar to an exponential function that's graphed, the only real limitation on how high they can go is the amount of time they have to grow.
Another misconception is that Garou was unable to copy Saitama because he was too powerful. This is not the case. What actually happened was that Garou's copying was unable to keep pace with Saitama's evolution. He was falling behind, as in, in time, rather than in strength. Saitama grew so fast that he could no longer copy him fast enough to keep up.
We can actually see on the graph that Garou's growth is pretty much the same as Saitama's but with a slight delay. It has the same curve and rate of growth, but is slightly off-put on the x-axis, which is supporting evidence for what Garou was saying there. I also highly, highly doubt that Garou, who has knowledge of all energy, was prepared to go into a limitless copying evolution battle without knowing he had some arbitrary copying limitation that'd leave him capped out at some certain level. That wouldn't make much sense.
For one, I don't think we should add explicit ratings in their tiering. Saitama and Garou may be able to grow/copy up to 3-A, however, they have never shown that degree of power, thus I do not think we can add a "tier" for that. I don't really think it works like that.
I think the better idea would just be to say something more vague like "potentially far higher with Accelerated Development" and define all the specific details of Saitama and Garou's limitless growth.
As for Garou's copying. It can just remain as "Varies." The same as something like Ditto. Though it can also have an explanation that explains that he doesn't have a finite cap on what we can copy.
Also, people seem to be misunderstanding what "Limitless" and "Infinite" potential mean. It doesn't mean that Saitama/Garou can grow to Infinity, and I don't think anyone is arguing that. It just means that their potential growth doesn't have a finite cap or limit, and can extend upwards forever. Similar to an exponential function that's graphed, the only real limitation on how high they can go is the amount of time they have to grow.
Another misconception is that Garou was unable to copy Saitama because he was too powerful. This is not the case. What actually happened was that Garou's copying was unable to keep pace with Saitama's evolution. He was falling behind, as in, in time, rather than in strength. Saitama grew so fast that he could no longer copy him fast enough to keep up.
We can actually see on the graph that Garou's growth is pretty much the same as Saitama's but with a slight delay. It has the same curve and rate of growth, but is slightly off-put on the x-axis, which is supporting evidence for what Garou was saying there. I also highly, highly doubt that Garou, who has knowledge of all energy, was prepared to go into a limitless copying evolution battle without knowing he had some arbitrary copying limitation that'd leave him capped out at some certain level. That wouldn't make much sense.
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Exactly what I'm saying. I wouldn't say he can copy 4-D shit even with having his "limits" removed.
I'd try to word it in a way that makes it seem like he hasn't broken his limits to an R>F degree or him being able to copy higher Dimensional stuff. He still has limits, those limitations being anything higher D in nature, conceptual, etc.
They still do have limits, using that statement to make it seem like they don't have limits whatsoever is flimsy.
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Of course yeah, higher D is out of the question. That's why we are just talking about 3D power here.
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My main problem is that we never got to see how Garou's mimicry powers would behave when facing, for example, a 3-A character head on, literally anything we say here would have some level of arbitraction involved. So, listing a solid 3-A rating without actually having a feat at that level or some sort of scaling or number seems wrong, we could leave it as "Far Higher" and place their "limit" (For VS Threads purposes), whatever it may be, on their notes section or maybe their battle strategy (which some profiles have)
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Actually, it's called "standard tactics", Geralt's profile has one
We could make one for Garou and Saitama and place there the accepted rules for their powers and how they shall be used on VS Threads
We could make one for Garou and Saitama and place there the accepted rules for their powers and how they shall be used on VS Threads
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This looks fine. I share the same thoughts as Qawsedf234 on the Garou proposals though.
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This is something I've agreed with from day one when CFM Garou's hax was revealed.
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Neutral for now.
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Because his growth in the chart only happens because he copied Saitama and not through his own development.
I was saying his AD couldn't close the gap between those tiers and afterwards when he does get stronger is remarkably less than it was before.
Why would God remove his own limiter? Saitama is called someone who's fist turned against God because he unknowingly broke his limiter. God put it on everyone for a reason and seemingly doesn't like it being removed.
Just put it in the notes section for vs debates and it should be good.
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IMO Garou could copy Saitama limitlessly. The only reason he lost was because he couldn't keep up with rate of how fast Saitama grew while fighting him, especially when Saitama was throwing hundreds of punches his way. Garou just got overwhelmed by his growth and punches
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Conceptual power null gg
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Agree. I always suspected that the references to infinite power were not hyperbole, and probably manifested as infinite power-up potential.
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I agree but this is High 3A
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It's not, their rate of growth is finite.
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They can have infinite exponential growth but they'll never reach infinity. Kt will always be a large number that gets higher without more to it.
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Yes, I am aware.
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Garou can copy to infinity though
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He can copy infinitely a finite number of power, not infinity itself.
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Copy infinitely =/= infinite. This gif shows a clear example of this. No matter how high Garou or Saitama grow they can never reach Infinity, because they only have infinite growth increments.
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"Overcome death" =/= Immortality.
"Overcome death" is in reference to powering through near-death experiences.
"Overcome death" is in reference to powering through near-death experiences.
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Bump
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You already had three agreements with Mav. We're just waiting on the 48 hour window to close.
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What about DDM and Temp?
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DDM and King's stated issue were with the 3A rating, which the OP has already removed. With King they were fine with everything else.
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