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One-Punch Man CRT: Sun Blade Scaling

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Unless I’m just misunderstanding it, proposal two doesn’t make any sense regardless of the dividing by 35 times thing.

Sun Blade is 7-B+ due to downscaling by 35 times, Golden Sperm upscales from it to 7-A (which is already gross because 68.57 megatons is way too far from baseline 7-A to upscale)… and then the Sun Blade upscales to 7-A from Golden Sperm? Am I just misunderstanding what proposal two is supposed to be, or does anyone else see the problem here?
 
Damage3245 said:
Depending on your interpretation of his Atomic Beeline Slash technique, he does technically.
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Ignoring the fact that this would be physically impossible and that the technique is more likely just many different attacks together, I don't recall AS using that technique against Homeless Emperor's sphere either way.
An individual slash did not bust a High 7-A attack.
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So you mean that 35 slashes of the Sun Blade do actually have the power to bust a High 7-A attack in this case? Are you fine with the downscaling multiplier?
 
Ignoring the fact that this would be physically impossible and that the technique is more likely just many different attacks together, I don't recall AS using that technique against Homeless Emperor's sphere either way.
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I didn't say he did.

So you mean that 35 slashes of the Sun Blade do actually have the power to bust a High 7-A attack in this case? Are you fine with the downscaling multiplier?
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I'm just saying that those 35 slashes are what actually dispersed the technique. Based on that, I can't say that one slash or a few slashes are equal to the entire explosion.

At a stretch "Possibly" might work, I agree with Qaws on that, but I'd much rather scale Atomic Samurai as Unknown with the Sun Blade.
 
LordTracer said:
Unless I’m just misunderstanding it, proposal two doesn’t make any sense regardless of the dividing by 35 times thing.

Sun Blade is 7-B+ due to downscaling by 35 times, Golden Sperm upscales from it to 7-A (which is already gross because 68.57 megatons is way too far from baseline 7-A to upscale)… and then the Sun Blade upscales to 7-A from Golden Sperm? Am I just misunderstanding what proposal two is supposed to be, or does anyone else see the problem here?
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Yeah, proposal 2 kinda breaks the up scaling standards a lot.

For me it's proposal 1 or nothingnothing, with what rusty said.
 
Since the problem here is that we don't know how many slashes AS would need to obliterate HE's sphere, what choice do we have here other than "At least 7-B+, possibly High 7-A" for the Sun Blade?
 
Therefir said:
Ignoring the feat altogether would be the worst thing we could do.
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I don't think that's quite the same thing as ignoring it altogether. There's a difference between acknowledging a feat but not committing to a potentially wrong rating, and just not acknowledging it at all.
 
No, you are being disingenuous, putting him at Unknown or even worse, "At least 7-B" would indeed be completely disregarding the feat, and that's because we simply cannot ignore the fact that AS destroyed a High 7-A attack with at the very least 35 cuts.

Besides, what would happen to Golden Sperm and all those who scale above him? Would they also be in Unknown?
 
"AS destroyed a High 7-A attack, but since we're not entirely sure how many slashes he would take to destroy it, let's put him at an even lower tier than the absolute minimum energy he would need it to destroy it, ah yes, that sure is the most accurate approach."

Putting AS at 7-B is not accurate and would disregard even the smallest value you could get from the feat, for no reason. Going with Unknown is unnecessary and too extreme in my opinion, considering the feat has at least a minimum value we could hold onto, regardless of what some people might think.

I still don't see the problem with my proposal, if you are so sure AS couldn't destroy that sphere in one cut.
 
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Cutting to many pieces has been Atomic Samurai's sword style since One Punch Man season 1. Disregarding this feat is like reversing what is supposed to be the portrayal of sun blade and his sword style.
 
I would like to mention Atomic did stop the energy ball's movement towards Atomic and his group. If the Sun Blade was 35 times weaker than the ball then I doubt the first slash would've done anything or even allow Atomic to be in the epicenter of the ball while he cut it the remaining 34 times.

I'm down for proposal 1
 
Another reason why 30 something slashes scaling is absurd.

Take a good look at this picture, the amount of slashes counted would not be capable of this. The energy has been sliced into tiny squares, and I highly doubt HE's energy sphere just so happened to disperse in that exact manner. He didn't only slash it 30 something times, his slashes are probably the same numerous slashes he always does.

I don't care if he scales to it fully are not (Neutral). But this 30+ slash downscaling thing is simply absurd.
 
Damage3245 said:
@ByAsura; your input would be useful here if you'd like to comment.
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I still strongly disagree with proposal 1 due to the massive lack of evidence and extremely strange logic being used by people in this thread, but I'm so sick of repeatedly arguing against this that I just won't.

Do what you like.
 
Yeah, attempting to say that AS, who take bare minimum dozens of slashes if not thousands if you go by the orb fragments, scales to the full power of the orb just isn't sound in my view.

Either we ditch it and give them a "likely much higher" or just give them a possibly rating. Scaling him 1:1 to the orb's power just isn't justified imo.
 
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I feel like this is quite weird but manageable.
I think option 1 is good.
You see, no matter how many times you punch a train it's still gonna run you over. Unless you've got time stop that lets your attacks hit at the same time, it ain't gonna stack and you are just applying the same energy to it over and over again with no stacking.
To disperse sth you'd need to match its power, otherwise no matter how many times you slash you'll still get mowed down by the attack
 
Arceus0x said:
You see, no matter how many times you punch a train it's still gonna run you over.
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Unless of course, you're massively faster than the train and are using a magic sword that can cut through metal so by the time it moves a couple inches you have cut it thousands of times Metal Gear Rising style.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Unless of course, you're massively faster than the train and are using a magic sword that can cut through metal so by the time it moves a couple inches you have cut it thousands of times Metal Gear Rising style.
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still isn't the same. Also wasn't it 35 slashes? Not thousands of times? Doesn't seem like super fast cutting that totally negates the energy. Also tbh even if you do what you said you do you still ain't stopping a friggin train. Also cutting won't stop KE, itll melt through the metal but it won't stop it
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Unless of course, you're massively faster than the train and are using a magic sword that can cut through metal so by the time it moves a couple inches you have cut it thousands of times Metal Gear Rising style.
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You would still have to be somewhat comparable to do anything to it.

Anyway, atm it is 12 to 3. However, all 3 disagreements come from Administrators.
 
I'll take the ultimate mid end and say " 7 A likely higher " with sun blade by downscaling from the attack. We don't end up with a proper numerical value but this is the best we can give. Firstly, it is quite possible that one slash isn't equal to the whole orb, so scaling 1:1 is not right. But we can't ignore their relativity in terms of power as well. So, I am heavily against AS being 35 times weaker than an attack he defeated. After all, he did stop the initial movement of the orb completely.
I not supportive for either, I create my own path!
 
Arceus0x said:
Also wasn't it 35 slashes? Not thousands of times?
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After my comment I was given this response
TheRustyOne said:
Take a good look at this picture, the amount of slashes counted would not be capable of this. The energy has been sliced into tiny squares, and I highly doubt HE's energy sphere just so happened to disperse in that exact manner. He didn't only slash it 30 something times, his slashes are probably the same numerous slashes he always does.
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So you're talking about hundreds to thousands of slashes to get that amount of fragmented material.
Arceus0x said:
Also cutting won't stop KE, itll melt through the metal but it won't stop it
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So then you have issues with this example since it:
  • Isn't the same as dealing with a explosion
  • You can still counter the KE given enough attacks by just fragmenting enough stuff
Phoenks said:
You would still have to be somewhat comparable to do anything to it.
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Not really. You only need to be comparable to the train if you're attempting to nullify its KE. To cut it you just need to exert more force through the sword than the metal can take, which is a 9-B feat.
 
Does anyone strongly reject "far higher, possibly High 7-A with the Sun Blade" and "Possibly High 7-A" ratings for the characters involved?
 
King said:
I'll take the ultimate mid end and say " 7 A likely higher " with sun blade by downscaling from the attack. We don't end up with a proper numerical value but this is the best we can give. Firstly, it is quite possible that one slash isn't equal to the whole orb, so scaling 1:1 is not right. But we can't ignore their relativity in terms of power as well. So, I am heavily against AS being 35 times weaker than an attack he defeated. After all, he did stop the initial movement of the orb completely.
I not supportive for either, I create my own path!
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Yeah. "Far higher, likely High 7 A" seems good enough. I'm in support for this one.
 
Whiz_Almighty said:
Cutting to many pieces has been Atomic Samurai's sword style since One Punch Man season 1. Disregarding this feat is like reversing what is supposed to be the portrayal of sun blade and his sword style.
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Counter argument against my argument:
Atomic samurai wasn't in control of sun blade at all rather was being controlled by sun blade, so his style here is non existence 🤯
 
Whiz_Almighty said:
Counter argument against my argument:
Atomic samurai wasn't in control of sun blade at all rather was being controlled by sun blade, so his style here is non existence 🤯
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Not really. AS said he had been assimilated. Not negated by the sun blade's spirit. They were one with each other so AS style is still there.
 
Yes, that would be ideal. Staff opinions are held to very high regard, so it's best we go with the option that gives us a good compromise.
 
If the sunblade does get another 7-A feat or something you can probably just adjust it to full scaling to the sphere later on.

Anyways what do you need unlocked.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
If the sunblade does get another 7-A feat or something you can probably just adjust it to full scaling to the sphere later on.
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I mean sunblade isn’t getting another feat for an unquantifiable time since AS does nothing but harass king in the webcomic.
 
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