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One Piece: Yamato Scaling CRT

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Yamato's scaling is wack right now.

Her base currently scales relative to Base Kaidou, but the reasonings is so odd.

First justification:

Should be comparable to or stronger than Base Kaidou due to their Zoan Forms matching each other, with Kaidou having had his Devil Fruit for longer than Yamato, meaning his Zoan Forms should provide a superior amplification of power than Yamato's Devil Fruit.

This makes no sense. Kaidou and Yamato both have two completely different Devil Fruit, so even if their Hybrid forms are relative (which I'll tackle later on in this thread), that doesn't meany anything for Yamato's base. Yamato's Devil Fruit, for all we know could amp them more than Kaidou's does to himself. We can't just say that "Hybrid Yamato ~ Hybrid Kaidou, so Base Yamato ~ Base Kaidou"

Therefore we should remove this justification.

Second Justification:

Although inferior, they blocked an attack from Hybrid Form Kaidou

This is a clear outlier. I'll address this in the Yamato Hybrid scaling portion.


Currently, Yamato's Hybrid fully scales to Hybrid Kaidou because:

Fought and parried blows from Hybrid Form Kaidou. Knocked a Hybrid Form Kaidou who was defending himself to the ground with Himorogiri

The first part comes from this scan. In this image, although we do in fact see Yamato defending against Hybrid Kaidou's attacks, we also see that they are clearly on the backhand, bleeding from their face and breathing heavily while Kaidou is seemingly pretty casual.

What makes things worse is that in chapter 1024, we see more of Kaidou and Yamato exchanging blows.

We see Yamato spilling blood, huffing super hard, getting their attacks easily knocked away, and getting knocked back. All while the Hybrid Kaidou that she fully scales to is completely clean, unbothered, and undamaged.

Seeing how Hybrid Yamato is clearly inferior to a pretty noticeable degree to Hybrid Kaidou, it makes no sense to maker them fully scale to him, and it's even worse to include the outlier feat of Base Yamato blocking Hybrid Kaidou to their profile.

The second part is just as bad. The scan is here.

This is absolute bullshit. We literally SEE the impact marks that indicate where Yamato hit Kaidou (here). Yamato hit Kaidou at the top/back of his head. Kaidou was not defending there. He was blocking in front of his face, which is just not where Yamato hit. Yamato's profile makes it seem as though they knocked Kaidou's defense down, which is not what happened.


Yamato with Hao Infusion's justification:

in their Hybrid Form, they matched Hybrid Form Kaidou's Raimei Hakke with one of their own and managed to draw a small amount of blood from him. In their Base Form, they knocked Base Kaidou back alongside a Gear 4th: Snakeman Luffy that was using Haoshoku Infusion

Yeah, no. Yamato never matched Kaidou's Raimei Hakke. They exchanged Raimei Hakkes, but it's ridiculous and outright inaccurate to claim that Yamato's matched Kaidou's.

Not only did Yamato end off much, much worse than Kaidou despite them using Kagami-yama to lessen the blow, they outright stated that they did not come close to the power of Kaidou's Raimei Hakke.


In the second part of Yamato's justification, it claims that Yamato could knock back Base Kaidou.

Luffy with Gear 4 Snakeman + Hao Infusion, already scales above Drunken Kaidou's durability, so we have no way of knowing how much damage Yamato would have actually done, so this justification has no place being here.


Yamato's AP should instead look like this:


Durability:
Multi-Continent level (Comparable to their Attack Power.) , higher in Zoan Forms (Although taking damage and being unable to fully block the attack, they were able to take a Vajra Arrow from Hybrid Form Kaidou.), even higher with Kagamiyama (Can cover themselves with the same ice that they use to attack)

Speed:

FTL (Managed to tag Base Kaidou), higher in Zoan Forms (Kept up with Hybrid Form Kaidou), far higher with Thunder Bagua (Matched Hybrid Form Kaidou's own Thunder Bagua)
 
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1. I disagree with Base Yamato blocking Hybrid Kaido's attack being removed. She should at least downscale from it, although obviously she shouldn't fully scale to Hybrid Kaido. Also, since she doesn't scale to Hybrid Kaido in Base, obviously, that blow was meant to kill Dragon Momo, who had just hurt Hybrid Kaido, so Base Yamato's AP should be comparable to Dragon Momo's durability, which took hits from Greenbull.

1.5. On a related note, not sure whether she used Hao Infusion or not here but her Base did temporarily clash with Hybrid Kaido at the end of chapter 1016, although she was eventually overpowered.

2. For Hybrid Yamato, it should at least be mentioned that she dislocated Hybrid Kaido's jaw in her Hybrid AP section.

3. How come her proposed Hybrid durability doesn't mention her taking those 5 blows from an enraged Hao Infusion + Hybrid Kaido? Even if those hurt her, that's still a really good durability feat.

4. Rest seems fine. Btw, Fireld is gonna kill you, fair warning.
 
Yamato downscaling off Kaidou and upscaling off X Drake is good. I would mention that his Ice Armor alone was able to stand for some short amount of time after a Thunder Bagua, with him seemingly having left it at some point. Idk if that counts, that specific feat is kinda confusing for me.
 
Didn't her head start leaking blood only after he layed the smackdown on her with like 5 continously ACoC hits?
 
Ok, so Yamato actually has a lot of feats that need to be addressed, so let's go overa all of them to get a better degree of Yamato's scaling

First let's go over all of the feats she has that involve the Tobi Roppo and Numbers. She uses Hao Infusion (I'm pretty sure, the lightning looks like it) to instantly one-shot and KO Zoan Ulti, someone Luffy felt he needed Gear 4th to break out of. Her Base Physicals very casually clashes with Gear 2nd+Gear 3rd Luffy, with this very clearly not being her full power as she isn't trying to hurt Luffy or fight him at all at this point, but she is still easily handling him. She also very casually clashes with and parries Base Ulti's attacks, so casually that she isn't even fully paying attention to her in their short clash. She uses Hao Infusion to one-shot a Number fairly easily. She very easily knocks away X Drake when he's in her way, he puts his weapons to block her attack, but she easily swats him away.

What does this tell us? We can clearly see Base Yamato is low diffing Tobi Roppo level characters and not taking them seriously or struggling with them at all, so it is clear that she is above the Tobi Roppo. So now let's talk about her feats with Kaidou.

It is heavily implied she clashes Hao Infusion with Kaidou. With her Hyrid Form and Hao Infusion, she can parry and go back and forth with a Hybrid Kaidou, although is overal inferior. Her Ice Breath clashes evenly with Hybrid Kaidou's Boro Breath. She and Kaidou do in fact clash their Hao Infusion and then hit each other respectively, causing Kaidou's forehead to bleed (She of course says that she didn't come close to blocking Kaidou's attack, but that says nothing about Kaidou's Attack Potency being vastly superior to her Attack Potency. It means her defense wasn't good enough to block the attack while Kaidou's was. All this means is that Kaidou's Attack Potency can deal hefty damage to her). She then drops Kaidou's to the ground and then parries more of his attacks. She smacks Kaidou in the face and leaves a bruise. She in Base blocks an attack from Hybrid Kaidou's physicals. Alongside Luffy, she smacks away Base Kaidou.

So what do we get from this? We see that Yamato's physicals in both Base and Hybrid are capable of consistently parrying and blocking Hybrid Kaidou's attacks, while yes, overtime she is suffering more than he is, that doesn't deny that her physicals are still relative to Hybrid Kaidou's and are capable of fighting against him for a long period of time. Nothing here makes this an outlier at all. Her feats against the Tobi Roppo clearly show she is casually above them and nothing indicates she can't handle Kaidou for a notable period of time. Her ice powers are also able to match Kaidou's fruit powers and hurt him, knocking him to ground. Her Hao Infusion is notably implied to have clashed with and been relative to Kaidou's Hao Infusion, while yes, overall weaker than Kaidou, it's still consistent that she is capable of fighting him for an extended period of time, something no one except Luffy was able to do during the Raid. Point is, she still scales to Kaidou and while overall weaker, she definitely is relative to him.

We also get a good idea of where she scales compared to King and Queen, as Greenbull zero diffs both Queen and King, and tells them flat out that an Admiral could not be an Admiral if he were struggle with people on their level. Then this very same Greenbull gets his head slammed into the ground by Base Yamato's Hao Infusion and mentions how that's some tough Haki.

Point of the matter is this, Yamato does scale relative to Kaidou and none of her casual feats against the Tobi Roppo negate this, in fact her feat against Greenbull also supports this. While yes, she is overall inferior to Kaidou. Being able to fight and continuously parry his blows and hurt him on several instances singlehandedly in a 1v1 alone should make her relative to him. Of course if she 1v1'd Kaidou for a long period of time, she would be showing more signs of injuries and being tired than Kaidou was. Kaidou is literally the endurance guy, being able to fight continously for a very long time. Point is however, Yamato also takes many attacks from Kaidou throughout this battle, even getting repeatedly beat by his Hao Infusion, and she just gets back up and keeps going and by the end of the Raid is completely fine pretty much. She obviously scales to Kaidou and nothing said here negates that either.

"Should be comparable to or stronger than Base Kaidou due to their Zoan Forms matching each other, with Kaidou having had his Devil Fruit for longer than Yamato, meaning his Zoan Forms should provide a superior amplification of power than Yamato's Devil Fruit"

^This needs to go tho as this is really random and completely baseless

So here's how I would rate her

Attack Potency:

Multi-Continent level
(Easily blocked attacks from both Base Ulti and Beginning of Raid Gear 2nd+Gear 3rd Luffy. Easily knocked away X Drake. Blocked an attack from Hybrid Form Kaidou), higher in Zoan Forms (Fought and parried blows from Hybrid Form Kaidou for an extended period of time, but is overall weaker than him. Knocked Hybrid Kaidou into the ground and hurt him with their attacks. Their Namuji Hyoga clashed evenly with Hybrid Form Kaidou's Bolo Breath), far higher with Haoshoku Infusion (Implied to have clashed with Kaidou's Hao Infusion. Their Raimei Hakke somewhat clashed with Hybrid Kaidou's Raimei Hakke and drew blood from him as well. Hurt Greenbull and knocked him to the ground, causing him to state that their Haki was tough)

Durability:

Multi-Continent level
(Comparable to their Attack Power), higher in Zoan Forms (Took many attacks from Hybrid Form Kaidou's Hao Infusion and continued to fight for an extended period of time afterwards), even higher with Kagamiyama (Can cover themselves with the same ice that they use to attack)

Speed is fine in the OP. Anyways that's enough VSBW for one night, I have better things to do tonight
 
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Ok, so Yamato actually has a lot of feats that need to be addressed, so let's go overa all of them to get a better degree of Yamato's scaling

First let's go over all of the feats she has that involve the Tobi Roppo and Numbers. She uses Hao Infusion (I'm pretty sure, the lightning looks like it) to instantly one-shot and KO Zoan Ulti, someone Luffy felt he needed Gear 4th to break out of. Her Base Physicals very casually clashes with Gear 2nd+Gear 3rd Luffy, with this very clearly not being her full power as she isn't trying to hurt Luffy or fight him at all at this point, but she is still easily handling him. She also very casually clashes with and parries Base Ulti's attacks, so casually that she isn't even fully paying attention to her in their short clash. She uses Hao Infusion to one-shot a Number fairly easily. She very easily knocks away X Drake when he's in her way, he puts his weapons to block her attack, but she easily swats him away.

What does this tell us? We can clearly see Base Yamato is low diffing Tobi Roppo level characters and not taking them seriously or struggling with them at all, so it is clear that she is above the Tobi Roppo. So now let's talk about her feats with Kaidou.

It is heavily implied she clashes Hao Infusion with Kaidou. With her Hyrid Form and Hao Infusion, she can parry and go back and forth with a Hybrid Kaidou, although is overal inferior. Her Ice Breath clashes evenly with Hybrid Kaidou's Boro Breath. She and Kaidou do in fact clash their Hao Infusion and then hit each other respectively, causing Kaidou's forehead to bleed (She of course says that she didn't come close to blocking Kaidou's attack, but that says nothing about Kaidou's Attack Potency being vastly superior to her Attack Potency. It means her defense wasn't good enough to block the attack while Kaidou's was. All this means is that Kaidou's Attack Potency can deal hefty damage to her). She then drops Kaidou's to the ground and then parries more of his attacks. She smacks Kaidou in the face and leaves a bruise. She in Base blocks an attack from Hybrid Kaidou's physicals. Alongside Luffy, she smacks away Base Kaidou.

So what do we get from this? We see that Yamato's physicals in both Base and Hybrid are capable of consistently parrying and blocking Hybrid Kaidou's attacks, while yes, overtime she is suffering more than he is, that doesn't deny that her physicals are still relative to Hybrid Kaidou's and are capable of fighting against him for a long period of time. Nothing here makes this an outlier at all. Her feats against the Tobi Roppo clearly show she is casually above them and nothing indicates she can't handle Kaidou for a notable period of time. Her ice powers are also able to match Kaidou's fruit powers and hurt him, knocking him to ground. Her Hao Infusion is notably implied to have clashed with and been relative to Kaidou's Hao Infusion, while yes, overall weaker than Kaidou, it's still consistent that she is capable of fighting him for an extended period of time, something no one except Luffy was able to do during the Raid. Point is, she still scales to Kaidou and while overall weaker, she definitely is relative to him.

We also get a good idea of where she scales compared to King and Queen, as Greenbull zero diffs both Queen and King, and tells them flat out that an Admiral could not be an Admiral if he were struggle with people on their level. Then this very same Greenbull gets his head slammed into the ground by Base Yamato's Hao Infusion and mentions how that's some tough Haki.

Point of the matter is this, Yamato does scale relative to Kaidou and none of her casual feats against the Tobi Roppo negate this, in fact her feat against Greenbull also supports this. While yes, she is overall inferior to Kaidou. Being able to fight and continuously parry his blows and hurt him on several instances singlehandedly in a 1v1 alone should make her relative to him. Of course if she 1v1'd Kaidou for a long period of time, she would be showing more signs of injuries and being tired than Kaidou was. Kaidou is literally the endurance guy, being able to fight continously for a very long time. Point is however, Yamato also takes many attacks from Kaidou throughout this battle, even getting repeatedly beat by his Hao Infusion, and she just gets back up and keeps going and by the end of the Raid is completely fine pretty much. She obviously scales to Kaidou and nothing said here negates that either.

"Should be comparable to or stronger than Base Kaidou due to their Zoan Forms matching each other, with Kaidou having had his Devil Fruit for longer than Yamato, meaning his Zoan Forms should provide a superior amplification of power than Yamato's Devil Fruit"

This needs to go tho^ This is really random and unproven.

So here's how I would rate her

Attack Potency:

Multi-Continent level
(Easily blocked attacks from both Base Ulti and Beginning of Raid Gear 2nd+Gear 3rd Luffy. Easily knocked away X Drake. Blocked an attack from Hybrid Form Kaidou), higher in Zoan Forms (Fought and parried blows from Hybrid For Kaidou for an extended period of time, but is overall weaker than him. Knocked Hybrid Kaidou into the ground and hurt him with their attacks. Their Namuji Hyoga clashed evenly with Hybrid Form Kaidou's Bolo Breath), far higher with Haoshoku Infusion (Implied to have clashed with Kaidou's Hao Infusion. Their Raimei Hakke somewhat clashed with Hybrid Kaidou's Raimei Hakke and drew blood from him as well. Hurt Greenbull and knocked him to the ground, causing him to state that their Haki was tough)

Durability:

Multi-Continent level
(Comparable to their Attack Power), higher in Zoan Forms (Took many attacks from Hybrid Form Kaidou's Hao Infusion and continued to fight for an extended period of time afterwards), even higher with Kagamiyama (Can cover themselves with the same ice that they use to attack)

Speed is fine in the OP. Anyways that's enough VSBW for one night, I have better things to do tonight
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Ok, so Yamato actually has a lot of feats that need to be addressed, so let's go overa all of them to get a better degree of Yamato's scaling

First let's go over all of the feats she has that involve the Tobi Roppo and Numbers. She uses Hao Infusion (I'm pretty sure, the lightning looks like it) to instantly one-shot and KO Zoan Ulti, someone Luffy felt he needed Gear 4th to break out of. Her Base Physicals very casually clashes with Gear 2nd+Gear 3rd Luffy, with this very clearly not being her full power as she isn't trying to hurt Luffy or fight him at all at this point, but she is still easily handling him. She also very casually clashes with and parries Base Ulti's attacks, so casually that she isn't even fully paying attention to her in their short clash. She uses Hao Infusion to one-shot a Number fairly easily. She very easily knocks away X Drake when he's in her way, he puts his weapons to block her attack, but she easily swats him away.

What does this tell us? We can clearly see Base Yamato is low diffing Tobi Roppo level characters and not taking them seriously or struggling with them at all, so it is clear that she is above the Tobi Roppo. So now let's talk about her feats with Kaidou.

It is heavily implied she clashes Hao Infusion with Kaidou. With her Hyrid Form and Hao Infusion, she can parry and go back and forth with a Hybrid Kaidou, although is overal inferior. Her Ice Breath clashes evenly with Hybrid Kaidou's Boro Breath. She and Kaidou do in fact clash their Hao Infusion and then hit each other respectively, causing Kaidou's forehead to bleed (She of course says that she didn't come close to blocking Kaidou's attack, but that says nothing about Kaidou's Attack Potency being vastly superior to her Attack Potency. It means her defense wasn't good enough to block the attack while Kaidou's was. All this means is that Kaidou's Attack Potency can deal hefty damage to her). She then drops Kaidou's to the ground and then parries more of his attacks. She smacks Kaidou in the face and leaves a bruise. She in Base blocks an attack from Hybrid Kaidou's physicals. Alongside Luffy, she smacks away Base Kaidou.

So what do we get from this? We see that Yamato's physicals in both Base and Hybrid are capable of consistently parrying and blocking Hybrid Kaidou's attacks, while yes, overtime she is suffering more than he is, that doesn't deny that her physicals are still relative to Hybrid Kaidou's and are capable of fighting against him for a long period of time. Nothing here makes this an outlier at all. Her feats against the Tobi Roppo clearly show she is casually above them and nothing indicates she can't handle Kaidou for a notable period of time. Her ice powers are also able to match Kaidou's fruit powers and hurt him, knocking him to ground. Her Hao Infusion is notably implied to have clashed with and been relative to Kaidou's Hao Infusion, while yes, overall weaker than Kaidou, it's still consistent that she is capable of fighting him for an extended period of time, something no one except Luffy was able to do during the Raid. Point is, she still scales to Kaidou and while overall weaker, she definitely is relative to him.

We also get a good idea of where she scales compared to King and Queen, as Greenbull zero diffs both Queen and King, and tells them flat out that an Admiral could not be an Admiral if he were struggle with people on their level. Then this very same Greenbull gets his head slammed into the ground by Base Yamato's Hao Infusion and mentions how that's some tough Haki.

Point of the matter is this, Yamato does scale relative to Kaidou and none of her casual feats against the Tobi Roppo negate this, in fact her feat against Greenbull also supports this. While yes, she is overall inferior to Kaidou. Being able to fight and continuously parry his blows and hurt him on several instances singlehandedly in a 1v1 alone should make her relative to him. Of course if she 1v1'd Kaidou for a long period of time, she would be showing more signs of injuries and being tired than Kaidou was. Kaidou is literally the endurance guy, being able to fight continously for a very long time. Point is however, Yamato also takes many attacks from Kaidou throughout this battle, even getting repeatedly beat by his Hao Infusion, and she just gets back up and keeps going and by the end of the Raid is completely fine pretty much. She obviously scales to Kaidou and nothing said here negates that either.

"Should be comparable to or stronger than Base Kaidou due to their Zoan Forms matching each other, with Kaidou having had his Devil Fruit for longer than Yamato, meaning his Zoan Forms should provide a superior amplification of power than Yamato's Devil Fruit"

^This needs to go tho as this is really random and completely baseless

So here's how I would rate her

Attack Potency:

Multi-Continent level
(Easily blocked attacks from both Base Ulti and Beginning of Raid Gear 2nd+Gear 3rd Luffy. Easily knocked away X Drake. Blocked an attack from Hybrid Form Kaidou), higher in Zoan Forms (Fought and parried blows from Hybrid For Kaidou for an extended period of time, but is overall weaker than him. Knocked Hybrid Kaidou into the ground and hurt him with their attacks. Their Namuji Hyoga clashed evenly with Hybrid Form Kaidou's Bolo Breath), far higher with Haoshoku Infusion (Implied to have clashed with Kaidou's Hao Infusion. Their Raimei Hakke somewhat clashed with Hybrid Kaidou's Raimei Hakke and drew blood from him as well. Hurt Greenbull and knocked him to the ground, causing him to state that their Haki was tough)

Durability:

Multi-Continent level
(Comparable to their Attack Power), higher in Zoan Forms (Took many attacks from Hybrid Form Kaidou's Hao Infusion and continued to fight for an extended period of time afterwards), even higher with Kagamiyama (Can cover themselves with the same ice that they use to attack)

Speed is fine in the OP. Anyways that's enough VSBW for one night, I have better things to do tonight
Basically this, although like I said above her Base blocking Hybrid Kaido should mean that, asides from flat-out downscaling, she should scale to Dragon Momo's durability.

Her dislocating his jaw with her Zoan form is also noteworthy.
 
Btw, Fireld is gonna kill you, fair warning.
More like me getting murdered by this week's schedule⚰️, gotta make this quick.
Sorry chief, but that ain't Hao. It was blue/purple in the colored edition while hao is red. Kaido & Yamato just have some lightning techniques.
What does this tell us? We can clearly see Base Yamato is low diffing Tobi Roppo level characters and not taking them seriously or struggling with them at all, so it is clear that she is above the Tobi Roppo.
So that explains why Franky had trouble reacting to her projectile that blizted the Number despite keeping up with Sasaki.
Maybe but Kaido did get the upper hand there too.
Why don't we just say higher with Ice Shields? Like this: "Delayed the blow of the Thunder Bagua with Kagamiyama. Blocked one of the Onigashima bomb's explosion with with an ice barrier."
 
All of this is irrelevant as all the characters mentioned here (other than Drake, which I already brought up) are't even High 6-A.
It is heavily implied she clashes Hao Infusion with Kaidou
That isn't Hao Infusion.
I already mentioned these.

She was completely on the defensive, getting extremely exhausted, and getting pushed back.

Mind you, this was Yamato using 2 hands while Kaidou was only using 1. Again, I'm not saying that she does not scale from Kaidou, I'm saying that she should backscale from him instead of fully scaling, as she's clearly much weaker.
Already addressed this.
Already addressed this.
Where is the bruise?
I already addressed these.
 
Also, those of you voting disagree "FRA" confuse me.

Mitch never disagreed with making Yamato scale inferior to Kaidou instead of fully scaling, he just has some issues with my justification changes and addressed some of Yamato's feats.

The fact is that in Yamato's current profile, they are listed as being comparable, and in some cases superior to Kaidou, which need to go, which I'm pretty sure we all agree with.
 
Also, those of you voting disagree "FRA" confuse me.

Mitch never disagreed with making Yamato scale inferior to Kaidou instead of fully scaling, he just has some issues with the justification and addressed some of Yamato's feats.

The fact is that in Yamato's current profile, they are listed as being comparable, and in some cases superior to Kaidou, which need to go, which I'm pretty sure we all agree with.
they just say disagree fra for the sake of it

they don't even bother reading the whole thread
 
This is at outlier.
How?

Ecen though ye base doesn't scale to his Hybrid, it should still scale above Dragon Momo's durability since Kaido was gonna kill Momo. This is especially supported since Yamato was able to hurt Momo in her base and was implied to be stronger than him (hence why she stayed to defend Wano).
 
How?

Ecen though ye base doesn't scale to his Hybrid, it should still scale above Dragon Momo's durability since Kaido was gonna kill Momo. This is especially supported since Yamato was able to hurt Momo in her base and was implied to be stronger than him (hence why she stayed to defend Wano).
How does her deciding to stay in wano equate to her base being above momonksuke?

Also, momonksuke's durability scales to his bolo breath, which did more damage to greenbull than Yamato's base Hao infusion.
 
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