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I think we should stick with using both ends. 7-A+, possibly High 7-A.
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One Piece Pre-Timeskip AP Scaling
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I think we should stick with using both ends. 7-A+, possibly High 7-A.
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It was a magma punch, meaning akainu wasn't holding back. Point is, i am not saying he was going all out, i am saying he isn't using some casual level of power, and "casual level of power" is quite literally the only level Jinbe needs to reach, since Ace's feat does not come from a special attack or any fight at all, and the Magu Magu no Mi is > the Mera Mera no Mi, so blocking an attack from the Magu to only be damaged by it's special dura negging properties is better than the casual energy released by the Mera Mera.
Jinbe wasn't trying to fight when Akainu attacked him again, his goal was to protect Luffy and run.
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I have no personal qualms about it, but the higher end is mainly accounting for what I didn't account for prior in the calc, and like XDragnoir said
Also, the other end seems way too close to the mid tiers, which is an issue.
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Can you say any profile that uses the low and the high end of both calcs? I am not aware of any if those are a thing.
The mid tiers are being revised as well, we shouldn't use their current tier as an argument for how things could or will look like post revisions.
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Mid tiers count as those Post Timeskip correct? They have no other calcs currently above where they scale now (that I see).
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Why is using a magma punch an indication of Akainu not holding back? We've only ever seen him fight with his magma fruit and the same applies to the other admirals. Was Aokiji not holding back against the strawhats near Water 7 because he was using the Ice fruit?
After Jinbe blocked the magma punch Akainu told him he was only wasting his time and that as a warlord he should know his strength, which Jinbe didn't refute and basically said he'd just use his body as a human shield in an attempt to keep wasting time
Jinbe did try to fight when Akainu attacked him again and he was one-shot:
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Touché, so 7C Jinbe then?
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He could maybe scale to this since he stopped the momentum of Kat's kick, but unsure since he was exploiting the weakness of mochi
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Jinbe scales to Post Timeskip Luffy pre Wano. Anything after will be settled in a Wano Key.
Also, for all the people in here that do calcs, we're gonna need a bunch of lifting revisions. Our lifting strength is some of the most unorganized bs ever
Also, for all the people in here that do calcs, we're gonna need a bunch of lifting revisions. Our lifting strength is some of the most unorganized bs ever
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So... Post-Katakuri Luffy (i guess no no Gears) = Jinbe?
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I meant Pre-Katakuri Luffy.
He fought him in G2nd during Fishman Island.
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His AP scales to Base Luffy's durability & his durability itself scales to G2 luffy:
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It's funny how neither one of them used Koka
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Well, they weren't having a serious fight.
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That's fair.
This would be an issue for Jinbe though, most of Luffy's best feats involve Koka (Doflamingo, Issho, Chinjao).
Jinbe is basically a mystery until he blocks a portion of Linlin's attack
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We'd need to figure out where Hunger pangs Big Mom scales then.
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Luffy's stated to be 100x weaker when Hungry. Would that scale to Linlin?
Also, this is the pre timeskip AP.
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They said her power was massively weaker from her normal state?
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No Idea but that's what's currently accepted.
But like KingTempest said this is a pre-timeskip discussion and the Jinbe scaling can wait for Post-timeskip.
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It's not my fault, it's Jinbe fault, for having his feats split across pre and post.
Okay, let's apply the changes that were accepted, Alabasta upgrade, CP9-TB downgrade, and the high tier that scale to Ace, right?
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Probably Luffy's profiles.
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Oh right, Databook scaling was a thing to be done on here
I'll quickly get them sources.
I'll quickly get them sources.
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What via the databook needs to be discussed? Zoro = Luffy and what else
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Well that's all I was planning on talking about (Maybe Lucci having Haki pre-timeskip but I don't have the sources on hand atm)
Databook Red: [Alabasta Saga]
Databook Yellow: [Enies Lobby Saga]
Vivre Cards For Pre-timeskip: [End of Pre-timeskip]
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VIVRECARD(ビブルカード)ONE PIECE(ワンピース)図鑑～ OFFICIAL SITE
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I'm assuming that's good enough for the upgrades.
I'll add the accepted calcs (that significantly affect people) to the verse page, but we need Luffy's page unlocked.
I'll start working on the affected profiles.
I'll add the accepted calcs (that significantly affect people) to the verse page, but we need Luffy's page unlocked.
I'm assuming this is good enough for the profile additions.
I'll start working on the affected profiles.
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Waiting for this to get evaluated as well.
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Ace's Entei, but something different
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Because it's relevant info for scaling, just because they're currently in the same tier doesn't mean applying this info is unnecessary.
It doesn't need to say anything about Asura and Gears, we're told they're as strong as each other that's it; assuming it only applies for their base strength isn't implied and assuming it doesn't account for them at their strongest would invalidate the statement.
So you would scale them at their strongest which is Asura and Gears.
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Then Sanji in EL is also equal to Luffy, he and Luffy are the only ones with feats of causing non-minor damage against Tekkais.
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Not sure where you got that from what I said... But I'm pretty sure Tekkai isn't a universal durability rating so the justification for Sanji to scale equally to Luffy is wrong.
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Do we upscale the CP9 members with large Doriki differences or no
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Let's hold off on any upscaling talk until the upscaling standards are committed and on the page.
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Regarding Skypeia, we have Wyper who could withstand the force of his Reject Dial three times. The Impact Dial is stated to be 10 times weaker than the Reject Dial. Could we use this method to scale characters who could withstand the force of a Impact Dial scaling.
Wyper is currently scaling to 1.97 Kilotons, so if we divide by 10 that would be 197 Tons (Multi-City Block). This would potentially scales to characters who use Impact Dial
Wyper is currently scaling to 1.97 Kilotons, so if we divide by 10 that would be 197 Tons (Multi-City Block). This would potentially scales to characters who use Impact Dial
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