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One Piece Post-Timeskip Update #2

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Cause with that 11,000 m/s speed it would've taken 15 minutes at the least to get to earth, which makes no sense at all
 
Mr.Cinos15 said:
Oh okay, can I see the links?
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Calc 1 - 2.5 Gigatons (LARGE MOUNTAIN LEVEL)
Calc 2 - 62.8 Teratons (COUNTRY LEVEL+)
Calc 3 - 40.9 Megatons (CITY LEVEL)
Calc 4 - 6.3 Teratons (SMALL COUNTRY LEVEL+)

Law's Durability was calced from taking a portion of Calc 2, getting this - 78.855 Megatons (CITY LEVEL+)
Doflamingo's String Durability was calced from taking a portion of Calc 4, getting this - 419.9 Megatons (MOUNTAIN LEVEL)
 
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Yeah all the values are very consistent as of now.

This is how it'd be as of now

Cracker, Awakening Kata, G4th BOT Luffy, G3rd WCI Luffy would be 630 MT.

Those who scale to Oven get 312.3 Megatons

Those who scale to PH Law get 204.6 Megatons

Those who scale to Base Luffy and above get 27.04 Megatons

And a bunch of other values inbetween those.

Although lower, it's much more consistent, and we actually have supporting calcs for the tiers
 
I wanna get something out the way. I don't wanna wait until we get calcs done until we start scaling like the speed thread. It's page 3.

Charlotte Scaling​

I think that Katakuri with his devil fruit (and not awakening) should scale above Oven.

The sweet commanders are the strongest Big Mom pirates, stronger than everyone else in the crew save Big Mom.
Katakuri has managed to pull off awakening, but I feel like it's not fair that since he's gained an extra ability, we gauge his strengths

For a crew full of Devil Fruit users, I feel as if this should be the scaling for them all.

Sweet Commander Base Strength > Everyone Else's Base Strength
Sweet Commander Devil Fruit > Everyone Else's Devil Fruit
Sweet Commander Awakening > Everyone Else's anything

Unless there are blatant contradictions or specific cases where the DF ability is weaker than the actual fighter (Cracker), then this should be how it is.
 
Nothing to disagree with there, only contention is smoothie since she has no real feats but portrayal wise it makes no sense for her to be significantly weaker than other sweet commanders.

Question are we going to scale them above PerosPero feats in Wano? I see no reason not too since he is probably out for the rest of the arc.
 
joshpiece said:
Nothing to disagree with there, only contention is smoothie since she has no real feats but portrayal wise it makes no sense for her to be significantly weaker than other sweet commanders.
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She has a higher bounty than Cracker, horrible evidence but it's all we got.

She's a sweet commander, regardless she'll scale above everyone else, including the Biscuit soldiers and the lower members
joshpiece said:
Question are we going to scale them above PerosPero feats in Wano? I see no reason not too since he is probably out for the rest of the arc.
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When Wano scaling is put into fruition then they'll scale above him in AP and Dura. Last time we said someone was out, they came back the next chapter
 
I thought we didn't use rankings/bounties for a reason to scale.

Unless I'm just misremembering
 
joshpiece said:
I heavily disagree with scaling Doffy to any admirals or Dressrosa Luffy to them.

Like come on man Do we not remember how the story went? Luffy in a stronger form struggled with cracker… and then Kat then got 1-shot by Kaido at the beginning of wano(yes Ik he was enraged so his haki wasn’t at its peak but still). Now how we are going to scale a character with a track history of that to the god tiers in a weaker form is beyond me. Not to mention trying to scale the person who got Molly whopped by him to them as well.
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Ok now i start to get really annoyed.

Last time i check most agreed that Fujitora and Ryokugyu shouldn't be compared in anyway to the OG Admirals simply because of their titles.

But now that Issho has his own 6-B feats, we decided that he and Ryo may actually be God Tiers above anyone on Dressrosa?

This is ******* ridiculous, this looks like we are just preventing certain group of characters to become 6-B despire having legit reasons to scale.

joshpiece said:
And I’m under the belief the op verse is actually extremely close in power from the God tiers to high tiers just not that close 😂
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Then you should agree that having Doflamingo, the Sweet Commanders, Jack and Pre Wano Gear 4th Luffy below 6-B doesn't make sense.

I mean, can they at least get a Possibly 6-B? Or that its too much to ask?
 
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Stefano4444 said:
Ok now i start to get really annoyed.

Last time i check most agreed that Fujitora and Ryokugyu shouldn't be compared in anyway to the OG Admirals simply because of their titles.

But now that Issho has his own 6-B feats, we decided that he and Ryo may actually be God Tiers above anyone on Dressrosa?

This is ******* ridiculous, this looks like we are just preventing certain group of characters to become 6-B despire having legit reasons to scale.


Then you should agree that having Doflamingo, the Sweet Commanders, Jack and Pre Wano Gear 4th Luffy below 6-B doesn't make sense.

I mean, can they at least get a Possibly 6-B? Or that its too much to be accepted here?
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Yeah this kinda makes sense to me
 
Damage3245 said:
Just saying, if sometimes all we have is "horrible justification", then phrases like "Possibly" and "Likely" can be used for characters like Smoothie.
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She has a solid justification for scaling above people because of her title which canonically states that she's superior to the others
 
Stefano4444 said:
Ok now i start to get really annoyed.

Last time i check most agreed that Fujitora and Ryokugyu shouldn't be compared in anyway to the OG Admirals simply because of their titles.

But now that Issho has his own 6-B feats, we decided that he and Ryo may actually be God Tiers above anyone on Dressrosa?

This is ******* ridiculous, this looks like we are just preventing certain group of characters to become 6-B despire having legit reasons to scale.


Then you should agree that having Doflamingo, the Sweet Commanders, Jack and Pre Wano Gear 4th Luffy below 6-B doesn't make sense.

I mean, can they at least get a Possibly 6-B? Or that its too much to ask?
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Doflamingo has no reason to scale

The Sweet Commanders have no reason to scale

Jack has no reason to scale

Pre Wano Gear 4th Luffy has no reason to scale

If they had reasons to scale then they'd be up there. They don't, which means they have no reasons to scale
 
KingTempest said:
Doflamingo has no reason to scale
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Doflamingo never felt intimidated by Issho's presence, not even when Issho stated that he was planning to go after him after dealing with Luffy and Law, he has no problem to even insult him after dropping the meteor, that's not something he would do to someone that its suppost to be far stronger than him, he even try to kick him in the head after proclaming that he was going to abolish the Shichibukai.

And don't use Sengoku or Whitebeard as counterargument as the two are very different situations, one was during a formal meeting where none had any reason to fight each other while the other was in the middle of a war and he was the wasn't a main target of WB's crew.

And Doffy isn't someone who overestimate his strength, seeing how he was genuinely terrified by Kaido in case he couldn't deliver the SMILEs in time, and he did knowledge Issho and Ryokugyuu's strength as formidable, meaning he was more than aware of Issho's strength and a guy as smart as Doffy wouldn't base his information to exaggerated rumors.

Even even after the truth of Dressrosa come out on the open and that Issho was likely going after him, he was still more than enough confined that he could have neutralize him, although with difficulty.

To sum, across the entire arc Doffy and Issho were more or less been potrayed as be around the same league of power, neither Issho or Doffy had been treated as the far weaker than the other, this its also consistent with was was show on Marineford as he could effortlessly stop Jozu's charge with his strings.

And yes, i still do think that Issho its overall the strongest between the two, but the gap isn't big enough that we can't backscale Doflamingo.

KingTempest said:
Jack has no reason to scale
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Jack, knowing that both Issho, Tsuru and Sengoku were escorting Doffy to prison, still decided to attack the marine fleet, suggesting that he should had be at least capable to hold off characters on the caliber of Issho.

And the fact that even if he fail the mission he could escape without be captured and killed its a proof of that, since i doubt Issho, Tsuru and Sengoku would have let him go without try to stop him, and there was no other notable marines that could have done the same.

Later we also see him fight Ashura Doji on Wano and injuring each other, yet both were still ready to continue the clash until Kaido show up, and Ashura should no way treated as a fodder character as show in both Oden's flashback and Onigashima.

And don't forget that both him and the Gifters fought Inuarashi, Nekomamushi and the Minks under the moon, and despire be defeated he still fought them for a good extend of time, along with defeating plenty of Minks as well.

Keep in mind that both Inuarashi and Nekomamushi along with the rest of the Nine Red Scabbards did fought Kaido and manage to deal some damage to him (even if it didn't last for long).

Also it wouldn't make sense for Jack to be far below both Queen and King, even if he was the weakest of the trio, otherwise he would have been replaced.

KingTempest said:
The Sweet Commanders have no reason to scale

Pre Wano Gear 4th Luffy has no reason to scale
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Pre Wano Gear 4th Luffy > Doflamingo.

Cracker <= Pre Wano Gear 4th Luffy.

Katakuri = Pre Wano Gear 4th Snakeman Luffy <= Pre Wano Gear 4th Luffy.

Smoothie ≈ or >= Cracker.
 
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Anyway it clear that i'm not going to change anyone mind, so i'm will drop this matter so that we can focus on the upgrade.
 
(Couldn't answer before the thread got closed, so I'll just leave this here)

KingTempest said:
Injuring somebody, knocking them back, and overpowering them puts you above them.
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You're exaggerating it. He injured him, that's it. A injured Oden then speedblitzed and severely injured him. Thinking that character X is above character Y even though they could only hurt character Y and character Y then proceeded to put character X to the ground, makes no sense. Injuring someone puts you not above them. Luffy uppercutted Hybrid Kaido and injured him, but that doesn't put him above Kaido.

KingTempest said:
And Dragon Kaido smacked them away.
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And a injured Oden left a massive scar on Kaido, your point? The Scabbards still injured Kaido, if it suddenly matters that Kaido managed to push the Scabbards away after they injured him, then Dragon Kaido injuring Oden doesn't matter since a injured Oden permanently scarred him.
KingTempest said:
Yes actually, he is above Hybrid kaido without Haoshoku, which is why he matched him with Haoshoku instead of without.
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Luffy isn't above Hybrid Kaido. Luffy is fighting a injured Kaido who faced multiple opponents before their fight.
KingTempest said:
He overpowered him and pushed him back and left wounds. You keep making the claim of him hurting him with his strongest attack, which isn't proven to be his strongest attack.
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He didn't overpwower him, he injured him with his strongest attack, that's it. I don't need to make it a claim when Boro Breath is the strongest attack that he has shown in his Dragon form and there is no reason to believe that he's holding back a stronger attack in his Dragon form.
 
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