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I'm still not sure about that. The Pacifista was still pretty intact up to the point that it exploded. And the explosion came from its own damaged systems, not Luffy's punch.
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One Piece Post-Timeskip Update #2
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I'd still argue Hardjun scales above
PX5 is apparently a stronger model than the ones Pre-Timeskip, so it'd be even stronger
Hardjun took a stronger punch confirmed and lived while the Pacifista died, the only reason it exploded it because Luffy killed it with a single punch, that's literally the whole point of that scene
So yes, I still believe Hardjun should be scaling above the Pacifista, if not at least comparable
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When did they say this?
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Yeah that's what I thought, I thought maybe I forgot something specific for PX-5 but nahactually they say the opposite
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Both characters being one-shot by the same attack does not necessarily make them comparable. The Pacifista exploded because it's a cyborg and its internal machinery exploded, not because Luffy did way more damage to it than he did to Harjudin.
EDIT: Currently working on some scaling chains with KingTempest's assistance. Will post here later today when it is done.
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To be fair, Luffy did fold the Pacifista's face in while drawing massive amounts of blood and send him moving much faster than he did Hajrudin
While Hajrudin took a stronger punch better that the Pacifista did
While Hajrudin took a stronger punch better that the Pacifista did
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This could be attributed to Harjudin being a lot more massive than the Pacifista, and having more mass to move.
And Harjudin's face/helmet does look pretty dented from Luffy's punch. Plus it even seems like he lost some teeth from the hit.
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Cooler.
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Yeah that's fair
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No doubts Hajurdin is still more durable then a PX5, and enraged Luffy hitting you>Luffy treating you like an option, so Hajudin surviving that is STILL impressive. Oda wouldn't kill characters off either way- if that hit did him in as bad as it did a PX he would've been out for the rest of the day (which is the rest of the arc by Dressrosa's context)
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Don't worry. KT and I are working on it.
I would appreciate it if you didn't bump this thread anymore. We don't draw these things out because we choose to, but often because we don't have time, and needless reminders only add to stress.
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Ahh shit I thought it went inactive again, mb.
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Just be glad you've got 6-B One Piece.
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7-A Mid tiers but 6-B+ god tiers, win+L lowkey but both are consistent
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Nah man, just wait until that becomes an outlier. Or even better, marine ford is now as big as a football field and the tsunami is only city level.
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Besides, 6-C only has like 2 mostly unscalable calcs unlike 6-B and 7-A.
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Can we not?
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Anyways, question
Also yes, me and Damage have been working on the ratings behind the scenes.
Law has the 204.6 MT slice value from cutting Punk Hazard
We know that Smoker fought Law, blocked hits from him, clashed with him, pushed him back, w/e
Would it be fine to scale Smoker to him? Or does it seem like Law was holding back in any sense.
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Law has the 204.6 MT slice value from cutting Punk Hazard
We know that Smoker fought Law, blocked hits from him, clashed with him, pushed him back, w/e
Would it be fine to scale Smoker to him? Or does it seem like Law was holding back in any sense.
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Personally disagree
Here's the fight btw
Cause we're dealing with Yonko and Admiral now. Before our biggest threat was Moria and OarsOff topic-sorta: Why is Smoker so fodder/useless. I feel like he was something in PTS but now he's just an extra.
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I guess Smoker could scale, but isn't that feat the one that beats Vergo who was stronger than Smoker?
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The only serious moment for Law IMO is when he dodges Smoker's thrust here. In terms of his actual clashes with Smoker, it doesn't look like he's all that pressed, and he ends the fight fairly casually.
Compare to his finishing move on Vergo and his fight with Smoker doesn't seem to come close.
That's another reason why I think it shouldn't scale to Smoker.
Has there been any indication that using Haki on your entire body will actually make it weaker? As far as I'm aware using more Haki like that will just make it deplete faster, not that it actually makes it weaker.
Compare to his finishing move on Vergo and his fight with Smoker doesn't seem to come close.
That's another reason why I think it shouldn't scale to Smoker.
Has there been any indication that using Haki on your entire body will actually make it weaker? As far as I'm aware using more Haki like that will just make it deplete faster, not that it actually makes it weaker.
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Well, I guess that's fair then
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I honestly don't think we are ever informed that it makes it weaker. The only reason people think that is because Vergo and Pica, who both used full body Armament, got dealt with relatively quickly after using it.
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I’m against smoker scaling to Law.
Doffy whooped on smoker low dif ( was literally going to kill him without a scratch) while law could put up a fight with Doffy knowing the ins and outs of his df. And it just doesn’t really make all that sense narratively imo especially since how they both faired against vergo.
Also there’s this showing smoker himself doesn’t even believe he has a chance. Could be referring to dura neg so take it as you will
Doffy whooped on smoker low dif ( was literally going to kill him without a scratch) while law could put up a fight with Doffy knowing the ins and outs of his df. And it just doesn’t really make all that sense narratively imo especially since how they both faired against vergo.
At that time in the story we had no idea what law’s intentions were so oda could be drawing the eyes like that since we don’t know if law is on the good side or not if that makes sense.
Also there’s this showing smoker himself doesn’t even believe he has a chance. Could be referring to dura neg so take it as you will
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Not necessarily. We know using more Haki than necessarily kills its time faster, but as far as we know it doesn't WEAKN. Going by Doflamingo boasting about Vergo's Haki being stronger then Law cuts him anyway, implies Law is no longer the brat they thought he was and just grew stronger than Vergo. (Haki wise)
And Zoro cuts full body Pica right before they have a whole moment of "You can't cut me." >"not unless my haki is stronger than yours." or something around those lines.
The full body users we've seen get dealt with pretty much just weren't up to par with their opponent's haki anymore.
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Yeah. Makes sense.
Pica implied being coated in full body Haki was his most defensive state; if he was purposefully weakening himself by covering himself in Haki over useless areas it would be a bit weird.
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Gear Fourth is actually another good example on "more haki area =/= weaker coverage" since it coats Luffy's arms, legs, upper back and shoulders (and eyes for some reason-) yet it's been depicted as a far stronger haki boost than his usual amps. It's likely that fullbody haki runs out even faster than Gear Fourth does, since Vergo, Pica, and if you wanna use a non-canon example Bullet, all used it when they basically ran out of options and wanted to go all out physically.
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Law could one shot smoker anytime he wanted... Same with vergo once law got his heart back.
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Different key of Law. We're referring to PH Law, that's DR Law that fought Doffy
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