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One Piece: Monster Point Chopper and Perospero Crt
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I see where your going with this. Is there a reason why Katakuri shouldn't scale to H6A?
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Well, Perospero and him would have to have gotten real strong real fast.
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Breaks scaling
Basically, to my knowledge, Katakuri has done literally nothing since WCI except fight Reiju, Ichiji, Niji, Yonj, and Oven.
Aka, the same Katakuri who lost to a weaker Luffy who has 0 reason to scale that high
And since Katakuri wasn't even at Wano he can't get a Wano key either.
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Are we assuming its impossible for katakuri to have gotten stronger since wci?
Didn't rs sanji go from page 1 to king lvl in like 1 week?
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Sanji is a different character with shown proof of Accelerated Development
Katakuri hasn't shown to touch the stuff outside of the usual AD from Haki which applies only to Haki
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Its important to note that katakuri has never been tested or pushed as hard as when he fought luffy
thats plenty of incentive to grow stronger
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I mean it's neither stated nor implied he trained, so we shouldn't make an assumption on the matter
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I wasn't talking about that argument
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I was referring to before he went into sulong the 2nd time
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Sure we dont know what katakuri has been doing since wci but there is an indication that he has gotten stronger somehow
Its a bigger stretch to say that all of perospero's wano feats are outliers than to just accept that katakuri has grown stronger...
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Are we suggesting that onguard chopper has a way to increase his durability?
I am saying his ap scales to Chopper's durability which we have at H6A meaning everyone that scales above Perospero's ap should also scale to H6A
Yeah I didn't think about that, but Marco's base durability isn't anything crazy as random fodder were capable of piercing his skull.
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Hybrid Tobiroppo aren't above G3 what the ****??
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Yeah I know, it sucks ass.
The current logic is that Page 1, whose AP scales to his durability cuz Sanji (which is iffy since Sanji only hurt his Zoan form with Raid Suit boosters), took a G3 punch and got up later with just a hurt jaw, although the punch itself KNOCKED HIM OUT LIKE A LIGHT.
Also, they claim that, when Ulti restrained Luffy with her Hybrid, Luffy was gonna go G4, but I disagree with this since IMO Ulti just had higher LS and G4 would've allowed Luffy to both get superior LS and to swell his shoulders enough to break from her grip.
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And why can't we have both? They aren't mutually exclusive.
Why are we acting like nobody besides the Straw Hats can get stronger after having a major confrontation?
Big Mom went uncontested for decades. There was literally no incentive for her children to grow stronger, so the events of WCI are more than enough to suggest they started training afterward or at least got stronger through the experience.
Post wci Katakuri > Post wci Perospero ~ H6A > Tobiroppo > G3 > Pre-Wano G3 = Wci Awakened Katakuri > Wci Perospero.
I dont see a contradiction here, if the scaling suggests they got stronger then why would we assume otherwise?
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This doesn't take into account the fact that luffy was holding back though
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I personally proposed a 2nd key for Wano Perospero and by extention Wano Katakuri last year, but it was struck down.
Hard.
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Can you link that thread pls
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So, the problem with the original argument is that there's nothing to warrant a new key for Wano Perospero?
Can we not infer that characters have been training due to a drastic increase in strength?
Where is the proof that Law trained post-Dressrosa? Why do we have two separate keys for early and post-Wano Law if there's no proof he trained in either?
It's almost as if we can infer those things through feats and the narrative.
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Hey, I agree with you.
It is hypocritical that we allow it for Law but not Perospero.
But I do think that him hurting MP Chopper and being a threat to Marco may be a bit much since Sulong Carrot was pressuring him, so instead it'd be better to scale him above the Hybrid Tobiroppo.
Or maybe be "At least [Whatever the Hybrid Tobiroppo scale to these days], possibly [Marco level] for his Buso Arrow being a threat to Marco]"
Or maybe his AP could be possibly/likely Marco level but his durability would only scale above the Hybrid Tobiroppo, since otherwise we'd have an injured Neko scaling above Marco which wouldn't make sense, also nothing says his durability scales to his arrows (and no his candy wouldn't scale in durability to Marco, as Sulong Inu one-shot his candy arm too).
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But sulong carrot has no anti feats, I don't understand where this logic comes from
As for his ap scaling above his durability, I absolutely agree with that. I think its more than reasonable to say Perospero could probably not tank his own arrows.
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I mean, this was Post Udon Luffy, what if he's just stronger than when he fought Katakuri?
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Which would be?
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The fact that he isn't surprised.
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How would that increase his durability?
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Idk, but that's been shown pretty consistently to weaken people, right? Like Sanji was hurt by Black Maria because he was restrained and not guarding.
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Sanji was hurt by black maria because he was intentionally not using armament haki
Characters only get less durable while offguard if they can reinforce their durability while onguard, Chopper has no means to do so.
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I was too ngl
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Sanji is H6A without Armament
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