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"Likely"I just realized we scale child Momonosuke to FTL for cutting Kanjuro, I no longer consider Perospero an outlier, he and Katakuri can both be H6A if you want.
I see where your going with this. Is there a reason why Katakuri shouldn't scale to H6A?Katakuri would have stronger Devil Fruit powers. I mean, Perospero having H6A attacks and still being considered significantly weaker than Katakuri(By other members of the crew, literally stated when going to Onigashima) would mean something.
Well, Perospero and him would have to have gotten real strong real fast.I see where your going with this. Is there a reason why Katakuri shouldn't scale to H6A?
Breaks scalingI see where your going with this. Is there a reason why Katakuri shouldn't scale to H6A?
Are we assuming its impossible for katakuri to have gotten stronger since wci?Breaks scaling
Basically, to my knowledge, Katakuri has done literally nothing since WCI except fight Reiju, Ichiji, Niji, Yonj, and Oven.
Aka, the same Katakuri who lost to a weaker Luffy who has 0 reason to scale that high
And since Katakuri wasn't even at Wano he can't get a Wano key either.
Sanji is a different character with shown proof of Accelerated DevelopmentAre we assuming its impossible for katakuri to have gotten stronger since wci?
Didn't rs sanji go from page 1 to king lvl in like 1 week?
Its important to note that katakuri has never been tested or pushed as hard as when he fought luffySanji is a different character with shown proof of Accelerated Development
Katakuri hasn't shown to touch the stuff outside of the usual AD from Haki which applies only to Haki
I mean it's neither stated nor implied he trained, so we shouldn't make an assumption on the matterIts important to note that katakuri has never been tested or pushed as hard as when he fought luffy
thats plenty of incentive to grow stronger
I mean, he attacked Pero in his Base...Btw, the argument that Neko needed an amp to beat Pero is bad, considering he needed that amp to STAND.
I wasn't talking about that argumentI mean, he attacked Pero in his Base...
I was referring to before he went into sulong the 2nd timeBtw, the argument that Neko needed an amp to beat Pero is bad, considering he needed that amp to STAND.
Sure we dont know what katakuri has been doing since wci but there is an indication that he has gotten stronger somehowI mean it's neither stated nor implied he trained, so we shouldn't make an assumption on the matter
Are we suggesting that onguard chopper has a way to increase his durability?So, the implication is that Perospero's arrows = Off-guard Chopper, and his dura scales to an injured Neko? Not entirely opposed to this, especially since BM thought he could (at least slightly) damage a restrained Marco with an arrow.
Hybrid Tobiroppo aren't above G3 what the ****??Look, I tried a year ago proposing that he scale above the Hybrid Tobiroppo since Injured Scabbards >> Hybrid Tobiroppo.
However, this breaks scaling since, while I disagree with this, the wiki says that Hybrid Tobiroppo > G3 > Pre-Wano G3 = Awakened Katakuri > Perospero.
Yeah I know, it sucks ass.Hybrid Tobiroppo aren't above G3 what the ****??
And why can't we have both? They aren't mutually exclusive.Look, I tried a year ago proposing that he scale above the Hybrid Tobiroppo since Injured Scabbards >> Hybrid Tobiroppo.
However, this breaks scaling since, while I disagree with this, the wiki says that Hybrid Tobiroppo > G3 > Pre-Wano G3 = Awakened Katakuri > Perospero.
This doesn't take into account the fact that luffy was holding back thoughYeah I know, it sucks ass.
The current logic is that Page 1, whose AP scales to his durability cuz Sanji (which is iffy since Sanji only hurt his Zoan form with Raid Suit boosters), took a G3 punch and got up later with just a hurt jaw, although the punch itself KNOCKED HIM OUT LIKE A LIGHT.
Also, they claim that, when Ulti restrained Luffy with her Hybrid, Luffy was gonna go G4, but I disagree with this since IMO Ulti just had higher LS and G4 would've allowed Luffy to both get superior LS and to swell his shoulders enough to break from her grip.
I personally proposed a 2nd key for Wano Perospero and by extention Wano Katakuri last year, but it was struck down.And why can't we have both? They aren't mutually exclusive.
Why are we acting like nobody besides the Straw Hats can get stronger after having a major confrontation?
Big Mom went uncontested for decades. There was literally no incentive for her children to grow stronger, so the events of WCI are more than enough to suggest they started training afterward or at least got stronger through the experience.
Post wci Katakuri > Post wci Perospero ~ H6A > Tobiroppo > G3 > Pre-Wano G3 = Wci Awakened Katakuri > Wci Perospero.
I dont see a contradiction here, if the scaling suggests they got stronger then why would we assume otherwise?
Can you link that thread plsI personally proposed a 2nd key for Wano Perospero and by extention Wano Katakuri last year, but it was struck down.
Hard.
It was in this thread.Can you link that thread pls
So, the problem with the original argument is that there's nothing to warrant a new key for Wano Perospero?
Hey, I agree with you.So, the problem with the original argument is that there's nothing to warrant a new key for Wano Perospero?
Can we not infer that characters have been training due to a drastic increase in strength?
Where is the proof that Law trained post-Dressrosa? Why do we have two separate keys for early and post-Wano Law if there's no proof he trained in either?
It's almost as if we can infer those things through feats and the narrative.
But sulong carrot has no anti feats, I don't understand where this logic comes fromHey, I agree with you.
It is hypocritical that we allow it for Law but not Perospero.
But I do think that him hurting MP Chopper and being a threat to Marco may be a bit much since Sulong Carrot was pressuring him, so instead it'd be better to scale him above the Hybrid Tobiroppo.
Or maybe be "At least [Whatever the Hybrid Tobiroppo scale to these days], possibly [Marco level] for his Buso Arrow being a threat to Marco]"
Or maybe his AP could be possibly/likely Marco level but his durability would only scale above the Hybrid Tobiroppo, since otherwise we'd have an injured Neko scaling above Marco which wouldn't make sense, also nothing says his durability scales to his arrows (and no his candy wouldn't scale in durability to Marco, as Sulong Inu one-shot his candy arm too).
YeAre we suggesting that onguard chopper has a way to increase his durability?
I mean, this was Post Udon Luffy, what if he's just stronger than when he fought Katakuri?Yeah I know, it sucks ass.
The current logic is that Page 1, whose AP scales to his durability cuz Sanji (which is iffy since Sanji only hurt his Zoan form with Raid Suit boosters), took a G3 punch and got up later with just a hurt jaw, although the punch itself KNOCKED HIM OUT LIKE A LIGHT.
Also, they claim that, when Ulti restrained Luffy with her Hybrid, Luffy was gonna go G4, but I disagree with this since IMO Ulti just had higher LS and G4 would've allowed Luffy to both get superior LS and to swell his shoulders enough to break from her grip.
Which would be?
The fact that he isn't surprised.Which would be?
How would that increase his durability?The fact that he isn't surprised.
Idk, but that's been shown pretty consistently to weaken people, right? Like Sanji was hurt by Black Maria because he was restrained and not guarding.How would that increase his durability?
Sanji was hurt by black maria because he was intentionally not using armament hakiIdk, but that's been shown pretty consistently to weaken people, right? Like Sanji was hurt by Black Maria because he was restrained and not guarding.
I was too ngl
Sanji is H6A without ArmamentSanji was hurt by black maria because he was intentionally not using armament haki