One Piece - Luffy 2 New Hax

[isee]

UNREACHABILITY

Luffy when using advanced conquers haki has “unreachability” - The power to be unreachable by any means. Luffy can damage opponents without touching them. [Ch 1010]

And
➙SUBJECTIVE REALITY

Luffy has Subjective Reality [Subjective Reality is the power that allows the user to manipulate the boundary between reality and unreality It allows the user to induce reality to what is fiction, fantasy or imaginary, bringing them into existence, as well as turning facts, entities and events into unreality, vanishing them as if they were a mere dream or illusion [Ch 1053.3/Road to laughtale 3]
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[It_is_i_wyatt]

unreachability isnt an ability on here, idk what that would be, maybe spatial manip? and explain why luffy has subjective reality instead of just explaining what it is

 

[LordGinSama]

Disagree with the first suggestion, neutral / leaning towards agreeing with Subjective Reality for Luffy from the Databook statement.

 

[Pikaman]

unreachability isnt an ability on here, idk what that would be

Maybe some really weak version of Non-Existant Physology?

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

Maybe some really weak version of Non-Existant Physology?

what? how?

 

[Purgy]

The first one is just a specific form of forcefield creation...

Or more generally just energy manipulation as he's just surrounding his fist in haki

 

[Pikaman]

what? how?

Idk if he can’t be interacted with in any way that might qualify

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

well he still exists

 

[LordGinSama]

The first one is just a specific form of forcefield creation...

Or more generally just energy manipulation as he's just surrounding his fist in haki

^^^^


This is really simple actually, not sure how people are confusing that for Gojo's infinity

 

[SnookB]

Only leaning to agree only on the latter. Databook literally says he can make stars appear around his opponent's head, and we see birds tweeting around his when he gets hit by the Kanabo.
It's definitely reality warping to a degree.

 

[Trax]

The first one is just a specific form of forcefield creation...

Or more generally just energy manipulation as he's just surrounding his fist in haki

Wasn't haki stated to quite literally be a foreign concept. So haki is most likely just small levels of concept manipulation.

 

[isee]

Wasn't haki stated to quite literally be a foreign concept. So haki is most likely just small levels of concept manipulation.

How? Can you explain it to me

 

[Maitreya12]

Only leaning to agree only on the latter. Databook literally says he can make stars appear around his opponent's head, and we see birds tweeting around his when he gets hit by the Kanabo.
It's definitely reality warping to a degree.

Yeah plus Oda shared some sketches of some of the stuff he wanted to display gear 5 Luffy doing. Like he drew a sketch of Luffy opening up his stomach and revealing it to be an empty battery or something along those lines so it’s definitely toon forceish reality warping.

 

[Trax]

Yeah plus Oda shared some sketches of some of the stuff he wanted to display gear 5 Luffy doing. Like he drew a sketch of Luffy opening up his stomach and revealing it to be an empty battery or something along those lines so it’s definitely toon forceish reality warping.

Luffy transcend's everything hes shown to be aware of tiktok

 

[Trax]

How? Can you explain it to me

What do I explain? How am I supposed to explain hyogoro statements about ryou focuses on the concept of flow and how haki(ryou) is outright stated to be a concept.

 

[LordGinSama]

What do I explain? How am I supposed to explain hyogoro statements about ryou focuses on the concept of flow and how haki(ryou) is outright stated to be a concept.

Haki is not conceptual.

 

[Trax]

Haki is not conceptual.

It was stated to be a concept.

We than get another statement that ryou focuses on the concept of flow that should support that it's at least the weakest version of conceptual manipulation.

 

[KingTempest]

It was stated to be a concept.

We than get another statement that ryou focuses on the concept of flow that should support that it's at least the weakest version of conceptual manipulation.

Do you know there's more than 1 definition for "concept" right? Not always something conceptual

 

[Trax]

Do you know there's more than 1 definition for "concept" right? Not always something conceptual

Would you care to explain how the main definition for the meaning of concept doesn't work in this case?

 

[KingTempest]

Would you care to explain how the main definition for the meaning of concept doesn't work in this case?

I understand a concept called "common sense".
That doesn't mean I understand an abstract concept.

Concept means either an abstract idea or a general notion. Haki is not an abstract idea. It's an ability.

Read a dictionary

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Would you care to explain how the main definition for the meaning of concept doesn't work in this case?

concept

1. a principle or idea: 2. to not understand about something: 3. a principle…

dictionary.cambridge.org

They are using the word concept like how normal people use the word since that's the actual way to use it. That in fiction there can exist abilitites that are more literally conceptual in nature is a different story, but that doesn't mean that just because the word concept is used should be randomly assumed to be one of those cases, that would need far more solid evidence.

 

[LordGinSama]

concept

1. a principle or idea: 2. to not understand about something: 3. a principle…

dictionary.cambridge.org

They are using the word concept like how normal people use the word since that's the actual way to use it. That in fiction there can exist abilitites that are more literally conceptual in nature is a different story, but that doesn't mean that just because the word concept is used should be randomly assumed to be one of those cases, that would need far more solid evidence.

^^^^

MVP of the thread tbh

 

[Trax]

concept

1. a principle or idea: 2. to not understand about something: 3. a principle…

dictionary.cambridge.org

They are using the word concept like how normal people use the word since that's the actual way to use it. That in fiction there can exist abilitites that are more literally conceptual in nature is a different story, but that doesn't mean that just because the word concept is used should be randomly assumed to be one of those cases, that would need far more solid evidence.

There's a statement and im pretty sure feats of ryou focusing on the concept of flow or well using the concept of flow. But to fix my mistake and bring in what I meant was that ryou should be a form of conceptual manipulation not that it is a concept. And ill admit I was wrong for saying that it was

 

[Trax]

I understand a concept called "common sense".
That doesn't mean I understand an abstract concept.

At times like this I would've had a tear in my eye.

But great thing vsbw exists, Conceptual Manipulation is the ability to manipulate, create, and/or destroy abstract concepts. This ability has a variety of applications, ranging from not combat applicable to incredibly dominating. Conceptual Manipulation involves the manipulation of concepts, and not the universe directly.

In this case they're manipulating the concept of flow for ryou

Concept means either an abstract idea or a general notion. Haki is not an abstract idea. It's an ability.

Read a dictionary

Great thing something called conceptual manipulation exists

ts.

 

[Trax]

Wasn't haki stated to quite literally be a foreign concept. So haki is most likely just small levels of concept manipulation.

Great thing I said haki could be small levels of concept manipulation.

 

[KingTempest]

What concept is Haki manipulating, creating, or destroying

 

[Trax]

What concept is Haki manipulating, creating, or destroying

Flow

 

[KingTempest]

Flow

Smh

 

[LordGinSama]

Wanna enlighten me on the concept of "flow"???

 

[Trax]

Wanna enlighten me on the concept of "flow"???

In which way?

 

[LordGinSama]

In which way?

In any way, I don't believe "flow" qualifies as a concept.

Also look at the way it's being worded, "it's based on the concept of flow" key word is based, Haki is no way shape or form manipulates any concept. They are not Manipulating the concept of "flow." and its pretty clearly Hag using flowery language.

 

[Trax]

In any way, I don't believe "flow" qualifies as a concept.

Flow qualifies as a abstract concept due to the fact that its an idea that has no physical form. Meaning we can't hear the flow, we can't see the flow, we can't touch the flow, we can't taste the flow nor can we actually see the flow. The problem I have is that we technically see the flow of something since we can see the flow of water. But its most likely an abstract concept. Like theory or truth.

Also look at the way it's being worded, "it's based on the concept of flow" key word is based,

Says focuses not based. They are two different words with two different definitions.

Haki is no way shape or form manipulates any concept. They are not Manipulating the concept of "flow." and its pretty clearly Hag using flowery language.

"Also look at the way it's being worded, "it's based on the concept of flow" key word is based, "

It says it focuses on the concept of flow". Ryou manipulates the concept of flow, which is shown in both anime and manga. To manipulate is to make something or someone do what you want it to do.


It's possible that hes using flowery language but what does that have to do with the conversation? He gave a simple explanation that's all there is to it.

 

[Chariot190]

tfw average game dev or animator has concept manip for drawing concept art

 

[SnookB]

the term "concept" is refering to idea here, not actual conceptual application. Haki's spiritual, but it isn't conceptual.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

And
➙SUBJECTIVE REALITY

Luffy has Subjective Reality [Subjective Reality is the power that allows the user to manipulate the boundary between reality and unreality It allows the user to induce reality to what is fiction, fantasy or imaginary, bringing them into existence, as well as turning facts, entities and events into unreality, vanishing them as if they were a mere dream or illusion [Ch 1053.3/Road to laughtale 3]

I would say Reality Warping or Subjective Reality makes sense, agree

 

[Stefano4444]

What concept is Haki manipulating, creating, or destroying

Maybe willpower itself?

 

[isee]

What do I explain? How am I supposed to explain hyogoro statements about ryou focuses on the concept of flow and how haki(ryou) is outright stated to be a concept.

Haki is not conceptual,Oda is not a power scaler and he don’t know shit hax
According to this logic

Luffy have law manipulation

 

[isee]

It was stated to be a concept.

We than get another statement that ryou focuses on the concept of flow that should support that it's at least the weakest version of conceptual manipulation.

Luffy stomach is stated to be boundless and

 

[Trax]

Luffy stomach is stated to be boundless and

Canon Because I am oda. Anyone saying otherwise is biased and unfair because his stomach is limitless there is totally no contradictions in the stories definitely so yeah hes boundless

 

[Trax]

Haki is not conceptual,Oda is not a power scaler and he don’t know shit hax
According to this logic

Luffy have law manipulation

How does this matter? Plus in context he really wasn't ignoring it, its just that he was able to withstand and fight in sea prism even the weakest version makes a devil fruit user extremely weak even though they can walk. And luffy doesn't show law manipulation feats till gear 5. Oda not being a powerscaler doesn't mean anything lol thats like saying "since oda isn't a powerscaler" gear 5 is trash making all of luffys hax useless. One more very important thing is that its a hyperbole its clearly an exaggeration. If oda calls something a concept and he shows it, im agreeing with it even if he knows nothing about it.