One Piece General Revisions

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I think base Luffy being stronger than Zoro should be removed.

 

[fandom_9TailAcno]

Guys i have another question regarding one piece-

Zoro dodge kuma air cannon which is stated at LS, since air has mass it can't go ls speed, even if we lowball it to rel+ speed and zoro dodge it, then how fast zoro is?

Or its just a outlier?

 

[fandom_9TailAcno]

tbh it is light speed attack but here(this wiki) they say its not LS because its one piece but in other animes when they say light speed they put it light speed but when it is one piece no its not ……

but clearly one piece characters can dodge light speed (yes zoro dodge light speed pre timeskip so now he should be LS or maybe ls+) but I don't know why here they say they don't..


and by the way devil fruit are not a normal powers they are devil power which is out of this world.

enel can boost his fruit to 200m bolt people like kizaru should be faster than the light speed because the first power he got from the fruit is light(light speed) so he should be able to make it faster and stronger like what we have seen luffy and other people do it (making your fruit stronger again its devil fruit and not a normal power)

Kizaru is df give allow him to turn into light then how he is faster than light?

 

[fandom_9TailAcno]

Btw you are the same guys who get blocked becuase of spamming and a stupid thread?

 

[Damage3245]

FTE movement speed isn't that impressive when you're comparing them to a character that has no speed feats.

 

[fandom_9TailAcno]

Guys i have another question regarding one piece-
Zoro dodge kuma air cannon which is stated at LS, since air has mass it can't go ls speed, even if we lowball it to rel+ speed and zoro dodge it, then how fast zoro is?

Or its just a outlier?

Other than aerozz, pls answer thst question

 

[The_Calaca]

I think it was stated that Kuma's AC gets pushed at LS but doesn't travel at such speed.

 

[Damage3245]

Other than aerozz, pls answer thst question

Even if we accept that Kuma has lightspeed projectiles (which I doubt he does), it would be an outlier for Zoro to dodge them.

 

[fandom_9TailAcno]

Even if we accept that Kuma has lightspeed projectiles (which I doubt he does), it would be an outlier for Zoro to dodge them.

Thanks

 

[Standuser081]

It's an outlier. If we accepted that Zoro was lightspeed, that would mean he would be faster than the admirals, which is very unreasonable seeing as they are the high tiers of the OP verse.

 

[The_Calaca]

It's an outlier because there's no way to jump from MHS to Relativistic that fast. Even Doflamingo has a speed feat at MHS being relatively in a hurry.

And Doflamingo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre TS severely injured Zoro. Are you suggesting Zoro is faster than Doffy?

 

[Standuser081]

The reason why Goku has FTL+ speeds is because he has calculated feats proving that he is FTL+. And there is nothing in the series that contradicts it.

Zoro, on the other hand, would have a lot to contradict his SOL speed. Say, why didn't he just speedblitz Fujitora or Pica during their fights?

 

[Chibi14]

What is about Niji ligh speed sword, can´t we use them us speed calc for upgrade?

 

[Ugarik]

The reason why Goku has FTL+ speeds is because he has calculated feats proving that he is FTL+. And there is nothing in the series that contradicts it.
Zoro, on the other hand, would have a lot to contradict his SOL speed. Say, why didn't he just speedblitz Fujitora or Pica during their fights?

Goku's feat is calculated as 0.25c - Relativistic. The real reason why Goku is FTL+ is because of the multipliers by Kio-ken, SSJ ect. His feats are nowhere near to FTL+

 

[Standuser081]

Are we talking about the same Goku here? Because I'm pretty sure that DBS Goku is MFTL+.

 

[Standuser081]

I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to @Ugarik.

Anyway, Madara is Relativistic because of this calc.

 

[Damage3245]

If you want to discuss Naruto, do it on another thread.

 

[Damage3245]

Simple answer there is Kizaru's attack wasn't lightspeed - not all of his attacks are.

The light from it reached Whitebeard (making him comment on it being rather bright) before the attack did.

 

[The_Calaca]

Nobody is downgrading One Piece. You're just spamming your arguments without good reasonings.

 

[Standuser081]

well that's how oda do it because he want you to know its bright and attack move and kizaru is light speed at all time meaning his attacks and travel speed are on light speed he even stated that his attacks are lightspeed at hawkens (the mangaka himself put this character because he is lightspeed yet a guy/girl like you saying no he isn't?)

WoG cannot be taken as fact if something contradicts it.

 

[The_Calaca]

Lightnings aren't always half of SoL.

 

[Standuser081]

Not all his attacks are lightspeed. And Kalifa was hit by lightning, not light. Light is way faster that lightning.

 

[Gear2ndGandalf]

Aerozz this is getting ridiculous. After seeing all of One Piece even I know none of the characters are SoL or nowhere near Reletivistic for that matter. Just because Kiazaru has a DF that makes him light this doesn't make him move at such speeds. If this were the case Kizaru would have gotten around Marco without any trouble.

 

[Gear2ndGandalf]

Lightnings aren't always half of SoL.

nah its lightning that we know ,it came from the cloud that nami created

I'm pretty sure lightning is only around mach 300 which makes it hypersonic. Edit: Massively Hypersonic

 

[Antvasima]

I have blocked Aerozz. He was warned to stop spamming and derailing previously.

 

[Js250476]

Massively hypersonic

 

[fandom_9TailAcno]

Downward stroke of lighting is 22,0000 mph and return stroke is 22,0000000 map(1/3 of speed of light)

 

[Antvasima]

I nuked all of Aerozz's nonsense posts.

 

[Standuser081]

Good. It was really clogging up the thread.

 

[Damage3245]

Thank you, Ant.

 

[Ercosore]

So going back to Crocodile, are we going to acale the other characters to him or not?

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

 

[Standuser081]

I still am confused as to how Crocodile got beat by base Luffy but demostrated feats that are way above that during that Paramount War.

 

[Damage3245]

I still am confused as to how Crocodile got beat by base Luffy but demostrated feats that are way above that during that Paramount War.

Simple answer is, Oda didn't envisage early on how powerful the high tier and top tier characters would be (remember Shanks losing his arm to a mini-Sea King?), and thus he retconned Crocodile's strength.

 

[The_Calaca]

Plus the fact that every Luffy's enemy underestimate him. But yeah, Oda retconned Crocodile.

 

[Damage3245]

Also, Crocodile did already beat Luffy like twice before their third and final confrontation.

 

[Standuser081]

Plus the fact that every Luffy's enemy underestimate him. But yeah, Oda retconned Crocodile.

After their second fight, Crocodile had to have taken Luffy seriously by that time.

 

[The_Calaca]

Right. Crocodile stomped Luffy twice. The first one Luffy got stabbed with no effort and the second he lost as soon as Crocodile went total offense.

 

[The_Calaca]

After their second fight, Crocodile had to have taken Luffy seriously by that time.

But he left Luffy in the ground instead of finish him off the moment he got the option.

 

[Ercosore]

So would it be fair to say that the first two fights they had are a more accurate depiction of their difference in power than the third one?