One Piece General Revisions

[Cmue0312]

Also Enel off screened Sanji earlier in the arc:

https://********.org/chapter/61710/18

Which when combined with him being surprised that Luffy survived implies Enel wasn't trying. Enel also beat down Zoro easily and Luffy was injured from Wiper's Burn Bazooka which is way weaker then Enel's El Thor:

https://s3.********.org/data/63bfffc92926b3eed0b91e6413839717/x15.png

https://s2.********.org/data/63bfffc92926b3eed0b91e6413839717/x16.png

 

[fandom_1cheapskate]

jeez what did I miss this thread looks like in the 400s already ive only been away for like a day or so.

 

[Damage3245]

You haven't missed much tbh. Just sorting through the ratings of the Pre-Timeskip stuff right now.

I'm going to make a new thread soon with a summary of the points raised here so far. Since we're only at 433 posts currently, we can keep using this thread for at least a little while longer before I make it.

 

[Stefano4444]

I agree with not scaling anyone to Enel. Enel basically died to the Reject Dial forcing him to have to restart his heart.

https://********.org/chapter/61861/14

https://********.org/chapter/61861/18 (next 2 pages)

Enel was also suprised that Luffy could survive his attacks and keep amping them to higher volts. Which basically means Enel beat everyone with casual and weaker attacks then his full power.

https://********.org/chapter/61867/10 (next 7 pages)

https://********.org/chapter/61868/16 (Enel calls out 200 million volts as his maximum output)

If he was trully death then Enel wouldn't have be capable to restart his heart, unless it was stated to be able to resurrect like Doomsday, at most he was clinically dead but not biologically dead other than be remain awake after the attack (if he was unconscious he wouldn't have restart his heart by himself).

So no, Nami's quote in that context is not to be taken literally since she seen to be even unsure if Enel was dead or not.

Enel was also suprised that Luffy could survive his attacks and keep amping them to higher volts. Which basically means Enel beat everyone with casual and weaker attacks then his full power.

https://********.org/chapter/61867/10 (next 7 pages)

https://********.org/chapter/61868/16 (Enel calls out 200 million volts as his maximum output)

Yes, he hasn't go all out until his fight with Luffy, but that doesn't disprove that Zoro, Wiper or Sanji were not durable enough to survive an attack from a casual Enel, attacks were always been calculated to be 7-C.

Sanji survive an El Thor, Wiper survive a Thunder Bird or Zoro survive a Thunder Beast shouldn't not be considered as inconsistencies, since Enel was always casual.

It only prove that Enel's AP should be put at At least Town level (since even when casual he can display such level of power), but this with his Devil Fruit powers, while physically he should put at Likely Town level (Due of be physically as strong as Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Wiper).

 

[Cmue0312]

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If he was trully death then Enel wouldn't have be capable to restart his heart, unless it was stated to be able to resurrect like Doomsday, at most he was clinically dead but not biologically dead other than be still awake after the attack (as if he was unconscious he wouldn't have restart his heart by himself).

So no, Nami's quote in that context is not to be taken literally since she seen to be even unsure if Enel was dead or not.

Why wouldn't he be capable of restarting his heart well unconsious? Logia users have shown that they can turn into their element reflexively. In fact Enel has done it himself:

https://********.org/chapter/61814/13

Why wouldn't they be capable of doing so for purposes other than dodging?

Also I see no reason Nami would be incorect. Enel was hit by a Reject Dial which killed the only other person it hit as well as being implied to be capable of killing Enel (at least in Wiper's mind). Then Enel used his powers on himself. Which the only reason I can think of for doing this is that Enel had to restart his heart.

[/I] Yes, he hasn't go all out until his fight with Luffy, but that doesn't disprove that Zoro, Wiper or Sanji were not durable enough to survive an attack from a casual Enel, attacks were always been calculated to be 7-C.

Sanji survive an El Thor, Wiper survive a Thunder Bird or Zoro survive a Thunder Beast shouldn't not be considered as inconsistencies, since Enel was always casual.

It only prove that Enel's AP should be put at At least Town level (since even when casual he can display such level of power), but this with his Devil Fruit powers, while physically he should put at Likely Town level (Due of be physically as strong as Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Wiper).

Surviving attack =/= tanking an attack. What evidence is their that Thunder Bird/Beast = El Thor other than it's casual. Just because Enel is always casual doesn't mean all his casual attack are equal.

Why would Wiper need to bet everything on the Reject Dial to kill Enel when Luffy (who he matched in a fight after taking damage) can take down Enel? Remember the Reject Dial has serious reprocusions:

https://********.org/chapter/61795/12 (Luffy vs Wiper)

https://********.org/chapter/61798/5 (Wiper basically saying he needs the Reject to beat Enel)

Luffy was left burned and bloody by the Burn Bazooka which is way weaker than Enel's El Thor: https://********.org/chapter/61795/16

Robin a character who has always been one of the strongest Straw Hats is one-shot by a finger blast: https://********.org/chapter/61860/21

Gan Fall the guy who overpowered Wiper at the begining of Skypiea is one-shot by Enel: https://********.org/chapter/61860/16

Enel defelects the Burn Bazooka with an attack that is clearly way bellow an El Thor: https://********.org/chapter/61861/7

Enel uses an attack that Zoro considers extremely powerful yet is way more casual then El Thor:

https://********.org/chapter/61861/10

https://********.org/chapter/61861/11

The Thunder Bird isn't as strong as an El Thor it's as strong as the attack that one-shot Gan Fall: https://********.org/chapter/61863/7

The Thunder Beast knocked Zoro out:

https://********.org/chapter/61863/10

https://********.org/chapter/61863/11

Enel one-shots this snake that Luffy couldn't damage from the inside:

https://********.org/chapter/61831/5

https://********.org/chapter/61831/6

https://********.org/chapter/61858/13

https://********.org/chapter/61858/14

Also your argument would imply that Luffy, Zoro and Sanji didn't get any stronger from Skypiea to Saboady as Enel's El Thor is the best feat in East Blue.

Rob Lucci made Gear Second Luffy cough up large amounts with his attack that was compared by Luffy to a Reject Dial. Yet Skypiea Luffy can beat someone who according to you is nearly durable enough to tank a Reject Dial.

 

[Stefano4444]

https://********.org/chapter/61814/12

Enel wasn't fully asleep, he only pretended so be.

The simply fact that Enel was able to use his powers means he was still alive and conscious, which means Nami was wrong about the former be dead.

How exaclty surviving an attack cannot be used to scale characters? Someone who can be badly injured by a city busting level nuke would need to had City level durability in virtue of be the mininum level requided to survive such attack.

Maybe not all his casual attacks are equally powerful, still Sanji did survive an El Thor and it had badly injured him he was never be fatally injured.

Because Wiper didn't know Luffy was made of rubber.

Never claimed that Enel could tank the Reject Dial, i have always specify stated that Enel was only durable enough to partially survive a Reject Dial.

And the Rokuogan can partically bypass natural durability by directly damaging the opponent internally, not a good example mate.

 

[The_Calaca]

Wasn't the Rokuougan stronger than a Reject Dial? IIRC Luffy stated it.

 

[Stefano4444]

Wasn't the Rokuougan stronger than a Reject Dial? IIRC Luffy stated it.

https://********.org/chapter/64856/15

https://********.org/chapter/64856/16

And not only Luffy was able to survive not one, but three Rokuougan during his fight with Rob Lucci.

https://********.org/chapter/64859/16

https://********.org/chapter/64859/17

https://********.org/chapter/64862/11

https://********.org/chapter/64862/12

 

[Damage3245]

Luffy says it is stronger than the Impact Dial, not the Reject Dial.

 

[Stefano4444]

Also all the scans you have posted only show that Enel's lightning power is OP and that it should not be used to scale his Durability/Striking Strength, but only his Attack Potency.

And tell me one thing, if he was trully physically stronger than anyone then he should have easily beat Luffy, despire his body be immune to his strongest ability, when instead it was show that without his ability Luffy was more than capable to defeat him.

 

[Captain_Torch]

Yes, Luffy should scale to the Reject dial. Lucci's Rokyogan is several times stronger than the impact dial, the same way the reject dial compares to the impact dial.

 

[Ercosore]

About Enel being unconscious, as far as I know you can only be conscious a few seconds after your hearth stops.

 

[Cmue0312]

I'm not saying Enel is physically stronger than everyone. I'm saying nobody should scale to his Devil Fruit powers. Enel's El Thor is the strongest feat pre-timeskip. Theirs no reason they should scale to the strongest feat when in much later arcs their hurt by weaker attacks.

Franky's explosion feat. Lucci's Rokyogan being comparable to a Reject Dial. Asgard Moria splitting Thriller Bark. All these feats are anywhere from 5-9 Kilotons weaker than Enel's El Thor and are capable of hurting character's who should be much stronger then Skypiea Saga Luffy.

 

[Damage3245]

To avoid this thread going on too long and becoming cluttered, I have created a new thread with a short summary at the top. Please continue the discussion there: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2120242