DaMonkeMan
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No I didn't
Also I can't change the outcome even if I disagreed
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Also I can't change the outcome even if I disagreed
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So Hawkins having a High 6-A form despite being a jobber is logical?
DaMonkeMan
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Well technically he counters Aramaki so Aramaki is out of the question
Also he probably will be Emperor level or close to it but he's gonna need to master his fruit and get better haki then. He's cracked but he's still just 2nd/1st commander level
WrongIdea21
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How about Katakuri's wank? They said Katakuri is stronger than King because of Germa66 scaling, they comparing how King treat Sanji with RS with how Katakuri no diffing the Germa66 with their RS.
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Tbf, Katakuri got screwed by power creep.
He should not be weaker than all the Tobiroppo, yet here we are.
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Hawkins having a High 6-A form scaling to a guy who directly fought Kaidou with a statement of being equal to the guy who directly fought Kaidou while literally every other stat he has is literally thousands of times weaker is logical
Don't compare
DaMonkeMan
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King can melt his Mochi, so that's out of the question
King is faster to the point of being able to blitz his FS and reactions.
King is more durable ( obviously )
On the flip side:
Katakuri is very observant, having noticed the smoke and mirrors behind Luffy's Snakeman technique, so he'll notice that King has a weakness and he'll exploit it.
That's all Katakuri has going for him self, so basically King wins this.
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Zoro also fought Killer in Base.
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Who is this " guy" ?
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Killer, although he seems to not mention that Killer isn't on Kaido's level (at least not in AP) and that Killer is "only" Scabbard lvl
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Ugh! Katakuri wank is equally as bad as Enel wank at this point!
DaMonkeMan
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Sanji and Zoro wank though..
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Narratively Katakuri should be on par with King and Marco.
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Who himself said he was weaker without his scythes
Same Zoro who struggled with a random wolf familiar of the scabbards and some civilians
"Only scabbard level" he's "only scabbard level" for backscaling from Kaidou, not for scaling to the scabbards
See this is you guys' problem. You counter "this is an issue" with "is this not an issue?" without solving the damn issue.
You could see circular scaling and someone could say "this is bad", and you'll counter with "but this isn't bad?" without solving the issue.
Yall are too damn busy trying to make everyone High 6-A instead of trying to make some tiers make sense
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Katakuri just got put down by a punch from his younger brother Oven while struggling against the Vinsmokes
Marco fought King and Queen at the same time
"Narratively" literally complete fan headcanon
DaMonkeMan
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Headcanon. We just saw him get punched by him and get hurt by it, but we don't know if he got knocked out.
I remember when Kachon lashed out at me because I said Marco could beat Sanji and that his shockwave attack could hurt him.
It's only funny because Sanji fans get super defensive when someone says he's weak or he gets beat by another person
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Shhh! Don't awaken the monster...
You mean Oda?
True, but he still drew blood from Zoro (albeit while Zoro was distracted), so he still downscales from Zoro's durability which took hits from Big Mom. And I doubt he'd get millions of times weaker without his scythes.
He could've also been referring to his scythes' sonic dura neg (cuz that shit is broken), but that's just a thought.
Same wolf also drew blood from Kawamatsu
Forgot about the Oven thing.
I concede the point.
RIP High 6-A Katakuri.
Oh God, that thread.
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#1 this proves my point all the same, he was harmed
#2 he knocked him off his feat
#3 w/e
Kachon is Kachon, he would summon demons to curse your lineage if you said that Sanji's hairstyle wasn't cool
DaMonkeMan
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I don't think me and Kachon are on speaking terms after that one anyway
True lol
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Uh, his main AP justification is from scaling above Kiku since he deflected multiple Kaifus when it only took one to make Kiku left-handed.
I mean he also dented Kaido's skin when he attacked alongside Zoro and made Kaido throb, but the main thing is the Kaifu stuff.
DaMonkeMan
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Yeah but I was just disproving the whole " he got knocked out " thing.
yup, dude would definitely send a legion of hell hounds from the deepest pits of the earth to devour my soul if I posted this
DaMonkeMan
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Oda is getting old
WrongIdea21
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I agree with the role he wouldnt be weaker than Tobiroppo. Peros, Oven, Daifuku and Snack should atleast be a rival of the Tobiroppo.
It's not about vs match but by the role that the story give them, they sould be equal in term of Yonko army.
Bigmom seems confident to challenge another Yonko if Elbaf army on her side, I don't see Elbaf army is that strong Gear2 Luffy One shoted Hajrudin so i think Bigmom just lack of Quantity not Quality in her Army.
But again it's screw up just because Luffy take more training in the Udon's prison.
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Sanji got steelwalled by a mf (Drake) weaker than the mf (Queen) weaker than King but he could blitz and shit on the dude (Oven) going blow for blow with Katakuri
"Katakuri = King"
And I stand here and watch yall continue to say they should be equal when nothing in the series says so
We don't even know if they've met yet and yall act like they're sparring partners
"Katakuri = King"
And I stand here and watch yall continue to say they should be equal when nothing in the series says so
We don't even know if they've met yet and yall act like they're sparring partners
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Dude basically ended the careers of like 90% of Katakuri fanboys.
Perospero would scale above the Zoan Tobiroppo, were it not for the fact that the Zoan Tobiroppo > Awakened Katakuri, so it'd break scaling.
So for now Pero can only scale above Base Tobiroppo.
Agreed
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While Zoro wank can really get out of hand, at least some of it has merit since he's fought and damaged a top tier, plus did stuff like momentarily hold back a Yonko tag team attack. Also, Oda kinda blatantly encourages people to wank Zoro, so that's not entirely the fans' fault lol.
I won't even comment on Sanji wank,
DaMonkeMan
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Sanji is such a weird character
Dude got his leg bone cracked by Vergo who got loldiffed by Law, who had a slight struggle against Smoker, who Vergo clapped.
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If only everyone Reddit understood this. Some of them still argue he can beat King, Marco, and even Zoro. Smh.
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Law got stronger after he got his heart and settled down
Smoker and Vergo were relative, Vergo had a small edge, and Vergo used Haki on Smoker, not on Sanji
Sanji was scared of Smoker
His scaling's fine, ppl just don't understand it
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Yep.
Btw, any idea how Law got somehow stronger from Punk Hazard to Dressrosa for no reason at all?
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Maybe narratively, but going by feats he isn't on par with them at all.
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This.
Dude drew blood from the top tier titan himself.
I withdrew my claim since King pointed out that Kata is Oven-level fodder.
WrongIdea21
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I disagree with the Idea that Oven hurt Katakuri as the main counter argument, The tobiroppo also was confident to fight the Calamities commander, they should have a power for dealing damage.
Vut again we lack of proof.
DaMonkeMan
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Sanji wasn't scared of Smoker lol. Imagine being scared of someone with this track record:
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Haki growth and plot
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"Confident" confidence scaling is shit. They were arrogant
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Most of the time it is indeed shit, it can really only be used when the confident guy has seen their targets power (such as seeing someone else get clobbered by it) and yet still be willing to fight them.
And even then, there are some confident ***** (like Luffy and Kid) who are so Leeroy Jenkins that they can never, ever use confidence scaling.
Just like with Sasaki and Who's-Who thinking they were strong enough to fight Jack.
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Luffy in Water 7 thought he was good enough to fight Aokiji
