I 'lashed out' at you because you claimed that shockwaves could put Sanji down despite us literally just having a page conversation about how Sanji can easily regenerate from it, or just endure it as he and people with less impressive endurance than him has done before.
The funniest example is Kizaru thinking he can stop 2 Emperors and their crews at once
You responded by posting an image of him taking a shockwave... and then coughing up blood and being repelled.
Which is why I said he and Kid are 2 people who can never use that scaling.
Tbf, Kizaru does have dura neg (which is why he beat BM in that one vs thread).The funniest example is Kizaru thinking he can stop 2 Emperors and their crews at once
And these Admiral fans really think he was gonna basically turn into Zoro from this pic:
I didn't think I had to post the scan on him getting up right after and oneshotting the dude that used the shockwave. I thought you read the manga, but I guess being literate isn't very common among One Piece fans nowadays.
They should remove that now that we know he can't beat her.
Too bad he can't one shot Marco. P.S., Marco's shockwave is much stronger than the shockwave that dude from Skypiea used.
Okay? Sanji still has endurance high enough to endure having ****** up internal organs and bones + he now has regen, so I have no idea why you keep on bringing up these shockwaves. It's so braindead.
Thats not the point? I'm saying that despite having his insides turned to mush, he was still able to get up right after and use powerful attacks. A shockwave from Marco isn't putting him down. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this to you in order for you to finally understand.
Agreed, Soul-Amped BM likely stomps.
Convenient you mention the word braindead- that may be what Sanji is after Marco hits him with his shockwave ball. BTW didn't Sanji try to get rid of his regen by smashing the raid suit and simply fighting normally ( though he did use his exoskeleton to his advantage to take down Queen )?
Ah... so interesting.. they only mentioned his bones being broken and nothing about his organs being ruptured from the attack.. perhaps I read it wrong or Oda just forgot to mention his mashed up organs? smh Oda is such a hack..
Well you see, when you suffer a blow to the cranium, it damages your brain and thus affects your thinking.
She might not even need to amp her soul. She could still stand and brag after Law electrified her organs. She's so terrifying..
How about Page1 send Sanji with RS flying meanhwile Sanji casually block King's Kick?
Meanwhile King stopped him and made him crash into a wall with his beak while Sanji had the RS on.
I didn't mention organs. I said insides. Bones are part of Sanji's insides.
He has already gotten hit with shockwaves directly to the face, and he got up right after with no brain damage and being able to function perfectly.
Usopp running away in fear from an attack defeating people stronger than him ≠ People full of themselves thinking they could beat people stronger
Agreed.
Bones are nothing, we've seen bones get broken and people still enduring it easily. Usopp even does that. I'm saying what if he gets a shockwave to his head? Also you keep posting that panel of the dude from skypiea who's shockwaves definitely aren't as strong as Marco's. Though I suppose you're right that he easily withstood the one from the skypiea guy.
Yes, it's a different case King catch Sanji with his beak King not send Sanji flying but he push Sanji to the tower. Diffrent.
What does strength have to do with anything??? They're dura neg shockwaves that both destroy the insides.
Law just grows stronger after each fight like Straw Hats do. We're even seeing proof of that in his first Post-Big Mom fight.
Why do you think Sanji could beat Marco anyway?
Yeah, people would scared for facing the enemy when they know what the capable of. Luffy is confident fight Kaido without knowing how to damage Kaido bodies. He got 1 one hit knoked out by Kaido, Later on in Udon Luffy fell unconfident fighting Kaido if he doesn't mastered the Dura Neg.
It's kinda confirmed that they haven't seen each other in a very long time, so yeah, nah
Base Sanji with no amps is already faster than all versions of Marco. Add that on top of his better usage of Kenbun, higher skill, higher durability, regen and endurance that he can use to counter shockwaves, Buso that can negate his regen, Flames that when they hit (FRB they will hit when he counters) would do good damage, battle smarts good enough to read patterns and fight accordingly, Sanji should be able to cleanly win.
Based on?
Not necessarily. Marco only blows away flames when he uses blue flames to smother them. That happening is quite low as Sanji is primarily a counter fighter and already has vastly superior speed.
Sanji can just regen or just dodge.
How long that they haven't seen each other because Drake is in Kaido's Army for 2 years?
Did you just say that as if Akainu didn't actively counter a flame user (Ace)? Do you think Sanji's flames are hotter than literal magma? You gotta be ******** me. Why am I always up against these types of Sanji fans?
Proof that Akainu's magma is hotter than Sanji's fire?
I don't think heat of Sanji's fire is the main case of Marco fighting Sanji, because Marco can simply absorb the fire.
Marco was fast enough to intercept beams from Kizaru in a short amount of time, and Kizaru's attack was nearly at it's destination too.
Doesn't have higher skill, that's just headcanon.
There isn't much Sanji can do though. He's a close range fighter, he's gonna have to get in close to land hits, but that's dangerous since Marco can counter his flames and strike back. Marco also has the advantage of being far more mobile in air.
It's pretty obvious Akainu's magma is hotter than his fire. Akainu can vaporize metal with his ambient heat and easily put holes in people who can withstand Ace's flames and still move after. For example, Jinbe fought Ace for 5 days, but he couldn't stay conscious for much longer after Akainu punched a hole in him. Akainu always melts people who get touched by his magma, but Sanji couldn't do that to Queen.
again they never mentioned his organs being crunched, only his bones.
Sanji's calc is higher than that feat was calced at. Also, Sanji has a much higher scaling chain speed-wise than MarcoMarco was fast enough to intercept beams from Kizaru in a short amount of time, and Kizaru's attack was nearly at it's destination too.
Name a single skill feat from Marco that is at the very least comparable to Sanji's feats.
Dude what? We just settled this with endurance and regen.
Not in character to do, Sanji would keep regenerating, and this is all assuming these shockwave spams would even hit him. The shockwave attack Marco used was Phoenix Brand, which is a projectile. Is there proof that Marco can spam that? Sanji would just easily see these coming as he did with Queen's beams.
As much as I'd like to say that this is a valid argument, this is Sanji we're talking about. He excels in countering, hitting weak spots, and finding openings/patterns when fighting close. This isn't dangerous for him at all. In fact, this is his strong suit, while Marco is more suited for fighting at mid-range and using his mobility to his advantage. If Sanji gets close, it'd be better for him than for Marco.
Fair, but Sanji is no slouch in the air either. It's his forté after all.
The ambient heat that PTS Luffy withstood? A stronger and logically higher heat resistance Luffy got burned by WCI Sanji's Diable Jambe. WCI Diable Jambe > Akainu's ambient heat.
Pretty sure that's mostly an AP feat.
I can do the same thing with Sanji. Sanji used Diable Jambe for the majority of his fight with Queen, and it couldn't even penetrate his hide. When Sanji used Ifrit Jambe, Queen wasn't able to stay conscious.
Not going to touch on this as I already did before. Read above if you haven't.
We didn't even see their fight and wether King used Haki or not. Sanji and Marco both have 4 layers of Buso Haki, so as the wiki stands right now, he'd be able to negate Marco's regen to some extent.
Marco has an ambigious slight physical strength advantage over Sanji, but it shouldn't be too much of an issue.
Skill ≠ Experience. They are related and could feed into each other but at the end of the day, they are not the same.
His fights with the Admirals
All these pictures you're giving me are ones of him still being injured badly by these attacks, though. If the attack is strong enough he's likely to still die, that's what it seems like right now.
