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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Once the Wano revision is done, I expect.
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On another subject, could King beat Big Mom?
Or if he'd fought Kid and/or Law instead of BM, would he have won?
Lastly, I have concerns about Kid and Law scaling in AP to Big Mom (dura is fine considering how many hits they tanked from her):
1. Weren't all of Law's attacks that hurt her just durability negation?
2. Did Kid actually do any real damage that wasn't just slamming her into the ground (which is just Lifting Strength)?
He wasn't even the one who broke her arms, that was Law's durability negation attack according to BM herself.
Or if he'd fought Kid and/or Law instead of BM, would he have won?
Lastly, I have concerns about Kid and Law scaling in AP to Big Mom (dura is fine considering how many hits they tanked from her):
1. Weren't all of Law's attacks that hurt her just durability negation?
2. Did Kid actually do any real damage that wasn't just slamming her into the ground (which is just Lifting Strength)?
He wasn't even the one who broke her arms, that was Law's durability negation attack according to BM herself.
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Yall better make sure whoever makes the profile doesn't say "father of Momonosuke".
But I'll explain it for the people in the back. And when I say "Yamato's delusion", I don't mean the gender identity for the people who wanna ban me for speaking.
Yamato identifies as Oden. This isn't a "Oden persona". He has adopted the identity of Oden and has assimilated his existence into his own. He thinks of himself as simultaneously the child of Kaidou and the parent of Momonosuke. If Toki was alive, Yamato would think of her as his wife. He explains to Luffy that he uses those pronouns because Oden used those pronouns. Yamato doesn't even address himself as Yamato first anymore. He says "I'm Oden, also known as Yamato".
Luffy enforces this and does an amazing job. He calls him "Yamabro" or "Yamao" to combine the fact that he's Yamato and a "male" in the sense of being Oden.
Onigashima's people called him the Oni Princess. People who first see him calls him Kaidou's daughter and he doesn't care. Before the enforcement of the beliefs that he's Kaidou's son, they call him the Oni Princess repeatedly.
The reason Kaidou calls Yamato his son and follows his pronouns is because he sees Yamato as Oden, and believes that Yamato should get the same punishments and same treatment that Oden has. This is why everyone addresses Yamato as "Master Yamato" and "Kaidou's son". This is why in their fight, Kaidou says "if you want to be Oden, you need to get your ass beat like Oden".
The bathing example is just a portrayal of why he's delusional. Momonosuke, who understands his identity first hand, is confused on why he's in the men's bath, yet he was raised around Kiku, a transgender, and has no issue with Kiku being in the women's bath.
We already know about Oda's view on it. Oda calls Yamato a woman. Oda calls Yamato the ogre princess. Oda uses female pronouns for Yamato. Oda's title card of Yamato is "Daughter of Kaidou, self proclaimed Kozuki Oden".
This isn't death of the author. This is the author enforcing his beliefs.
Luffy enforces this and does an amazing job. He calls him "Yamabro" or "Yamao" to combine the fact that he's Yamato and a "male" in the sense of being Oden.
Onigashima's people called him the Oni Princess. People who first see him calls him Kaidou's daughter and he doesn't care. Before the enforcement of the beliefs that he's Kaidou's son, they call him the Oni Princess repeatedly.
The reason Kaidou calls Yamato his son and follows his pronouns is because he sees Yamato as Oden, and believes that Yamato should get the same punishments and same treatment that Oden has. This is why everyone addresses Yamato as "Master Yamato" and "Kaidou's son". This is why in their fight, Kaidou says "if you want to be Oden, you need to get your ass beat like Oden".
The bathing example is just a portrayal of why he's delusional. Momonosuke, who understands his identity first hand, is confused on why he's in the men's bath, yet he was raised around Kiku, a transgender, and has no issue with Kiku being in the women's bath.
We already know about Oda's view on it. Oda calls Yamato a woman. Oda calls Yamato the ogre princess. Oda uses female pronouns for Yamato. Oda's title card of Yamato is "Daughter of Kaidou, self proclaimed Kozuki Oden".
This isn't death of the author. This is the author enforcing his beliefs.
So the issue now isn't Yamato's pronouns. The issue is Yamato's delusions of being Oden.
Will Kozuki Oden be one of his names? Will Kozuki Oden be an alias? When we say people fought him, do we say they fought Kozuki Oden? Are we gonna make him another key of Oden?
Like are we gonna accept his pronouns but not his identity as Oden? He identifies himself as Oden more than he identifies himself as Yamato. Does gender identity get accepted but person identity get declined? Because not addressing Yamato as Oden would be bullying too by these standards.
Sorry, but this is something that needs to be discussed.
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King, you said whatever words I wanted to say and I am glad people understand what is the point of Yamato saying that he is Oden
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Pretty sure I gave a whole list of all the times Kid damaged her on this very thread.
Countershock isn't.
He cracked her ribs.
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I know you're being a bit hyperbolic with some of these to make a point, but I think it should be obvious to anyone that Yamato's statistics aren't just going to be included as another key on Oden's profile, if that is what you mean.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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That would be the best joke ever to be honest
But now talking seriously, that is dumb as hell
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Yeah that's true, but my point is what is the limit we're going with this?
This isn't gender fluidiy. This is literally a combination of peoples' identity.
I personally believe Oda's very clear on this, which is why I was angry when LibraryOfOhara Artur tried to say it was Oda's fault for the community's misunderstanding.
But what's the extent we go with this?
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Well, I don't think we need to take things too far and it's okay to be respectful of the concept of gender here without going all the way into complete fiction in other areas.
Does Yamato identify as male? That's more than arguable since Yamato said "I became a man", bathes in the men-only area, and refers to themselves as a "son".
Does Yamato identify as Oden? Partially. Yamato calls themselves Oden, but states several non-factual statements about themselves like being Momonosuke's father. However Yamato also identifies themselves as Kaido's son and Oden was not Kaido's son. So clearly even if Yamato professes to be Oden sometimes, this is not something objective about themselves or constant.
Things that are downright not true like Yamato being Momonosuke's father don't even need to be considered for being mentioned. We'll just ignore it. Yamato self-proclaiming themselves as Oden? That can be mentioned because it's a name, not a blood relationship.
Our profiles don't even have a section for aliases at present, so we should just add that to the "Name" section after Yamato's name.
Does Yamato identify as male? That's more than arguable since Yamato said "I became a man", bathes in the men-only area, and refers to themselves as a "son".
Does Yamato identify as Oden? Partially. Yamato calls themselves Oden, but states several non-factual statements about themselves like being Momonosuke's father. However Yamato also identifies themselves as Kaido's son and Oden was not Kaido's son. So clearly even if Yamato professes to be Oden sometimes, this is not something objective about themselves or constant.
Things that are downright not true like Yamato being Momonosuke's father don't even need to be considered for being mentioned. We'll just ignore it. Yamato self-proclaiming themselves as Oden? That can be mentioned because it's a name, not a blood relationship.
Our profiles don't even have a section for aliases at present, so we should just add that to the "Name" section after Yamato's name.
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I'm ngl
I don't even think this is a gender identity issue.
Yamato probably believes that he has a penis.
I don't even think this is a gender identity issue.
Yamato probably believes that he has a penis.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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This is bordeline Baki imagination power, you believe something and is real
OP becoming more OP
OP becoming more OP
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Humans.
Could never be us
Could never be us
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Would it be possible to see this list?
Like a link or something?
How so? Law's entire thing was bypassing Big Mom's durability to make her bleed.
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I don’t want to get dragged into this, but it seems strange to change the pronouns of Yamato when she doesn’t even want to be a man, Yamato just wants to be Oden because she is a fan. Yamato basically parades around as Oden. Sanji and Brook literally still have their gags around her, as does Momonosuke. This isn’t like Kiku which was clear cut. This is my only comment on this.
Also, I get that this isn’t coming from this wiki, but from Fandom. But the way this speech is being monitored would actually lead to Yamato being discussed less for fear of being banned or retaliated against.
Also, I get that this isn’t coming from this wiki, but from Fandom. But the way this speech is being monitored would actually lead to Yamato being discussed less for fear of being banned or retaliated against.
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If you don't identify me as a monkey, I'll ban you. In something.
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"So I chose to be a man too." - Yamato
Why would Yamato refer to themselves as Kaido's son if he just wanted to be Oden? Oden wasn't Kaido's son.
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Did oden every identify himself as being a man? cuz if not, yamato do be assuming
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HerePunk Gibson bruised her face:
Punk Corna Dio broke her ribs:
Damned Punk had her bleeding from her mouth and nose:
Alongside Kroom Punk Clash made Big Mom feel more pain than she had in decades:
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Appreciate it, bro.
But how is Counter shock not just bypassing durability? That was Law's whole thing against her.
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The same panel the literal author introduces her as "Kaido's DAUGHTER" mmmmmmmmmmm
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That isn't being ignored. Yamato's wiki page has a detailed section on Gender where that is mentioned.
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"The reasons for these discrepancies have not been addressed. Given the points listed above, however, this wiki will refer to Yamato as male as the official translations do."
i mean...summed up, they're basically ignoring it. "we dont know so we're going with male."
There's literally the option of they/them since the op wiki quite literally addresses japanese cultural distinictions that don't carry over to other cultures.
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Two of the "details" there is flat out wrong too- Luffy calls Yamato "Yama-o" (Yama-guy/Yama-bro) yet Yamato shows clear distaste at being called that.
He's forcing the "son" on Yamato for his own ends. And what Yamato is doing is flat out identity theft to the point of being "Momo's father".
That's not grounds for choosing one or the other then?? "They" would've been an okay in-between until the author clears it up.
I frankly do not care what this wiki decides for Yamato's pronouns, I just don't want it to get to the point of bans and greater controversy if someone calls the character something someone else doesn't. You're right if you say "he" because the pages say so. Yamato can identify as a sea cucumber and I'm cool with it all the same.
You're right if you say "she" because the author/narrator says so. That's my opinion at least (and the last one regarding the character. I'll call'em whatever the rest do when the page is made)
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It's funny whenever issues of gender come up, people sometimes resort to extremes in their examples like "identify as a sea cucumber" or an attack helicopter, or whatever. I know that you probably don't mean anything by it, but that kind of stuff is exactly the type of language that transphobes use to dismiss trans people.
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No that's Sasaki
And I only use that as a joke. Too often irl, because of this living eternally in my head.
Dunno what context you saw it in but I blame Luffy because he'd make an awesome sea cucumber.
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Humans.
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So… How about that airline food
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Airplane food is good
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I haven't eaten many airplane meals, I tend to eat the pre made sandwiches I make to my flights. But the one's I have eaten are not bad at all.
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I gotta say, airplane food has improved a bit, bit it’s certainly nothing gourmet
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It’s chill food
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depends on what airline you're flying tbh. some are garbage, some are decent, others don't even give food lol
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I wanna go back to when they gave peanuts smh
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might accidentally kill some people with a peanut allergy
airplane pretzels were always bussin for some reason
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Spy x Family Opening intensifies*
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And here we were saying it's nothing gourmet
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1. Dude, I said this earlier and everyone ignored me.
Big Sad.
2. Air France has amazing food!
