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One Piece General Discussion: Egghead

I was talking about this on Discord earlier, what if Zoro gets injured beating Mihawk in the Cross Guild fight, and Koby has to sub in to fight Kuzan? I still like the Davy Back fight idea, but I want this to be some crazy shit. I know a lot of this probably won't happen, but imagine:


Luffy vs BB: BB Takes away his powers, at least temporarily, and shoots him, Luffy is down, trapped in a structure made of pure darkness, where Teach can transform at will and Teach laughs as Luffy bleeds, but Luffy laughs too, blows away his darkness with a Haki burst, finishing him off with a regular-ass punch to the gut, or something else crazy.

Koby vs Kuzan: The two of them just absolutely box each other 1-on-1, Kuzan's beating him down, gets him frozen up, Koby laughs, then whips out his COC or whatever to win.

Sanji vs Shiryu: More invisibility vs Sanji... sigh. Draws on the themes of imprisonment in Sanji's life, and a stealthy(Stealth Black), Nazi-looking guy(Germa), in black(Raid Suit) who turns invisible(Special Ability) is kind of the way his life could've gone. Furthermore, Shiryu has a storm theme, and Sanji's using fire. Plus, imagine at the start of the fight, Sanji's like "want a light?" and then kicks the front of his cigar to light it on fire. Shiryu does some wacky shit to mess up his senses, laughs as he torments him, but Sanji also laughs, then just straight up murders him with some AOE shit. The fruit goes to a nearby tree, but he chooses not to take it.

Jinbe vs Burgess: Starts as a melee/wrestling match between the two, but Jinbe uses his tactics, skills, and powers to outplay his opponent's strength. Burgess has him pinned, goes to punch, and laughs, but Jinbe laughs too, then does some goated Jinbe shit, uses some advanced stance, turns his strength against him, and wipes him off the map with some new Fishman move.

Usopp vs Van Augur: They're on a group of rock-based islands in the ocean, Van Augur's teleporting around on some rocks, Usopp accidentally blows up one of his Pop Green things in his face, temporarily blinding himself, then starts shooting pieces of ammunition, seemingly chosen at random, at the rocks as Augur teleports place-to-place, eyes closed, predicting where he lands ahead of time, despite Augur using a nonlinear method of motion, seemingly random as well, to avoid the attacks, each of which poses a serious threat to him. When there's only one left, Augur appears, crouched, behind Usopp, gun to his head, and laughs, talking about how Usopp was a worthy opponent and such, and Usopp laughs. Augur pulls the trigger, and the gun explodes. Usopp planted a Pop Green in his own hair with that powder beforehand, and a vine's been creeping up the gun barrel since it made contact. Augur tries to get away, but every bit of nearby land is either destroyed or trapped, and he plummets into the sea.

Chopper vs Doc Q: They're slinging diseases and cures at each other, until, at one point, Brain Point, Monster Point, or Awakened Chopper lands a hit that slams something into Doc Q's face, knocking him to the ground, where he's sitting there, broken. All of a sudden, Doc Q looks around, and laughs. Chopper laughs too, and Doc Q looks at his body. He's not sick anymore. Chopper cured his incurable disease, proving he can cure anything, and as such, Doc Q has lost the fight.

Now, you may be saying "But SlendVeny, there's still 5 Blackbeard Pirates and 4 Straw Hats!" No. Either Vivi, a character won in a possible Davy Back fight, or someone else shall arrive. However, I have 2 matchups we need imo.

First, Brook vs Laffitte. Iirc, Laffitte is named for a pirate who faked his death. There's a theory that Laffitte's a former Rocks Pirate who faked his death and took a new identity. If he hasn't aged in that long, there's a chance he doesn't age normally, possibly due to his DF, which I believe to be angel-related. If he is that old, I want Brook to recognize him from back in the day(Maybe he faked his death twice. If Oda gets high off his ass, he might make him Yorki). No idea how Laffitte would fight.

Next, I cannot express enough how much more devoted I am getting to my Kaijuu Crusher Franky theory. Imagine that shit tussling 1v1 vs Wolf or Pizzarro.
 
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Fire Colorings

Mihawk serph has red x Green eyes

Boa serph has green x black eyes

This probably because of their green blood or something
 
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I just remembered that Greenbull's chest tattoo is apparently a reference to a specific story.

From what I can find online, it's a story in which an older prostitute, not wanting to die alone, but contemplating death due to poverty and lack of clientele, convinces a stupid money-lender type of man to kill himself beside her. He changes his mind, but she pushes him into a river, and just before throwing herself in, she receives news that leads to her changing her mind.

The man is left to drown, but a fisherman tells him he can just stand up. He goes to his boss's house, but everyone there is illegally gambling. They mistake him for a government official and run, except for one man. Everyone praises this man, but he just can't stand.

I believe Oda remarked on how he must have a very tragic backstory due to this. I personally think there was a lovers' suicide thing, but he ****** it up so bad he lived and it looked like he was the murderer.
 


Have Dragon and Luffy, father and son, ever spent time together?

Isn't this answer just... No? Unless Oda brings up Dragon saving him 🤔

Or he adds something within timeskip or when luffy interacted with him but didn't know him
 
Doesn't this just nuke, One piece Speed scaling?
Why is it that anytime Oda displays light speed as being fast, someone comes out and asks this

Not really. We literally have multiple instances in Egghead of people reacting to, intercepting, and dodging Speed of Light attacks.

As well as the fact that Kizaru himself can explicitly move faster than light when serious.
 
Doesn't this just nuke, One piece Speed scaling?
Nope. Oda isn't literally saying that the person who did this feat moved at light speed. He's using a figure of speech to allude to it being Kizaru to gave Luffy the food, hence why he said 'at the speed of light that even the naked eye can't see.' It's a similar statement to Oda saying that someone would need to duck at the speed of light in order to dodge Enel's attack or someone moving "lightning quick". It just means that person needed to move very quickly.
 
Man I ******* hate how annoying this fandom can be when it comes to powerscaling
I typically don't care if someone has a particularly bad take, but there's been a huge influx in downplay towards Luffy because of his performance on Egghead, which is weird. I honestly don't see a problem with it. He wasn't very impressive against Kizaru, but that's to be expected, because he wasn't even going all out and neither was Kizaru. Wasn't a real fight.
Besides, he still KOed Lucci easily (low diffed him at the most) and he had the upper hand against Saturn as well. Considering that they weren't really supposed to be fighting for most of the arc, he did fine.
I just don't see why people are trying to clown on the MC of the manga and try to portray him as a weakling that's below the other Yonko or the Admirals, if that were the case then why would Oda make him a Yonko in the first place? Why have multiple people hype him and call him strong? Makes no sense.
 
Nope. Oda isn't literally saying that the person who did this feat moved at light speed. He's using a figure of speech to allude to it being Kizaru to gave Luffy the food, hence why he said 'at the speed of light that even the naked eye can't see.' It's a similar statement to Oda saying that someone would need to duck at the speed of light in order to dodge Enel's attack or someone moving "lightning quick". It just means that person needed to move very quickly.
Also with the fact that everyone is paying attention to Saturn and are stuck

More of a good stealth than anything else

(He did the same thing to gear 5 with his clones)
 
Man I ******* hate how annoying this fandom can be when it comes to powerscaling
I typically don't care if someone has a particularly bad take, but there's been a huge influx in downplay towards Luffy because of his performance on Egghead, which is weird. I honestly don't see a problem with it. He wasn't very impressive against Kizaru, but that's to be expected, because he wasn't even going all out and neither was Kizaru. Wasn't a real fight.
Besides, he still KOed Lucci easily (low diffed him at the most) and he had the upper hand against Saturn as well. Considering that they weren't really supposed to be fighting for most of the arc, he did fine.
I just don't see why people are trying to clown on the MC of the manga and try to portray him as a weakling that's below the other Yonko or the Admirals, if that were the case then why would Oda make him a Yonko in the first place? Why have multiple people hype him and call him strong? Makes no sense.
90% of One Piece powerscaling is just agenda wars.
 
90% of One Piece powerscaling is just agenda wars.
I'm aware of that, I still think it's just really stupid for people to try and slander the main character of the manga. And as far as I know this doesn't really happen with other mangas. For example Dragon Ball fans don't slander Goku a lot, Bleach fans don't slander Ichigo, etc. I think it's specifically a problem with the one piece fandom, and it may just be a combination of agendas as well as Oda not being as clear about the powerscaling as other authors are.
 
I'm aware of that, I still think it's just really stupid for people to try and slander the main character of the manga. And as far as I know this doesn't really happen with other mangas. For example Dragon Ball fans don't slander Goku a lot, Bleach fans don't slander Ichigo, etc. I think it's specifically a problem with the one piece fandom, and it may just be a combination of agendas as well as Oda not being as clear about the powerscaling as other authors are.
It's all Admirals fans. The moment Luffy became a Yonkou, they had to hate him.

There's a sizable number of people who read the manga and just hate Oda.
 
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It's all Admirals fans. The moment Luffy became a Yonkou, they had to hate him.

There's a sizable number of people who read the manha and just hate Oda.
Also Zoro fans. They want him to be stronger than Luffy.
There's this one guy on Worstgen who thinks that Zoro is the representative of power while Luffy represents fame and Nami represents wealth (a reference to the speech about Roger obtaining everything), so Zoro has to be the strongest in the crew because of that.
It's hilariously stupid.
 
That site is a circlejerk. Zoro fans there go crazy everytime Sanji uses Ifrit Jambe lol.

First when he used it to help push back Mars, you couldn't move for "Ifrit Jambe Hell Memories is fodder", "Imagine if it was a King of Hell Ashura attack, Luffy would be dead", "Franky level"

Then in Elbaph against the Cat he got cooked, and on the Iron Net.
 
That site is a circlejerk. Zoro fans there go crazy everytime Sanji uses Ifrit Jambe lol.

First when he used it to help push back Mars, you couldn't move for "Ifrit Jambe Hell Memories is fodder", "Imagine if it was a King of Hell Ashura attack, Luffy would be dead", "Franky level"

Then in Elbaph against the Cat he got cooked, and on the Iron Net.
Meanwhile Zoro with CoC disfunction who hasn't used it since 😂
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/s obviously, but those in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones.
 
That site is a circlejerk. Zoro fans there go crazy everytime Sanji uses Ifrit Jambe lol.

First when he used it to help push back Mars, you couldn't move for "Ifrit Jambe Hell Memories is fodder", "Imagine if it was a King of Hell Ashura attack, Luffy would be dead", "Franky level"

Then in Elbaph against the Cat he got cooked, and on the Iron Net.
Yeah I didn't get the slander towards IJ just because he used it a lot. They also said the cat recovered quickly which was a L for Sanji but like, they forgot that Zoro and Luffy also attacked it.
The IJ Hell Memories thing was indeed weird though. I guess you can just chalk it up to Luffy being a very tough cookie against blunt attacks as per usual. After all not even Kizaru's incredibly fast kick could do much damage to him.
 
I guess Mihawk was referring to fame when he said that becoming the Pirate King is more difficult than becoming the strongest swordsman.
Jokes aside, that actually probably does have to do with how it's not just power. Mihawk is the one who gave us that info about Luffy's charisma
 
I always interpreted it as him meaning it's just more difficult. To become the WSS, you just need to become a god tier, specifically one above people like Mihawk and Shanks. That is definitely very hard to do, but it's the only thing you need to do to become the WSS. Becoming the Pirate King requires:
Being a top/god tier
Having a strong crew
Having a good navigator
Having a good helmsman
Having someone who can read road poneglyphs
Collecting said road poneglyphs (which is even harder now that the fourth one is missing)
So on and so forth
 
I always interpreted it as him meaning it's just more difficult. To become the WSS, you just need to become a god tier, specifically one above people like Mihawk and Shanks. That is definitely very hard to do, but it's the only thing you need to do to become the WSS. Becoming the Pirate King requires:
Being a top/god tier
Having a strong crew
Having a good navigator
Having a good helmsman
Having someone who can read road poneglyphs
Collecting said road poneglyphs (which is even harder now that the fourth one is missing)
So on and so forth
Oda was cooking when he said Sakazuki could become Pirate King in 1 year then

Red Dog really became WSS as a side mission years ago and handed the title over to Mihawk out of courtesy 🥺 my generous goat

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Can't see the link, but the thing about being Pirate King is you can't do it alone. It's inherently more dangerous because you need a good crew and to fight more people.
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This is still an L take because Zoro is Luffy first mate, meaning that stuff applies to and is inclusive of Zoro. But, I can see where you're coming from, so I won't dox your family this time.
 
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Oda was cooking when he said Sakazuki could become Pirate King in 1 year then

Red Dog really became WSS as a side mission years ago and handed the title over to Mihawk out of courtesy 🥺 my generous goat

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I know you're joking and I don't want to be the guy who's like "Achshually, erm...", but he just meant the manga wouldn't last long because people wouldn't be interested in Sakazuki stomping the East Blue and Grand Line villains
 
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This is still an L take because Zoro is Luffy first mate, meaning that stuff applies to and is inclusive of Zoro. But, I can see where you're coming from, so I won't dox your family this time.
Yeah? Zoro's primary goal isn't to be the second strongest member of the Pirate King's crew.
 
I don't see the relevance of your point. Also, you're talking about two things that are true at the same time here, so it's not like this contradicts anything.
 
Koby vs Kuzan: The two of them just absolutely box each other 1-on-1, Kuzan's beating him down, gets him frozen up, Koby laughs, then whips out his COC or whatever to win.
I would find it very unlikely that Kuzan would fight seriously against Koby since he respects and admires Garp and most likely would not want to kill the boy that his master believes to be the future of the Marines. Kuzan certainly has ulterior motives as a pirate, he is not evil or a true villain.

I wish Oda would give us a chance to see the duel between Akainu and Aokiji, but that probably won't happen, however seeing a rematch is possible. I don't have a crystal ball but I would like in the future for both of them to fight to the death as eternal rivals (Or Aokiji would come out on top and take over as Fleet Admiral at the end of the manga).
 
Man I ******* hate how annoying this fandom can be when it comes to powerscaling
I typically don't care if someone has a particularly bad take, but there's been a huge influx in downplay towards Luffy because of his performance on Egghead, which is weird. I honestly don't see a problem with it. He wasn't very impressive against Kizaru, but that's to be expected, because he wasn't even going all out and neither was Kizaru. Wasn't a real fight.
Besides, he still KOed Lucci easily (low diffed him at the most) and he had the upper hand against Saturn as well. Considering that they weren't really supposed to be fighting for most of the arc, he did fine.
I just don't see why people are trying to clown on the MC of the manga and try to portray him as a weakling that's below the other Yonko or the Admirals, if that were the case then why would Oda make him a Yonko in the first place? Why have multiple people hype him and call him strong? Makes no sense.
It's just the admiral agenda/fans on Twitter... They think they are "helping" OP by spreading as much bs and misinformation to get attraction/something to talk about and or for self benefit clout

Like they are actual trolls. For me it's just sad to look at, Only puts OP in a bad light when it comes to America and One Piece
 
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